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Some People Call Fate/Stay Night a Hentai Game, Is This True?

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Hard to know considering how vague the definition of hentai is in english. As for my understanding of it, it seems people generally consider the sex scenes forced in and I would assume it doesn't overall effect that much though since I haven't read it I can't say for sure.

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There are sexual and non-sexual versions of the game.  However, the sexual content in even the ero-versions is so low that calling it a true hentai game is pushing the definition a bit far. 

Edit:  Sorry, I should elaborate.  Essentially, my take on this is that 'hentai' to otaku media is the same as 'porn' is to movies.  While the term 'eroge' encompasses FSN definitively (since eroge means any VN with erotic content at all), the term 'hentai' does not, because it would falsely indicate that the H content is the focus and majority of the content.

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Do you think that lessens the story ability?

to be quite honest, it's a fucking miracle I'm still around playing VNs after actually reading and not skipping through that one first sex scene in FSN as my first h-scene ever. it's that low quality.

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7 hours ago, MaggieROBOT said:

to be quite honest, it's a fucking miracle I'm still around playing VNs after actually reading and not skipping through that one first sex scene in FSN as my first h-scene ever. it's that low quality.

It is extremely poor quality. I kind of worded the post in a way to see what people might have to say from authoritative point of view, but in reality I also played FSN. Although it didn't bother me too much; my eyes just kinda glazed over and I went "Oh, we're doing this now I guess."

 

I wanted to stir discussion on the subject because I've seen lately that visual novels have been getting more mainstream talk (as mainstream as anime talk gets, that is) and the sentiment repeated over and over is basically visual novel = hentai game. It's pretty asinine, and I wonder if anyone else has experience with this.

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5 hours ago, Optimistic;Nihlist said:

It is extremely poor quality. I kind of worded the post in a way to see what people might have to say from authoritative point of view, but in reality I also played FSN. Although it didn't bother me too much; my eyes just kinda glazed over and I went "Oh, we're doing this now I guess."

 

I wanted to stir discussion on the subject because I've seen lately that visual novels have been getting more mainstream talk (as mainstream as anime talk gets, that is) and the sentiment repeated over and over is basically visual novel = hentai game. It's pretty asinine, and I wonder if anyone else has experience with this.

It's a viewpoint that actually has a point when it comes to JVNs.  Most JVNs, whether charage or nukige, can be considered to be focused on sex, so they can also be considered to be hentai games.  I make a careful distinction because I want to be as precise as possible... and because we don't call all movies that have bed scenes porno.  However, if someone were to say that most charage and all nukige are hentai games, I wouldn't be able to deny it, since the ratio of sexual content to normal content in a nukige is identical to that of a porno movie.  With charage, it varies from game to game, but I've encountered charage that I could have considered to be CG porno. 

In addition, asking the average person to make that kind of hair-splitting distinction is unrealistic at best, arrogantly overbearing at worst.  This is like the old knee-jerk reactions most anime fans from my generation have when someone calls anime cartoons, lol.

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Even if it has low sexual content, from the way h-scenes are written and from the ecchi fanservice buildup to them, i'm willing to call VNs with H content hentai games. For Fate/Stay Night specifically, i wouldn't dismiss it entirely as a h-game because there is a non-h version. Maybe that issue could be completely cleared if Realta Nua got a proper localization. *hint hint*

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8 minutes ago, onorub said:

Even if it has low sexual content, from the way h-scenes are written and from the ecchi fanservice buildup to them, i'm willing to call VNs with H content hentai games. For Fate/Stay Night specifically, i wouldn't dismiss it entirely as a h-game because there is a non-h version. Maybe that issue could be completely cleared if Realta Nua got a proper localization. *hint hint*

Maybe we'll get a proper Fate/Stay Night remake with a Western release. In like 15 years. 8-10 years after they finally finish the Tsukihime one. :mare:

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I'd say it depends on your definition. Take Game of Thrones for example, I'd say that has more sexual content than many, many VNs, still it furthers its respective world and it's fitting to show (most) of it and I'd say most people wouldn't call it porn. A good VN would try to create it's scenes in a similar way, many don't however and instead get into a different writing style, play some mellow music and basically create a cheap porn scene by being shallow. I'd say FSN fell into that trap.

Still, hentai or pornographic doesn't equal bad in my opinion, the question is rather how it is used.

Monster Girl Quest is a pretty hardcore nukige, very fetishy to boot, still all its content is a logical conclusion of the world it's trying to build, same (mostly) for Funbag Fantasy and Euphoria. There are some nukige that embrace their sexual content as a way to create the world they are trying to make and that usually shows. I think these are often better received and accepted than a charage or plotge, which includes shallow porn scenes that go against the flow of the rest of the VN. It's a similar approach to GoT, though I wouldn't call it equal.

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