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I mean, I usually dislike nukige but this one seems to have a rather good and interesting plot so I don't mind it however my main concern is :

I really really hate rape in VNs, I can handle it but if it's just that then I won't enjoy it and will probably skip the H-scenes (which is dumb considering it's a nukige), I obviously expect some but is it really only non-con?

 

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There's a lot of hardcore sexual content (like this) in the VN. You need to make sure you can handle it first before you go into this (you said you disliked rape, so I'm assuming you dislike more extreme sexual content in general)

It's worth it to bear through those in my opinion. The twisted story line is pretty unique among TL-ed VNs (I don't think there's another EN one like it as of now); it's deep and interesting (kinda like the twist on the true route although not the ending itself) and thought-provoking (at least for me for Nemu and Kanae's routes).

If you can handle those sexual stuff (note: some of it do play a part in the plot and the development of it in some routes) and a plot which is darker and more twisted than most stories you will read, then you should definitely read this VN :) 

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9 minutes ago, phantomJS said:

There's a lot of hardcore sexual content (like this) in the VN. You need to make sure you can handle it first before you go into this (you said you disliked rape, so I'm assuming you dislike more extreme sexual content in general)

It's worth it to bear through those in my opinion. The twisted story line is pretty unique among TL-ed VNs (I don't think there's another EN one like it as of now); it's deep and interesting (kinda like the twist on the true route although not the ending itself) and thought-provoking (at least for me for Nemu and Kanae's routes).

If you can handle those sexual stuff (note: some of it do play a part in the plot and the development of it in some routes) and a plot which is darker and more twisted than most stories you will read, then you should definitely read this VN :) 

I agree with this. I've only explored Nemu's route but the VN is worth a read to me so far because it's actually pretty interesting and the extreme content doesn't feel like it's there just to be there.

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Most of the sex scenes are "rape". None of the characters except the mc want to be there, but they are coerced into sex to protect everyone (with Nemu it's debatable, as she has her own way of experiencing the sex scenes, as well as having a few other important points that I won't mention due to spoilers). The rapiest route is with Makiba, which lessens as the plot continues and isn't necessary for the true ending. The story actually gets more vanilla later on, but a big draw to this game is the underground game arc.

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None of the characters, including the MC, want to be there.  As for the H, I found every scene in the game utterly repellent.  Even the theoretically more vanilla scenes.  I didn't read any of them.  As for the story, it's interesting - it certainly kept me interested in finishing it.

But after I was done, I ultimately found it unsatisfying.  The story is at war with itself.  The latter half makes the most interesting aspect of the first part into an ice cream koan - undermining it and making what was interesting about it basically irrelevant.  The true ending makes very little sense.  The explanation behind the first part doesn't make any sense, either.  One character's personality and actions make sense only if you stop considering them a 'character' with believable motivations and recognize that they're a walking plot device.

Considering how highly this title was praised by those who like the dark side (Nargrakhan, etc), the fact that I wasn't overly impressed with it has convinced me to be far more selective screening dark side titles.  I'm just giving Maggot Baits a hard pass, for instance.  Nope.  Nuh-huh. Not happening.

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17 hours ago, Nandemonai said:

I'm just giving Maggot Baits a hard pass, for instance.

Well, it's supposed to be better than euphoria and this VN was already not all bad (even though I agree with all the criticism you gave here). I'm personally still very curious about it, but I guess I also never believed the hype and there was nothing I could be disappointed about. Clock Up VNs are just a curiousity to me and even if they end up being memorable for all the wrong reasons, they're at least something different... ;p

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And as a bonus, an extremely unpopular opinion from me: The longer I think about euphoria, the more convinced I am that Rika's route is my favourite, and possibly the best one in the game. Rika starts as an awful character, but thanks to that has a lot of growth potential and receives a ton of that later on. The arc shows the surreal horror of the surface parts of the story, but doesn't go into all those dumb explanations for it (cool mystery >>>> stupid reveals). And the creepy Stockholm syndrome aspect of it all is only fitting considering the primary theme of the underground parts - Makina is the perfect counterpart to the protagonist, drawing out his worst instincts and confronting him with them, and in the end they both receive redemption of sorts. In a way, it stays most fateful to the psychological horror aspects of the game.

 

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10 hours ago, Nandemonai said:

But after I was done, I ultimately found it unsatisfying.  The story is at war with itself.  The latter half makes the most interesting aspect of the first part into an ice cream koan - undermining it and making what was interesting about it basically irrelevant.  The true ending makes very little sense.  The explanation behind the first part doesn't make any sense, either.  One character's personality and actions make sense only if you stop considering them a 'character' with believable motivations and recognize that they're a walking plot device.

I am very much with Nandemonai here. Even if I blot out all the h scenes I simply cannot find much sense in the story. And the fact that the true route made all others more or less obsolete just added to the frustration. Many disgusting h scenes + an utterly senseless story makes this my worst VN reading experience so far.

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Btw for those who found the story utterly senseless did you complete the true route? Considering what you need to do to enter the last part of the story I think it would be pretty easy to miss it thinking that you read through all of it, well if you don't care about getting all the CGs.

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39 minutes ago, bakauchuujin said:

Btw for those who found the story utterly senseless did you complete the true route?

I'm pretty sure no one missed it. No one even said it's incomprehensible, it's just... Dumb and unconvincing. A good setup drowned in ridiculous, overly convoluted sci-fi dribble and over-the-top plot twists. I understand people loving this game for its atmosphere and the psychological parts, but I find the overarching mystery plot absolutely indefensible. It doesn't make the game awful IMO, but doesn't deserve to be treated seriously.

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10 minutes ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

I'm pretty sure no one missed it. No one even said it's incomprehensible, it's just... Dumb and unconvincing. A good setup drawn in ridiculous, overly convoluted sci-fi dribble and over-the-top plot twists. I understand people loving this game for its atmosphere and the psychological parts, but I find the overarching mystery plot absolutely indefensible. It doesn't make the game awful IMO, but doesn't deserve to be treated seriously.

Ok it is just that I think it would be easy for someone to not

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Continue through the loop, but instead just figure the story was done before saving Nemu.

 

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23 minutes ago, bakauchuujin said:

Ok it is just that I think it would be easy for someone to not

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Continue through the loop, but instead just figure the story was done before saving Nemu.

 

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But still, they would quite logically reach Kanae's normal end at least? I'm not sure if I remember it right, but I think there's not that much the true end adds when it goes to explaining the overarching mysteries. Plus, most people will use a walkthrough anyway when approaching a game like this. 

 

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The opening song is very nice, so at least it's worth it. By that I mean it's worth to listen on Youtube only, and no you didn't really need to play this VN if you thought that the contents is too extreme. And if you want to play the VN with the same premise here, I think Root Double should be good because it have much less rape than euphoria. So yeah you may as well avoid euphoria here if you dislike rape, and as for my personal opinion while I can tolerate rape I would say that scat here is definitely not my thing (Not to mention the strange and uncanny torture).

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@MIUUZICK

This video was in my recommended list when I was youtube-ing yesterday:

My first reaction is that her reaction was sort of fake and, I dun know, forced maybe (I was thinking perhaps she exaggerated her reactions for views).

Then I started thinking maybe the ones who replied to your thread (including myself) belong to the minority who can enjoy this kind of stuff, and her video may accurately represent how the average VN reader will react with this VN.

Her negative reactions seemed to stem from the sexual stuff inside the VN. I posted this as reference material for you since it seems relevant as you hate rape (and more extreme sexual stuff presumably)

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17 hours ago, phantomJS said:

This video was in my recommended list when I was youtube-ing yesterday:

My first reaction is that her reaction was sort of fake and, I dun know, forced maybe (I was thinking perhaps she exaggerated her reactions for views).

Then I started thinking maybe the ones who replied to your thread (including myself) belong to the minority who can enjoy this kind of stuff, and her video may accurately represent how the average VN reader will react with this VN.

Her negative reactions seemed to stem from the sexual stuff inside the VN. I posted this as reference material for you since it seems relevant as you hate rape (and more extreme sexual stuff presumably)

From what I have seen she just likes going on rants about things and being outraged.

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It has a decent story for a VN with such a huge amount of porn scenes. If most eroges can be classified as 'plot with porn', euphoria would be 'porn with plot'. That alone distinguishes it from most nukiges out there. The main problem you might find is that the porn is (for most people anyway) anything but arousing. It can be hard to stomach for some people (normies :makina:). 

So, to sum it up... Don't go into it expecting the story of your life because you'll be disappointed, but as long as you keep your expectations not too high and can withstand the more hardcore content, it makes for an interesting read. Above average anyway. 

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On 4/9/2019 at 11:20 PM, MIUUZICK said:

I mean, I usually dislike nukige but this one seems to have a rather good and interesting plot so I don't mind it however my main concern is :

I really really hate rape in VNs, I can handle it but if it's just that then I won't enjoy it and will probably skip the H-scenes (which is dumb considering it's a nukige), I obviously expect some but is it really only non-con?

 

no wanting to sound condescending, but instead of creating this thread just use fuwas search function, or "fuwa euphoria" on google. it´s my honest believe that u4ea´s been one of the most thoroughly discussed subjects here ever since its release, so yeah, just my worthless 50yuan....

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7 hours ago, SaintOfVoid said:

no wanting to sound condescending, but instead of creating this thread just use fuwas search function, or "fuwa euphoria" on google. it´s my honest believe that u4ea´s been one of the most thoroughly discussed subjects here ever since its release, so yeah, just my worthless 50yuan....

Actually this thread gave me some insights that I see less often about Euphoria, because there is a sites out there that lot that people just put on a pedestal for it...

Fuwanovel is not a heavy traffic forum and she probably wanted a more personal response.

I don't see anything wrong in one person creating a topic for this.

Yeah, I know, she could have just searched for it but still... I might not be here on fuwa for such a long time, but that's my honest opinion.

 

Because after all, the Forums are here to discuss, isn't it? It barely has new threads anyway...

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These guys who complain about threads and tell you to google instead appear now and again and i never understand it. By his logic you should barely post anything, because often whatever you ask is available somewhere on the net. What we ask for is peoples personal input, which is not as often available. You can read a review of something on some site, but that's a single persons opinion, or you can ask here and get input from a lot of different people, which is naturally more helpful. 

I hardly take the opinions of single persons nowadays as too many are very biased. Some like a convoluted sci-fi story and will praise it to the sky, even if the story doesn't make any sense in the end. Some people will praise a story to the sky as long as it has a sad or depressing ending, even if the story is shit and the ending doesn't fit. And of course the same with good endings. So i usually judge based on multiple peoples input when i'm about to read something i'm skeptical about.

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Honestly, no. 

Most people on here have somehow managed to desensitize themselves about literally the most disgusting scenes of assault I've seen in any work (seriously, the amount of literal torture going on just... ramps... up). There's a story that stitches them together, and it's a decently good story on its own, but even though I've seen interpretations of Euphoria that justify the gratuitous sexualization present in all assault scenes, the sexualization is still there, and most characters seem to conveniently not have much of a response to being tortured and assaulted whatsoever outside the scenes themselves, which signifies to me rape is prominent in this VN for the shock/literal torture porn factor, and not for writing. 

Frankly, this is a story that could've been written without sexualized rape (and without a stupid amount of sympathy imposed by the text for the protagonist). Euphoria is a game that has in a rather literal sense hurt me (partly also because I played it way too young), and I believe the reason it ends up being recommended is 90% because people who want to jack off to fictional torture got a decent story with it and 10% because people played it for the story and found it was worth going through 30 or so scenes of torture. 

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See my post above for my thoughts on the game's content (I am not desensitized to it at all).

1)  Yeah, I'll agree with you on the reason Euphoria ends up being recommended.  When I talked about Funbag Fantasy, I said more or less the same thing: Most of the time, porn doesn't have a decent plot attached to it because the people writing it know that's not what folks are after.  It's why many monster girl games give really silly 'explanations' for why monster girls of all different races are in love with you, involving things like 'your sperm is super concentrated magical energy'.  Much easier to just say that and move on to the orgies than to worldbuild a unique culture and backstory for each girl and actually tie them into the plot.

So when you see a game that *does* bother, that makes it something special just because - writers don't bother.  This was true of Funbag Fantasy and it's true of Euphoria.

2) This game is a serious test to my stance, but doesn't change it: Everybody has their own kink, and basically kink is harmless.  Yes, it is true that some very small number of actual pedophiles are big into loli hentai, and likewise some rapists are big into depictions of sexual violence like Euphoria, and some school shooters were big into violent video games, and so on and so forth.  But those people are messed up, and that's why they're into those kinks.  Not the other way around.  The vast majority of folks don't have (or cause) any such problems.  I.e. - Euphoria is not for me, but that doesn't matter.  It's ultimately still a work of fiction, and there's no sense looking down on it or on people who enjoy it, just because it happens to be about a thing I find queasy and unsettling.

3) I'll bet that most of the folks who praise Euphoria for the plot, but have very low tolerance for rape and the other stuff?  They didn't actually go  through the 30 h-scenes.  They're like me, and used ctrl to skip all of that stuff.  Because GAAAH! MY EYES!

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5 hours ago, Nandemonai said:

Yes, it is true that some very small number of actual pedophiles are big into loli hentai, and likewise some rapists are big into depictions of sexual violence like Euphoria, and some school shooters were big into violent video games, and so on and so forth. 

And where did you get this factual information?

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I would recommend it for the sex scenes, they are very good and there are a lot of them, and they have all of the different bases well covered. It's definitely 18+ only. It's fair to say that about 3/4 of the game is rape and pretty hardcore sex scenes, including some very specific fetish stuff that not everybody can stomach.

If you are not into the rape/sex/fetish stuff, and you just want to play through a plot heavy vn that, then I wouldn't recommend this. If you take away all of the sex scenes, this vn is below average. Instead I would recommend "Kara no Shoujo" for 18+ vn, or "Narcissu" if you are under 18.

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