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Nora to Oujo to Noraneko Heart English Release

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8 minutes ago, Swim Swim said:

Well at least they are creative, never heard about the practice of localization companies paying extra for the 18+ side of voice acting, though one can argue this is the good old "We wouldnt have it at all if it wasnt censored" or "They needed a lower age rating to make a profit" mantra.

Hopefully this butchered version will be a failure.

regardless of there being an 18+ version or not, fruitbat is NOT the publisher and only contributed to its translation. 
btw everything costs money, even if harukaze were to release noratoto´s 18+ content in english, that would cost them an extra pay. seiyuus aren´t cheap and even if it´s mostly moaning - voiced ero-content still is content - means licensing fees etc etc etc

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Note that Fruitbat only contributed to the QA part of the translation.

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Which... well it actually has spots that look better than typical fruitbat quality so nice I guess.
Also when it's literally listed in the publishers list on steam (as one of two with TOKYOTOWN) you have to wonder why you're not thinking of them as publishers 🤔

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5 hours ago, Zakamutt said:

Note that Fruitbat only contributed to the QA part of the translation.

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Which... well it actually has spots that look better than typical fruitbat quality so nice I guess.
Also when it's literally listed in the publishers list on steam (as one of two with TOKYOTOWN) you have to wonder why you're not thinking of them as publishers 🤔

We're a co-publisher, not "the" publisher; since you already know we only became involved at the very end, it should be pretty obvious we're not making any executive decisions regarding the release. Our main role is in handling English user support, promos, storefront negotiations and what have you.

We are running our own QA for the game as part of the service, but can only report issues and actually implementing changes happens between the developer and the localization company they used for the translation. I want to be very clear about that, since our own standards would be considerably higher when it comes to the end quality (we already need to compromise on the level of things which we report due to not having direct freedom to implement them). IMO the translation itself is decent though, above par for a commercial localization and certainly good enough to enjoy the game.

 

On 1.6.2019 at 1:44 PM, littleshogun said:

Well if this version did have new content like Eien no Aselia or Eiyuu Senki, perhaps it would be worth it to get even with the censorship mess. Otherwise I'll just treat it as censored VN, and once again my suggestion would be just wait for Senren Banka release later like I said earlier (Because three of the four main heroines seiyuu did voiced three Senren Banka main heroines). Good luck for the release later though.

I haven't done a personal comparison but another person on the staff did and they counted 17 new CGs in this version that aren't in the latest Japanese PC release. Also thanks!

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5 hours ago, PhleBuster said:

I haven't done a personal comparison but another person on the staff did and they counted 17 new CGs in this version that aren't in the latest Japanese PC release.

Though, it also removes about the same amount of CGs due to the lack of H-scenes, so, it's really just an equal amount to the original PC release. This is certainly better than the alternative, which is just a cut version, with no additional CGs. So, that's something.

Still, not having the 18+ option at all will make one part of the community lose interest, even if there's all-ages replacement CGs. (Something I'm sure you've noticed by now.) It matters a lot to some people.

 

On that note, I have a couple of questions, if you don't mind:

You mentioned a possible issue with offering 18+ content now is that the voice actresses have their real names listed in the credits for this console version. Would this not be solved if they offered a completely separate build on other sites like JAST, similar to the Japanese PC version? Because in that, the names would be their aliases again, so this issue shouldn't be there.

Have you tried getting them in talks with storefronts like JAST/ Mangagamer, who could offer more insight in possible ways to get around these issues? Other companies have approached the west with only all-ages versions in the past, and were met with similar backlash. A recent example being Ninetail, though after talking it over with JAST, they got a deal in place where they could offer an uncut version too on JAST's store. Maybe Harukaze would come to a similar conclusion after talking it over with a western storefront familiar with this market.

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1 minute ago, Dergonu said:

You mentioned a possible issue with offering 18+ content now is that the voice actresses have their real names listed in the credits for this console version. Would this not be solved if they offered a completely separate build on other sites like JAST, similar to the Japanese PC version? Because in that, the names would be their aliases again, so this issue shouldn't be there.

Have you tried getting them in talks with storefronts like JAST/ Mangagamer, who could offer more insight in possible ways to get around these issues? Other companies have approached the west with only all-ages versions in the past, and were met with similar backlash. A recent example being Ninetail, though after talking it over with JAST, they got a deal in place where they could offer an uncut version too on JAST's store. Maybe Harukaze would come to a similar conclusion after talking it over with a western storefront familiar with this market.

Good question. It seems unlikely at the moment, I believe that if they were able to offer an 18+ version, they would just do it. What storefront they offer one on isn't relevant to the voice issue. And I don't believe they have any other reservations about making one, considering they're the ones that made the 18+ version in the first place.

In some cases voice licensing issues can just make something impossible (see TM just releasing a new F/SN edition that still doesn't have voices), or it might be -significantly- expensive (what I know about the scale of voice licensing costs in general, it might be something that'd say, double the entire cost of the release). At the other end of the scales, if they had wanted to roll with the 18+ version they probably wouldn't be able to use the new console content (which might've made things like a Steam release impossible). This is just speculation on my part though, based on my general understanding of how these things work. I'm sure we'll discuss the topic repeatedly in the future as well and maybe we'll eventually be wiser about it. 

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25 minutes ago, PhleBuster said:

I believe that if they were able to offer an 18+ version, they would just do it ... And I don't believe they have any other reservations about making one, considering they're the ones that made the 18+ version in the first place.

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This is just speculation on my part though, based on my general understanding of how these things work.

Based on how eroge companies generally operate regarding their western releases (especially when they have no "partner" to help them), I'd say simply asking them first would be the wise decision as japanese eroge pubs may not think of releasing a 18+ version for the most absurd reasons you can't even imagine in the right mind. Looking back, I'd even say they usually approach the release with the mentality of "of course we are going for the safe console version, why would we release porn in the wild west and ask for trouble?" and only then fans can sometimes manage to dissuade them. 

I have a very hard time believing that NoraNeko of all things (considering that all seiyuus in the game are the usual suspects) is exactly that legendary game which can't be released uncut due to the extreme licensing issues and it's not simply a case of "can't be bothered to go back to the basic preparations that late in the game". If there's no will, there obviously won't be a way. While true, it would be absurd to stall the steam release for another, say, six months simply because they didn't think of releasing 18+ version, it still means that if noone presses them about it, they'll just think that everything is marvellous and they are genious strategists. Especially since, as I understand it, they don't even look at the feedback, only Fruitbat does. Fruitbat that's not even releasing 18+ games to begin with.

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On 6/2/2019 at 4:27 PM, Dergonu said:

Though, it also removes about the same amount of CGs due to the lack of H-scenes, so, it's really just an equal amount to the original PC release.

Is this a joke? There are not 17 HCG in the original PC release. There are 41, each of which has around 20 variations by the way, plus 5 CG with nudity.

I counted 91 non-SD CG in total, so that’s half.

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On 2019. 06. 02. at 5:04 PM, novurdim said:

Based on how eroge companies generally operate regarding their western releases (especially when they have no "partner" to help them), I'd say simply asking them first would be the wise decision as japanese eroge pubs may not think of releasing a 18+ version for the most absurd reasons you can't even imagine in the right mind. Looking back, I'd even say they usually approach the release with the mentality of "of course we are going for the safe console version, why would we release porn in the wild west and ask for trouble?" and only then fans can sometimes manage to dissuade them. 

I have a very hard time believing that NoraNeko of all things (considering that all seiyuus in the game are the usual suspects) is exactly that legendary game which can't be released uncut due to the extreme licensing issues and it's not simply a case of "can't be bothered to go back to the basic preparations that late in the game". If there's no will, there obviously won't be a way. While true, it would be absurd to stall the steam release for another, say, six months simply because they didn't think of releasing 18+ version, it still means that if noone presses them about it, they'll just think that everything is marvellous and they are genious strategists. Especially since, as I understand it, they don't even look at the feedback, only Fruitbat does. Fruitbat that's not even releasing 18+ games to begin with.

Fruitbat just hates 18+ content, they did the same with Eiyuu*Senki when licensed the console version, just to avoid ero. They are equal to Moenovel, just using different buzzwords, instead of French teenage grills target audience, we get the tale couldnt be licensed because ero scene voice overs so expensive, at this point nothing more than damage control. 

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2 minutes ago, Swim Swim said:

Fruitbat just hates 18+ content, they did the same with Eiyuu*Senki when licensed the console version, just to avoid ero. They are equal to Moenovel, just using different buzzwords, instead of French teenage grills target audience, we get the tale couldnt be licensed because ero scene voice overs so expensive, at this point nothing more than damage control. 

Don't let facts get in the way of a good story. We haven't licensed anything - as I pointed out just a few posts earlier in this thread. Not the voices, not the game. It's being released by Harukaze via their label of TOKYOTOON, and would've been exactly the same way without us, just with less QA and lacking user support.  

That statement's all sorts of amusing on other grounds as well, but oh well.

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43 minutes ago, Swim Swim said:

Fruitbat just hates 18+ content, they did the same with Eiyuu*Senki when licensed the console version, just to avoid ero. They are equal to Moenovel, just using different buzzwords, instead of French teenage grills target audience, we get the tale couldnt be licensed because ero scene voice overs so expensive, at this point nothing more than damage control.

Fruitbat don't publish/license the game so I have only meant that even though they don't release 18+ games themselves, they should still bring to the Harukaze's attention (who are basically self-publishing the game) that there's a very eager audience for the original 18+ version and plenty of platforms to sell it on. Since, you know, it looks like Harukaze have no meaningful interaction with the western audience whatsoever. Nothing more, nothing less. 

I'd even say that I generally like Fruitbat, they have released plenty of cool non-ero VNs like Chuusotsu or Seabed, sustain a somewhat decent TL/tech quality and the only game of theirs that originally had ero got the 18+ release on behalf of JAST anyway so it's not like they robbed you of anything. I'm only salty that they didn't bring Eiyuu Senki to the vita back in the day. Boo.

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29 minutes ago, novurdim said:

Fruitbat don't publish/license the game so I have only meant that even though they don't release 18+ games themselves, they should still bring to the Harukaze's attention (who are basically self-publishing the game) that there's a very eager audience for the original 18+ version and plenty of platforms to sell it on. Since, you know, it looks like Harukaze have no meaningful interaction with the western audience whatsoever. Nothing more, nothing less. 

I think we have a pretty good understanding of the market, and this is certainly something we already brought up in the first meeting. They had already made all the plans tho and it was clear that there's no 18+ version coming in the immediate future. 

We'll discuss it again in the future for sure. And if they're interested in bringing out the sequel too, we'll be able to start with a clean slate and hopefully have more of a say in the release strategy.

32 minutes ago, novurdim said:

I'm only salty that they didn't bring Eiyuu Senki to the vita back in the day. Boo.

Not our call, sadly. I'm probably allowed to say that it's something we wanted to do, but I'm not able to go into more detail on it.

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Made an account to simply say I got a refund. The art is amazing so is the VA. I take H scenes as both erotic and heartwarming so rip there. Seeing "Light rays" where they make no sense pulls me out out of the scene as well. Was quite upset it got censored so hard. Shoulda read up on it though. Really bummed.

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13 hours ago, kutroz said:

Made an account to simply say I got a refund. The art is amazing so is the VA. I take H scenes as both erotic and heartwarming so rip there. Seeing "Light rays" where they make no sense pulls me out out of the scene as well. Was quite upset it got censored so hard. Shoulda read up on it though. Really bummed.

Another moenovel? Seems like it is.

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4 hours ago, novurdim said:

Pretty sure he simply meant the censored nipples which can be considered a part of censoring H-scenes.

Sorry, I was quite sleepy when I read his post earlier. You're right, I probably misunderstood.

50 minutes ago, Swim Swim said:

Another moenovel? Seems like it is.

RIP. I already hated Moenovel. I have no sympathy for companies that are trying to replicate their model.

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34 minutes ago, ShinRaikdou said:

@Nier No.

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But still unacceptable.

I am sorry, I am gonna need a little more explanation to go by, kutroz mentioned this about the game after having purchased it and getting a refund:

18 hours ago, kutroz said:

Made an account to simply say I got a refund. The art is amazing so is the VA. I take H scenes as both erotic and heartwarming so rip there. Seeing "Light rays" where they make no sense pulls me out out of the scene as well. Was quite upset it got censored so hard. Shoulda read up on it though. Really bummed.

Isn't he saying that the game is censored the same way that the PS4 version was censored after Sony Interactive Entertainment headquarters were relocated from Japan to the USA and that's when the murricans now in control of Sony Interactive Entertainment started forcing japanese devs to censor their games? Both the switch and PS4 versions came out in 2018 and the PS4 is heavily censored with light rays everywhere just like the screenshots I posted, while the PS Vita version (which came out in 2017) and Switch version do not have such insane amount of censorship.

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3 minutes ago, Nier said:

Isn't he saying that the game is censored the same way that the PS4 version was censored after Sony Interactivbe Entertainment headquarters were relocated from Japan to the USA and started forcing japanese devs to sensor their games?

The game's console versions had two stages of censorship.

Normal consoles had light rays covering exposed genitals. This seems to be what we got on Steam.

PS4 had light rays covering most skin.

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6 minutes ago, Mr Poltroon said:

The game's console versions had two stages of censorship.

Normal consoles had light rays covering genitals. This seems to be what we got on Steam.

PS4 had light rays covering most skin.

Actually it seems that there were 3 stages, (which still left the PS4 version as the most heavily censored one):

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I would be fine if the Steam english version has the same amount of (normal) censorship that is expected from ported an 18+ moege on console, but not if it's based on either of the two insane censorship from the PS4 version which is basically on par with MoeNovel's crazed censorship methods.

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