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I've know about this VN for a while and it looks really interesting. There are a few things I would like to know though to see if I'll like it. Some of my questions are asking for some spoilers but I'm fine with that.

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1. Should I play School Days or Shiny Days first?

2. Is there any NTR/Protag getting cheated on? If there is, in how many routes does this happen?

3. I know there is a part where Taisuke ends up raping Kotonoha. Is them actually having sex shown? Is this something that happens in bad ends only?

4. I tend to avoid H-scenes that include a guy other than the MC. Does Taisuke (or any other guy that isn't the protag) end up having sex (or implied) with any other heroines? I also remember seeing a scene where Kotonoha and Taisuke are having sex and Makoto and some other girl are watching. In how many routes does this happen?

5. Overall, did you enjoy School Days? In your opinion, should I read this VN?

 

I suppose these questions could also apply to Shiny Days.

Thanks for any responses.

 

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4 minutes ago, Sseth123 said:

I've know about this VN for a while and it looks really interesting. There are a few things I would like to know though to see if I'll like it. Some of my questions are asking for some spoilers but I'm fine with that.

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1. Should I play School Days or Shiny Days first?

2. Is there any NTR/Protag getting cheated on? If there is, in how many routes does this happen?

3. I know there is a part where Taisuke ends up raping Kotonoha. Is them actually having sex shown? Is this something that happens in bad ends only?

4. I tend to avoid H-scenes that include a guy other than the MC. Does Taisuke (or any other guy that isn't the protag) end up having sex (or implied) with any other heroines? I also remember seeing a scene where Kotonoha and Taisuke are having sex and Makoto and some other girl are watching. In how many routes does this happen?

5. Overall, did you enjoy School Days? In your opinion, should I read this VN?

 

I suppose these questions could also apply to Shiny Days.

Thanks for any responses.

 

Shiny Days is the fandisc, so you MUST read School Days before.

2 - yes, a lot, as in it's part of the game mechanics

I haven't played yet, so I'm only telling what it's up there, but I think numbers 3 and 4 are a given due to the nature of the game

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shiny days plays more as a what if scenario than anything else. you dont need to know really any events from school days to read it. as far as i can remember nothing is really referenced from school days.

 

as for 2 

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yes. she doesnt exactly cheat on the mc as theyre not together but he does still care about her.

 

3. yes, you see it as the mc just watches as she yells in pain and agony while being raped. hes not tied up, hes just useless.

 

4. cant really say how many routes but there are a couple. also, kotonoha i think is the only one who has sex with someone else other than the mc and its usually rape.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeh, i kind of sort of enjoyed school days. i just stayed away from most of the bad stuff. shiny days i enjoyed more as that was a lot more tolerable than school days.

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6 hours ago, mitchhamilton said:
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also, kotonoha i think is the only one who has sex with someone else other than the mc and its usually rape.

 

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Nope, Sekai can end up in a similar situation, although I don't think the act itself is ever shown, only the effects. This by the way is connected to the most disgusting scene in the whole game, where Matoko faps to the memory of Sekai messed up after being raped. That dude have some serious issues.

In general, I think School Days is pretty interesting, but the protagonist seeing girls he cares about being raped and doing nothing about it made me furious. That pretty much my main problem with the game. 

 

 

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Nope, Sekai can end up in a similar situation, although I don't think the act itself is ever shown, only the effects. This by the way is connected to the most disgusting scene in the whole game, where Matoko faps to the memory of Sekai messed up after being raped. That dude have some serious issues.

In general, I think School Days is pretty interesting, but the protagonist seeing girls he cares about being raped and doing nothing about it made me furious. That pretty much my main problem with the game. 

 

 

My memory of this scene is hazy, and it was intentionally vague, but I think Sekai was angry that he came inside without a condom.  I think they'd already had sex at this point.

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On 9/27/2018 at 1:47 AM, Plk_Lesiak said:
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Nope, Sekai can end up in a similar situation, although I don't think the act itself is ever shown, only the effects. This by the way is connected to the most disgusting scene in the whole game, where Matoko faps to the memory of Sekai messed up after being raped. That dude have some serious issues.

In general, I think School Days is pretty interesting, but the protagonist seeing girls he cares about being raped and doing nothing about it made me furious. That pretty much my main problem with the game. 

 

 

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You can actually catch sawanaga feeling her up (against her will) before he comes in her, basically the same scene where makoto sees her dripping but instead makoto is there before it happens. He then forces her to suck makoto. But I guess you don't see his dick go in her? You do see her laying in bed unhappy after he fucks at one point so close enough?

 

1. Should I play School Days or Shiny Days first?

--They're separate timelines/alternate scenarios with many of the same characters. You could definitely play shiny days first if you really wanted (Cause you really just want the lolis/moms). But you'd enjoy it a lot more having played School Days first, probably. I would suggest playing School Days first.

 

2. Is there any NTR/Protag getting cheated on? If there is, in how many routes does this happen?

--The game has many endings, but the routes are very interchangeable/reused. It's quite a complicated flowchart. The odds of you running into NTR are extremely high - if not because they make a large percentage of the routes, than definitely because the way the game is structured, you will run into those scenes over and over near the beginning/middle-ish of many, perhaps most of your playthroughs. 

--It's technically NTR because a love interest is having consensual sex with/raped by another male character. But in every situation it's when the MC doesn't want/care about that heroine, so it might not fit your definition of "being cheated on".

 

3. I know there is a part where Taisuke ends up raping Kotonoha. Is them actually having sex shown? Is this something that happens in bad ends only?

--There are multiple scenes of Sawanaga Taisuke raping Kotonoha in multiple situations. It's brutal and explicitly shown. Even hurts MY feelings a little.

 

4. I tend to avoid H-scenes that include a guy other than the MC. Does Taisuke (or any other guy that isn't the protag) end up having sex (or implied) with any other heroines? I also remember seeing a scene where Kotonoha and Taisuke are having sex and Makoto and some other girl are watching. In how many routes does this happen?

--Like I said in answer #2, while it only may make up a small percentage of total routes, the way the game is designed you may run into this scenario very often. And again, yes, it's explicitly shown in several scenes with several heroines, and implicitly implied many other times.

 

5. Overall, did you enjoy School Days? In your opinion, should I read this VN?

--I enjoyed the hell out of it. You shouldn't read it, it's terrible. A hellishly buggy game of hateable characters with atrociously tedious branch navigation. 

--I still enjoyed the hell out of it because there isn't a VN with this kind of gritty teenage drama horror. It's hella unique. Murder, jealousy, pregnancy, lust, poor, poor decisions.  A lot of it I found gruesomely realistic. It's a case study for why teenagers should be chaperoned at all times. It's the cheating simulator and it's a special hell.

 

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21 minutes ago, Corrupted said:
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You can actually catch sawanaga feeling her up (against her will) before he comes in her, basically the same scene where makoto sees her dripping but instead makoto is there before it happens. He then forces her to suck makoto. But I guess you don't see his dick go in her? You do see her laying in bed unhappy after he fucks at one point so close enough?

There are multiple scenes of Sawanaga Taisuke raping Kotonoha in multiple situations. It's brutal and explicitly shown. Even hurts MY feelings a little.

 

I recall no rape scenes involving Kotonoha being depicted in-game.  I find that some readers tend to misunderstand the situations presented or inject their own personal values into the narrative.

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6 minutes ago, sanahtlig said:

I recall no rape scenes involving Kotonoha being depicted in-game.  I find that some readers tend to misunderstand the situations presented or inject their own personal values into the narrative.

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If otome talks to sawanaga and then makoto rejects kotonoha at the festival, Sawanaga will lure her to the break room and rape her on screen. As in, she's screaming no, stop the entire time as he says it's for her own good and steals her virginity. It's very easy to miss some of the more rare scenes in this game, this one took me a long time to find. Most of the time it's just implied they hooked up/have sex. This one in particular gives you the chapter ending "Kotonoha Broken" and shows her with torn clothes and leaking vagoo, after she escapes Sawanaga, watching Sekai and MC dance at the bonfire, before breaking into heartwrenching cries. There's no room for interpretation on this one, it's super rape.

The more easily found scene, where kotonoha is being raped by Sawanaga while Makoto and Kuroda watch could be a little more debatable. IF YOU'RE A TERRIBLE PERSON. She's says no, stop, crying the entire time, and never ends up enjoying it. But it's ok at that point because they're in a relationship, obviously. -.-

 

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6 hours ago, Corrupted said:
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If otome talks to sawanaga and then makoto rejects her kotonoha at the festival, Sawanaga will lure her to the break room and rape her on screen. As in, she's screaming no, stop the entire time as he says it's for her own good and steals her virginity. It's very easy to miss some of the more rare scenes in this game, this one took me a long time to find. Most of the time it's just implied they hooked up/have sex. This gives you the chapter ending "Kotonoha Broken".

The more easily found scene, where kotonoha is being raped by Sawanaga while Makoto and Kuroda watch could be a little more debatable. IF YOU'RE A TERRIBLE PERSON. She's says no, stop, crying the entire time, and never ends up enjoying it. But it's ok at that point because they're in a relationship, obviously. -.-

 

 

The first is rape, but it's not shown--it's implied.

The second is not considered rape by the characters themselves: Makoto and Kuroda watch in fascination, not horror, with the alternative being to just leave.  Makoto himself considers Kotonoha's relationship with Taisuke a betrayal, and in Hikari's route he rejects Kotonoha because of this.  In addition, Kotonoha climaxes at the end, and later tells Makoto that being taken from behind was sort of thrilling, though she dislikes Taisuke overall because he's coercive and selfish, thinking only of his own pleasure.

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The first is rape, but it's not shown--it's implied.

The second is not considered rape by the characters themselves: Makoto and Kuroda watch in fascination, not horror, with the alternative being to just leave.  Makoto himself considers Kotonoha's relationship with Taisuke a betrayal, and in Hikari's route he rejects Kotonoha because of this.  In addition, Kotonoha climaxes at the end, and later tells Makoto that being taken from behind was sort of thrilling, though she dislikes sex with Taisuke overall because he's coercive and selfish, thinking only of his own pleasure.

 

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I feel like this is about to become one of those cyclic conversations that are best left alone. As such I'll make this my last reply on the same topic. 

Starting with the "second" I kinda agree with you, but I kinda don't. I interpret it as Kuroda and Makoto seeing Sawanaga as raping Kotonoha or at least being very "manly and forceful" and the characters in this world, like a lot of VN/anime worlds, are simply much more tolerant of rape in general. Falls in a fantasy gray area that wouldn't apply in real life, and is a common Japanese porn theme of "if she likes it by the end or orgasms, it wasn't rape" (that wouldn't hold up in court, of course). But that's just my and your differing interpretation of the same scene...if someone doesn't want to see rape, I think we should able to agree that this scene is "rapey" and probably not something they want to see.

As for the first - you're correct in that it's implied - in most routes. In one route, like I mentioned, you get to watch it happen and it is hella brutal. It's followed by an extra scene the next day when Sawanaga introduces his gf Kotonoha then says something like "Oh how did we meet? ahaha details don't matter" because he literally raped her at Otome's encouragement and realizes he can't really bring that up in conversation. Silly Sawanaga. What a goofball.

 

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3 minutes ago, Corrupted said:
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I feel like this is about to become one of those cyclic conversations that are best left alone. As such I'll make this my last reply on the same topic. 

Starting with the "second" I kinda agree with you, but I kinda don't. I interpret it as Kuroda and Makoto seeing Sawanaga as raping Kotonoha or at least being very "manly and forceful" and the characters in this world, like a lot of VN/anime worlds, are simply much more tolerant of rape in general. Falls in a fantasy gray area that wouldn't apply in real life, and is a common Japanese porn theme of "if she likes it by the end or orgasms, it wasn't rape" (that wouldn't hold up in court, of course). But that's just my and your differing interpretation of the same scene...if someone doesn't want to see rape, I think we should able to agree that this scene is "rapey" and probably not something they want to see.

As for the first - you're correct in that it's implied - in most routes. In one route, like I mentioned, you get to watch it happen and it is hella brutal. It's followed by an extra scene the next day when Sawanaga introduces his gf Kotonoha then says something like "Oh how did we meet? ahaha details don't matter" because he literally raped her at Otome's encouragement and realizes he can't really bring that up in conversation. Silly Sawanaga. What a goofball.

 

The scene where Makoto watches the two have sex is NTR.  That's the role of the scene in the narrative: to cause regret that Makoto / the player didn't choose to protect Kotonoha.

The rape scene is not depicted.  There's no graphic display of penetration for that scene.  It's not a sex scene.

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The scene where Makoto watches the two have sex is NTR.  That's the role of the scene in the narrative: to cause regret that Makoto / the player didn't choose to protect Kotonoha.

The rape scene is not depicted.  There's no graphic display of penetration for that scene.  It's not a sex scene.

 

its still rape. and there is a scene where she does get raped

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when the bully and her friends go up to makatos friend and say shes interested in him. they convince him that she wants to have sex with him but shes interested in rape play and that no matter how much she screams and says no shes into it.

 

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4 hours ago, mitchhamilton said:

its still rape. and there is a scene where she does get raped

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when the bully and her friends go up to makatos friend and say shes interested in him and they convince him that she wants to have sex with him and shes interested in rape play and that no matter how much she screams and says no shes into it.

 

That's not a sex scene.

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17 hours ago, Corrupted said:
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You can actually catch sawanaga feeling her up (against her will) before he comes in her, basically the same scene where makoto sees her dripping but instead makoto is there before it happens. He then forces her to suck makoto. But I guess you don't see his dick go in her? You do see her laying in bed unhappy after he fucks at one point so close enough?

 

1. Should I play School Days or Shiny Days first?

--They're separate timelines/alternate scenarios with many of the same characters. You could definitely play shiny days first if you really wanted (Cause you really just want the lolis/moms). But you'd enjoy it a lot more having played School Days first, probably. I would suggest playing School Days first.

 

2. Is there any NTR/Protag getting cheated on? If there is, in how many routes does this happen?

--The game has many endings, but the routes are very interchangeable/reused. It's quite a complicated flowchart. The odds of you running into NTR are extremely high - if not because they make a large percentage of the routes, than definitely because the way the game is structured, you will run into those scenes over and over near the beginning/middle-ish of many, perhaps most of your playthroughs. 

--It's technically NTR because a love interest is having consensual sex with/raped by another male character. But in every situation it's when the MC doesn't want/care about that heroine, so it might not fit your definition of "being cheated on".

 

3. I know there is a part where Taisuke ends up raping Kotonoha. Is them actually having sex shown? Is this something that happens in bad ends only?

--There are multiple scenes of Sawanaga Taisuke raping Kotonoha in multiple situations. It's brutal and explicitly shown. Even hurts MY feelings a little.

 

4. I tend to avoid H-scenes that include a guy other than the MC. Does Taisuke (or any other guy that isn't the protag) end up having sex (or implied) with any other heroines? I also remember seeing a scene where Kotonoha and Taisuke are having sex and Makoto and some other girl are watching. In how many routes does this happen?

--Like I said in answer #2, while it only may make up a small percentage of total routes, the way the game is designed you may run into this scenario very often. And again, yes, it's explicitly shown in several scenes with several heroines, and implicitly implied many other times.

 

5. Overall, did you enjoy School Days? In your opinion, should I read this VN?

--I enjoyed the hell out of it. You shouldn't read it, it's terrible. A hellishly buggy game of hateable characters with atrociously tedious branch navigation. 

--I still enjoyed the hell out of it because there isn't a VN with this kind of gritty teenage drama horror. It's hella unique. Murder, jealousy, pregnancy, lust, poor, poor decisions.  A lot of it I found gruesomely realistic. It's a case study for why teenagers should be chaperoned at all times. It's the cheating simulator and it's a special hell.

 

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So far I get that Kotohona can get raped a few different ways and Sekai can as well. Are there any other heroines that this happens to? 

If I go into a single heroine's route that isn't Kotohona, is it basically 100% that she ends up with Taisuke? How many endings can I prevent him from doing something bad to one of the heroines? I am only going to avoid a few bad endings so I want to get an idea of how many there are. 

From what I hear, Taisuke is a pretty terrible person lol. 

The wiki for School days says there are 4 "bad endings". I'm assuming though that its more than just 4 one of the heroines is raped by a non MC character.

Does the flow chart style allow me to get many endings while avoiding these rape scenes? 

 

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5 hours ago, Sseth123 said:
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So far I get that Kotohona can get raped a few different ways and Sekai can as well. Are there any other heroines that this happens to? 

If I go into a single heroine's route that isn't Kotohona, is it basically 100% that she ends up with Taisuke? How many endings can I prevent him from doing something bad to one of the heroines? I am only going to avoid a few bad endings so I want to get an idea of how many there are. 

From what I hear, Taisuke is a pretty terrible person lol. 

The wiki for School days says there are 4 "bad endings". I'm assuming though that its more than just 4 one of the heroines is raped by a non MC character.

Does the flow chart style allow me to get many endings while avoiding these rape scenes? 

 

Ok, If I'm remember correctly, you can go through the "main routes" (i.e Kotonoha and Sekai) and as long as you pick well enough nothing too bad will happen. You'll get just some romcom and lovey dovey scenes.

However, to experience School Day in all its fun glory you need to get those bad endings. I mean, THAT'S School Days. You can't afford to be bothered by such trifling things like some rape here and there :makina: It's gonna be nasty, so you should be ready for it. If you are looking for some heartwarming romance you'd be better off looking somewhere else. 

That said, I had a lot of fun with SD, especially since I played it with a friend. To this day we still make jokes about Makoto and some iconic scenes :leecher:

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6 hours ago, Sseth123 said:
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So far I get that Kotohona can get raped a few different ways and Sekai can as well. Are there any other heroines that this happens to? 

If I go into a single heroine's route that isn't Kotohona, is it basically 100% that she ends up with Taisuke? How many endings can I prevent him from doing something bad to one of the heroines? I am only going to avoid a few bad endings so I want to get an idea of how many there are. 

From what I hear, Taisuke is a pretty terrible person lol. 

The wiki for School days says there are 4 "bad endings". I'm assuming though that its more than just 4 one of the heroines is raped by a non MC character.

Does the flow chart style allow me to get many endings while avoiding these rape scenes? 

 

You can't avoid or get around the bad stuff. The regular romance content isn't even good or interesting. It's a game designed around cheating, rape, suicide, pushing sad pregnant girls in front of trains, etc. If that doesn't appeal to you, I suggest you go play something else!

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7 hours ago, Corrupted said:

You can't avoid or get around the bad stuff. The regular romance content isn't even good or interesting. It's a game designed around cheating, rape, suicide, pushing sad pregnant girls in front of trains, etc. If that doesn't appeal to you, I suggest you go play something else!

It's actually possible to play both Sekai and Kotonoha routes non-NTR style (not sure if you can fully avoid rape though) and I quite enjoyed doing so, I don't think the romance was bad really (I've got Setsuna's Wish [non-cheating, non-pregnancy version] and Christmas Eve endings). TBH, after watching the anime I've got my fill of macabre and was wondering whether you can actually even get a decent ending with a shithead like Makoto as the protagonist. Steering him away from destroying other people's lives was something of a puzzle (you really can't make two moves without him sticking his dick in something he shouldn't) and I found it pretty satisfying. I'm pretty weird though. :P

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Thank you so much guys for all the responses! I'll definitely play this. I'm rather curious to see what will happen during my first playthrough since I won't be using a walkthrough or anything. Here's hoping the choices are somewhat clear as to possible outcomes, but I've got a feeling that's not the case xD 

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3 minutes ago, Sseth123 said:

Thank you so much guys for all the responses! I'll definitely play this. I'm rather curious to see what will happen during my first playthrough since I won't be using a walkthrough or anything. Here's hoping the choices are somewhat clear as to possible outcomes, but I've got a feeling that's not the case xD 

I bet you wanted the bad stuff this whole time...

Post how your first playthrough goes!

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53 minutes ago, Corrupted said:

I bet you wanted the bad stuff this whole time...

Post how your first playthrough goes!

I'll admit that a little soul crushing every now is enjoyable. 

I'll make sure share my thoughts after my first playthrough. This will be interesting.

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2 minutes ago, Sseth123 said:

I'll admit that a little soul crushing every now is enjoyable. 

I'll make sure share my thoughts after my first playthrough. This will be interesting.

I love the game and i'll be happy to follow your playthrough results. I'll follow this thread in case you post them here. If you get stuck or don't understand the atrocious navigation format feel free to ask me for advice.

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I'm pretty sure most of the time Taisuke ends up raping someone. He's a real piece of shit lol. 

However, pretty much every character in School Days is a bad person. 

I did find some satisfaction in watching the lives of all the characters fall apart by my hand. 

 

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I'm pretty sure most of the time Taisuke ends up raping someone. He's a real piece of shit lol. 

However, pretty much every character in School Days is a bad person. 

I did find some satisfaction in watching the lives of all the characters fall apart by my hand. 

 

There's only one good person and that's why she stars in the sequel!

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