Wildbreed Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) On 9/6/2018 at 7:50 PM, Fred the Barber said: You're being way too optimistic. Steam may have added a checkbox on the consumer side, but that doesn't mean anything until they actually publish a policy so developers and publishers can know what's allowed and what's not allowed (they haven't done this), and actually start applying said policy (they also aren't doing this). This isn't done until we start seeing the games we expect there getting published back to the platform. Maidens of St. Michael will probably be a good bellwether, since you can bet MG wants to get it back on there ASAP and is just waiting on Steam. If you see it on Steam, maybe there's some progress. If not, then everybody's almost certainly still stuck in this same crappy situation we've been in for the past half a year or so. Regardless, you certainly shouldn't get your hopes up for KonoSora or other Pulltop releases. I doubt they have any interest, on their own side, of releasing the full versions of their games, and even if they do, god only knows what quality we'll get with their translation agency roulette game. Lastly... this is all kind of irrelevant to the OP's topic! At least, it is unless you think having the uncensored versions available on Steam will make a big difference in sales or revenue, which I honestly kind of doubt. Its finally starting to happen..hope its first of many to follow.. Twitter Post PS: I also noticed that steam doesn't allow you to open this VNs store page without logging in..its gives an error stating that to view this content you need to be logged into your steam account.. Interesting..but i am glad none the less Edited September 11, 2018 by Wildbreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstan Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Hmm... interesting. But rather surprising - and there's no way to predict how long will it last. OTOH I'd be little sad if all-ages versions would completely dissapear... I think it would be best if just both versions could be available directly on Steam - like, with +18 patches as "normal" Steam DLCs. After all, even some fan-TL projects have all-ages options added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okarin Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Hmmm, I think it's not gonna happen. Steam can't really afford to be flooded with adult games. It has its share of violent games, but everyone knows sex is regarded worse than violence in the West. The previous outrages should give you plenty of material to think how Steam regards explicit games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakauchuujin Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Okarin said: Hmmm, I think it's not gonna happen. Steam can't really afford to be flooded with adult games. It has its share of violent games, but everyone knows sex is regarded worse than violence in the West. The previous outrages should give you plenty of material to think how Steam regards explicit games. I would say the chance is pretty good for sexual content to be accepted considering that Neglige love stories got through, though whether loli VNs or VNs with characters who aren't clearly 18+ will be accepted might be a more interesting question. Edited September 11, 2018 by bakauchuujin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plk_Lesiak Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) So, Dharker apparently got final thumbs up to publish their new eroge with all content intact. It's hard to say how explicit it will actually be, but if it follows the first game closely, it's going to at least contain a bunch of fully-explicit f/f sex scenes - and considering that some of the heroines are bisexual (two of them, if I remember well) and the screenshots, we might even get some straight hentai too. If that's true... Well, this would be unlike anything Steam even considered allowing in the past. Edited September 11, 2018 by Plk_Lesiak Antera and GuyInDogSuit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okarin Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Hey, don't bring over your Asian debauchery to a clean place like Steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbreed Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Okarin said: Hmmm, I think it's not gonna happen. Steam can't really afford to be flooded with adult games. It has its share of violent games, but everyone knows sex is regarded worse than violence in the West. The previous outrages should give you plenty of material to think how Steam regards explicit games. You need to take into consideration that steam is a global storefront..and not exclusive to Western Countries.. with this.. Chinese and Japanese and other Asian Developers can Publish their VNs on steam for their audiences as well.. you can already see so many Chinese Only VNs on steam if you search for it.. Monobeno etc.. Also Witcher 3 which has its fair share sexual content is not tagged as "Adults only" but rather "Nudity and sex" since even thou it has sex it doesn't actually show the explicit body parts like penetration etc.. This VN on the other hand shows everything and as a result is tagged under "adults Only".. Plus if you read their twitter post steam actually properly analysed their VN and gave them the full go ahead..its not like it was AI approved Edited September 11, 2018 by Wildbreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstan Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 I think I played one or two Dharker VNs - "Army gals" I think? It had ridiculous amount of bad endings And "Battle girls". But I'm not too proud of it, so they aren't on my VNDB list (actually, the only EVN there is Katawa Shoujo). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okarin Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) But Steam is Western-based and abides by Western law. Besides, probably the most restrictive outlook would apply, very much like Nintendo censors everything outside Japan. Sex in Western games like Mass Effect, Dragon age and Witcher is pretty tame. Eroge and nukige can go much further. Edited September 11, 2018 by Okarin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hetzer123 Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) . Edited October 2, 2019 by Hetzer123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plk_Lesiak Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Just now, adamstan said: I think I played one or two Dharker VNs - "Army gals" I think? It had ridiculous amount of bad endings And "Battle girls". But I'm not too proud of it, so they aren't on my VNDB list (actually, the only EVN there is Katawa Shoujo). Dharker are generally shit peddlers, but I think the significance of this has little to do with the game itself. Or, at least, the quality of it. ;p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okarin Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) I don't think we'll reach a satisfying solution, as 18+ content is just the tip of the iceberg with eroge/nukige. I certainly don't want to read endless vanilla H-scenes, I don't mind if they're axed. And the "spicier" content won't probably make it. The heroines' age is certainly laughable, if they're worried of underage sex the majority of games should be censored because the heroines being legal adults is just a lie, happening in high school and whatnot. Let's just face it, fetish eroge are niche and need to stay that way. This Negligee looks like a Western LGBT game (more than yuri really), and it kinda seems Steam is more readily to accept this than the Asian way of tackling sex... and fetishes. Edited September 11, 2018 by Okarin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okarin Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) Going by VNDB, it seems that all heroines are lesbians (there are no men involved) and all it has is girl-on-girl sex. And pretty vanilla, too. Probably Steam doesn't want to shock anyone yet. EDIT: The above is for the first game Edited September 11, 2018 by Okarin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbreed Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 27 minutes ago, Okarin said: Hmmm, I think it's not gonna happen. Steam can't really afford to be flooded with adult games. It has its share of violent games, but everyone knows sex is regarded worse than violence in the West. The previous outrages should give you plenty of material to think how Steam regards explicit games. Well Negligee can be an example of how one can publish a Nukige on steam..like Tenioha..Tenioha has Vanilla sex and is way lighter than This VN which has Rape and Prostitution.. still it got the Go ahead after being properly reviewed.. However most companies like Nekonyan etc.. would prefer to release an All ages version.. and all the Adult Content as an extra DLC on the VNs store page..that way everyone gets what they want..without much hassle For someone who has chosen to allow adult content will get the DLC by simple choosing to Install it.. and for those who have filtered out adult content will get message like" 1 DLC hidden due to your preferences" and will be behind a warning wall like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstan Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Wildbreed said: release an All ages version.. and all the Adult Content as an extra DLC on the VNs store page..that way everyone gets what they want..without much hassle Yeah, as a player I'd prefer it this way too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okarin Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Oh, don't be naïve; the companies will probably still want to charge extra for the adult patch, especially if we allow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbreed Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Okarin said: Oh, don't be naïve; the companies will probably still want to charge extra for the adult patch, especially if we allow it. As far as i know only SP does that.. Mangagamer used to do it but they stopped and started giving out free patches..Plus my Opinion of SP is falling with their every release...if only they had not taken up those 2 yuzusoft VNs The main reason i prefer steam is because its regionally priced..and SP uncut patches sometimes cost more than the base game on steam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hetzer123 Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) . Edited October 2, 2019 by Hetzer123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okarin Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) Actually I prefer to buy in dollars since my currency is the euro. Though Steam sales are good, they aren't that good when it comes to VNs. I mean, in some months FF15, released this year, has been at 50%. To see that in a VN we have to wait ages. But, localisation companies' sales in their stores is heavenly. Besides, this is the proper way, as you give the full value of your money to them. Edited September 11, 2018 by Okarin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Have to finish the original one tbh, from What I played It wasn't half bad, Just nothing Special, though the CG art was quite good and the Yuri not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakauchuujin Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Well here is their mature content description Negligee: Love Stories features story-lines that frequently include sexual themes and through them illustrations featuring nudity, undressing and sexual interactions. Including single partner and multiple partner imagery. Sexual interactions between men and women as well as women and women are depicted. The game also features a story relating to nymphomania. From this it seems like it will include sex between men and women not just yuri, also considering one of the stories relates to nymphomania I would assume that it isn't super vanilla Antera and Plk_Lesiak 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okarin Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Probably vanilla nymphomania ^^ As seen in one of Crescendo's routes, most likely. This is still Western through and through. And seems to have 0 fetishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbreed Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Okarin said: Actually I prefer to buy in dollars since my currency is the euro. Though Steam sales are good, they aren't that good when it comes to VNs. I mean, in some months FF15, released this year, has been at 50%. To see that in a VN we have to wait ages. But, localisation companies' sales in their stores is heavenly. Besides, this is the proper way, as you give the full value of your money to them. Well it depends on the region you're from , For me its almost 50% cheaper on steam compared to their private storefront.. However last few VNs ive had to purchase them directly from the company since they were not releasing on steam due to all that approval fiasco. As far as Nekonyan goes i dont mind buying directly from their store since their VNs are guaranteed good.. but for those VNs that ive not heard off i would rather not take the risk.. more over i prefer local payment methods offered on steam in my region which even includes..Cash on Delivery .. But i mostly use Debit cards and local wallets..since my local wallet always has cash in it due to various cashback offers etc.. This is one of the main reason why sometimes people prefer steam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakauchuujin Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Well I don't think it will be nearly as fetish heavy as a fetish nukige, though I would assume that it is a bit more fetish heavy than a lot of non nukige eroge. To know what happens in regard to fetish nukige I guess we just have to look at whether cherrykissgames get harem guild on steam without a patch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbreed Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) Well Fully Uncut and Unedited versions of Hello Lady, Aokana etc ending up on steam is now a real possibility and one i wish turns out to be true.. Edited September 11, 2018 by Wildbreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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