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It's Official, Almost 1 Year After it's Release Subarashiki Hibi One of the Best VN Ever Made Didn't Sell

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6 hours ago, EroHataVNI said:

No Lesiak. I disagree. The whole marketing was a disaster as a whole, because they didn't even advertise the darker side of the game in the kickstarter beforehand, which also just barely made it because of the die-hard fans and the shills who conveyed the message that this game is the next coming of jesus. I read it fully and i was blown away by it, but after reading different VNs that what flashed me earlier felt so incredible felt incredibly washed away. Anyways, it was advertised as a yurigame based on the screenshots on steam and the games description was abysmal. They could've shown darker (not porny) pictures and screenshots in the steam showcase, but they decided not to and got burnt for it. I still assume this was planned because the game teaches you to look beyond superficiality, and use that as a plot/marketing element. Well, we can say that it definitely failed.

It's not that good of a VN, unless you understand the deep notions of how the characters display different types of personalities. It depends on which point in your eroge career you read this game. As a novice you will get blown away because you haven't seen anything like it before, but delve into the denpagenre (ex. Sayonara o Oshiete) and consume other darker stories, and you see where subahibi falls flat on its face. And all kinds of philosophical infodropping doesn't help sewing up the issues either.

Also the main problem with the sales was that everyone who was interested in Subahibi at this point pirated it already.



If you want to know how abysmal that description was:

Sounds like a Pulltop Moege to me, especially because of the Summer Triangle thing, a theme that has been completely drained by a platitude of different moege before.

So you can compare this as them kickstarting what appears to be a regular moege or charage? but turning into the girls getting seduced and drilled by your their teacher in chapter three and onwards?

Never make something out to be anything other than what it is. It can burn ones reputation to ashes pretty quickly if it's bad enough.

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On 6.2.2019 at 11:12 PM, Plk_Lesiak said:

It's more like an artefact of the time when it was released. Steam didn't allow 18+ content back then and didn't allow the published to link the 18+ patches on the Steam store page or discussion threads. It, indeed, only added to the confusion from the already poorly-handled release, but I wouldn't be worried about anything being deleted etc., the game was released a while ago.

And well, I didn't play Subahibi, but from what I know it's not anywhere close to euphoria, at least when it goes to the amount of h-content. It's not a fetish/porn game with a story attached to it, but a story-driven one with some porn in it and even if the hentai scenes in it can be extreme, they are so for storytelling purposes, rather than as fapping material.

I just find it pretty weird that they can put something up for sale on Steam that is simply not a complete game without the patch. From what I read here huge parts of the VN are missing without the patch. Yet nothing is said about it on the store page. I find that kinda shocking because I will now always wonder if I really buy a WHOLE game when I buy a game on Steam. I guess from now I will have to inform myself about the products before buying something there.

And this is quite a different thing than a few h-scenes missing that are just there for fan service

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2 minutes ago, AustriaVNFan said:

I just find it pretty weird that they can put something up for sale on Steam that is simply not a complete game without the patch. From what I read here huge parts of the VN are missing without the patch. Yet nothing is said about it on the store page. I find that kinda shocking because I will now always wonder if I really buy a WHOLE game when I buy a game on Steam. I guess from now I will have to inform myself about the products before buying something there.

And this is quite a different thing than a few h-scenes missing that are just there for fan service

Yeah dude. Just imagine buying the game for 20 bucks, not applying the patch and misunderstanding why everyone hypes it when it is just a barely 5 hour long yuri. And then getting told...dude you haven't seen the missing 45 hours of content yet. Horrible marketing tbh. And even if you know that there is a patch, you will be misled by the purpose of said patch. You'll just think that it uncensors/demosaics the few ecchi scenes - instead it unlocks 95% of the game LOL

 

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Ok. I really do want to read this, but the sexual themes are acting like some repellent. Well, im fine with most, but rape/ntr are the things i dont want in serious stories. Rape is bearable when its obviously terrible for the heroine, but if she starts enjoying it and cuming over and over etc, then its fetish shit and not for me. Is this a vn i should even bother with?

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2 hours ago, Stormwolf said:

Ok. I really do want to read this, but the sexual themes are acting like some repellent. Well, im fine with most, but rape/ntr are the things i dont want in serious stories. Rape is bearable when its obviously terrible for the heroine, but if she starts enjoying it and cuming over and over etc, then its fetish shit and not for me. Is this a vn i should even bother with?

It's hard to say. Out of the top of my head, I can only remember one relatively short NTR scene. Also, another h-scene that follows directly after that will probably piss you off just as much. Both of these scenes are with this character:

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Other than that, I think it should be fine. Even though I personally didn't like how much fetishistic sex there is in this VN, since these scenes tend to be too long and completely break the pacing, almost all of them serve some purpose in the narration. There're a lot of rape scenes, but they are always disturbing, just like they should be.

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And I would like to remind to everyone that we have another thread dedicated to this VN:

Discussions about the game itself and not its sales will probably be more appropriate there.

Edit. Actually, according to VNDB definition, it's not even NTR.

Edited by Dreamysyu

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1 hour ago, Dreamysyu said:

It's hard to say. Out of the top of my head, I can only remember one relatively short NTR scene. Also, another h-scene that follows directly after that will probably piss you off just as much. Both of these scenes are with this character:

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Other than that, I think it should be fine. Even though I personally didn't like how much fetishistic sex there is in this VN, since these scenes tend to be too long and completely break the pacing, almost all of them serve some purpose in the narration. There're a lot of rape scenes, but they are always disturbing, just like they should be.

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And I would like to remind to everyone that we have another thread dedicated to this VN:

Discussions about the game itself and not its sales will probably be more appropriate there.

I dont mind if its side heroines etc, but if we have a fixed protagonist and heroine and she has a ntr scene then ill hard pass the vn into eternity. Record of gancrest war is an anime with an exact scenario like that with a side heroine, yes it annoyed me greatly but it didnt ruin the anime.

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23 minutes ago, Stormwolf said:

I dont mind if its side heroines etc, but if we have a fixed protagonist and heroine and she has a ntr scene then ill hard pass the vn into eternity.

Actually, I looked up NTR definition on VNDB, and I realized that I was completely wrong. That scene doesn't qualify. Some minor spoilers:

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That character is not sexually involved with the protagonist in any way. In that scene she makes a married man to have sex with her.

IF we are talking about actual NTR, then where's nothing like that in Subahibi.

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1 hour ago, Dreamysyu said:

Actually, I looked up NTR definition on VNDB, and I realized that I was completely wrong. That scene doesn't qualify. Some minor spoilers:

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That character is not sexually involved with the protagonist in any way. In that scene she makes a married man to have sex with her.

IF we are talking about actual NTR, then where's nothing like that in Subahibi.

People definite it very differently though. Personally i consider it NTR if the girl fucks a guy before getting into a relationship with the protagonist. Many don't. But it's good if it's not any of that.

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