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18 hours ago, Jun Inoue said:

Same old, same old, really. Although, irl, my country is kind of in the middle of breaking down into madness and fighting. But that's exciting in its own way, I guess!

How about you?

Relatable. 

 

Turkey just voted to legalize imam-made marriages, which have historically been used to marry very young girls to adult men. Extensively so. 

The government claims that the new legislation will cut down on illegal imam marriages, but will that work? Of fucking course not lol

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3 hours ago, Funyarinpa said:

Relatable. 

 

Turkey just voted to legalize imam-made marriages, which have historically been used to marry very young girls to adult men. Extensively so. 

The government claims that the new legislation will cut down on illegal imam marriages, but will that work? Of fucking course not lol

Turkey is truly lovely, these past few years.

Here, the Spanish government is getting ready to implement the 155 article of the constitution, seizing our government and all of its functions, in order to stop the seditious break-away.

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37 minutes ago, Jun Inoue said:

Turkey is truly lovely, these past few years.

Here, the Spanish government is getting ready to implement the 155 article of the constitution, seizing our government and all of its functions, in order to stop the seditious break-away.

Portugal will, of course, take the chance to go and conquer Spain, since that's the thing to do here in the Iberian Peninsula every time a country is in civil war.

 

Wait, that may be ever so slightly outdated.

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4 hours ago, Funyarinpa said:

Relatable. 

 

Turkey just voted to legalize imam-made marriages, which have historically been used to marry very young girls to adult men. Extensively so. 

The government claims that the new legislation will cut down on illegal imam marriages, but will that work? Of fucking course not lol

Of course there will be a cut down on illegal imam marriages if those marriages are made legal, lol. But I know what you mean, it won't do jack shit to deal with the child-adult marriages.

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7 minutes ago, Mr Poltroon said:

Portugal will, of course, take the chance to go and conquer Spain, since that's the thing to do here in the Iberian Peninsula every time a country is in civil war.

 

Wait, that may be ever so slightly outdated.

Might be for the better. Spain does need some change very desperately :makina:

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13 hours ago, Ouraibaa Hjyuraa said:

Which reforms would that be?

Namely anything that can prevent needless loss of life. For the most recent attack in Vegas, it probably would've been best to ban sales of automatic and semi-auto weapons. For others, better-enforced background checks, universal background checks, mandated training for concealed carry permits, maintaining records of gun sales, etc. Just basic common sense stuff.

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4 hours ago, Kenshin_sama said:

Namely anything that can prevent needless loss of life. 

Like how people propose the banning of trucks and vans in some European countries? Let's ban knives, too.

 

4 hours ago, Kenshin_sama said:

For the most recent attack in Vegas, it probably would've been best to ban sales of automatic and semi-auto weapons.

That would go against the 2nd Amendment. Besides, the dude was rich. It'd hardly have stopped him.

 

4 hours ago, Kenshin_sama said:

For others, better-enforced background checks, universal background checks

He passed all of those. Those also didn't stop the Sandy Hook kid, who had a history of mental illness, from getting hold of a gun.

 

4 hours ago, Kenshin_sama said:

maintaining records of gun sales

This is actually unconstitutional to enforce for criminals. The Supreme Court ruled that making a felon register their illegal weapons was a violation of their 5th right to not self incriminate. All gun registration laws have to contain a carve out stating they only apply to those who lawfully posses their guns.

Besides, every country in the world who has such a database has proven that is does not prevent gun crime, just criminalizes law abiding gun owners. Canada dumped just such a program because of this.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Ouraibaa Hjyuraa said:

Like how people propose the banning of trucks and vans in some European countries? Let's ban knives, too.

Did I ever suggest banning guns completely? I would absolutely love it if guns were regulated as much as trucks and vans.

2 hours ago, Ouraibaa Hjyuraa said:

That would go against the 2nd Amendment. Besides, the dude was rich. It'd hardly have stopped him.

Not necessarily. When a case was brought to the Supreme Court regarding the ban on semi-automatic weapons in Connecticut, they refused to hear it, and the ban was allowed to remain (Shew v. Malloy). There was a case in New York for the same kind of repeal, but that was ignored as well (Kampfer v. Cuomo). As with the 1st, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee unlimited freedom in the area it protects (The 1st Amendment doesn't cover obscenity, fighting words, defamation, child porn, incitement to lawless action, real threats, solicitations to commit crimes).

As for whether or not it would've helped, I'm inclined to believe it would've. The shooter was a reasonably sane person who just so happened to snap that day (his motives are still unknown), so I don't think he would've committed any kind of crime in purchasing illegal weapons.

2 hours ago, Ouraibaa Hjyuraa said:

He passed all of those. Those also didn't stop the Sandy Hook kid, who had a history of mental illness, from getting hold of a gun.

Not quite universal, and there are still workarounds to even further decrease their effectiveness. Also, the Justice Department under the Obama Administration was incredibly lenient on prosecuting people for falsifying background check information (fewer than 1% actually get prosecuted).

The NICS is still very poorly funded, so the laws passed for background checks are almost completely ineffective. They have the ability to work as intended, but they lack the funding.

2 hours ago, Ouraibaa Hjyuraa said:

This is actually unconstitutional to enforce for criminals. The Supreme Court ruled that making a felon register their illegal weapons was a violation of their 5th right to not self incriminate. All gun registration laws have to contain a carve out stating they only apply to those who lawfully posses their guns.

Besides, every country in the world who has such a database has proven that is does not prevent gun crime, just criminalizes law abiding gun owners. Canada dumped just such a program because of this.

Not after D.C. v. Heller.

 

"Because Heller conceded at oral argument that the D. C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home."

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

Canada saw a 41% drop in long-gun homicides from 1995 (when the registration was introduced) to 2010. I'm pretty sure it worked very well for them, and that it was scrapped for political gain.

If someone's gun was used in a murder, and the owner didn't make a reasonable attempt to secure it, the owner should be held responsible. My step-father was a hardcore gun enthusiast and a longtime member of the NRA, but he was highly responsible with his guns and always kept them in a safe when he wasn't using them.

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The simple solution to the gun problem is to just get rid of all the guns and start using swords. Think about it, swords are much cooler and if everyone had one we would get a bad ass sword fight if anyone tried to go on a rampage.

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The problem with guns in the USA is a matter of culture, not of law enforcments, as long as it's part of the cultural legacy of the USA to glorify...no sorry, overglorify weapons and wars and soldiers, the gun problem will still exist, no matter what, that is why you won't rule out these things just by putting new laws to prohibit weapons or regulate them, remember prohibition.

Also it's kinda weird how americans stick to their constitution like it's a religious book sent by some sort of god, it's a fucking book of rules writen in the past, in an era where.

Bazookas, machineguns, bombs, tanks, assault rifles, grenade launchers, missiles didn't exist, the second amendment was strictly made by thinking of ancient weaponry : aka single-shot rifles, single-shot pistols, bayonets, swords, muskets, tomahawk...etc

 

 

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9 hours ago, Kurisu-Chan said:

The problem with guns in the USA is a matter of culture, not of law enforcments, as long as it's part of the cultural legacy of the USA to glorify...no sorry, overglorify weapons and wars and soldiers, the gun problem will still exist, no matter what, that is why you won't rule out these things just by putting new laws to prohibit weapons or regulate them, remember prohibition.

I'm not sure what you mean. How does over-glorification of guns cause gun problems, and how would it continue to do so despite regulations? (not that regulations would work anyway, imo)

9 hours ago, Kurisu-Chan said:

Also it's kinda weird how americans stick to their constitution like it's a religious book

It's treated that way because it's what guarantees them their rights.

 

9 hours ago, Kurisu-Chan said:

Bazookas, machineguns, bombs, tanks, assault rifles, grenade launchers, missiles didn't exist, the second amendment was strictly made by thinking of ancient weaponry : aka single-shot rifles, single-shot pistols, bayonets, swords, muskets, tomahawk...etc

I've always found this to be a silly argument. When the Constitutions was written, it wasn't uncommon for citizens to own cannons. And there was a TON of advancement in firearm weaponry during the past couple hundred years, going from matchlock to wheellock to flintlock. Not to mention that multiple-shot guns had already existed for 200 years, with the 8-chambered matchlock revolver made in Germany. The earliest known "Machine gun" is the Puckle Gun from 1718. Another repeater design that could shoot 20 shots in 5 seconds was commissioned by Continental Congress in 1777, though it was rescinded when the price proved disagreeable.

The right to bear arms exists so as to avoid a tyrannical government who could hold down its people by force. However deadly weapons become doesn't change that, unless you think it sensible to fight government soldiers armed with assault rifles while only using a musket. And if you think "naaaah, that could never happen in the U.S.!" I'd like to point out that the Jews of Germany probably felt the same way back after WW1. A tyrannical government is always a possibility.

 

It's easy to blame guns, but if we go just half a century back in time, it doesn't really hold up. Guns were infinitely easier to get in the 60s. Go into any hardware store you liked, come out with a gun. Hell, high schools used to have shooting ranges and rifle training! When the first school shooting in modern times occurred in 1966 at Texas University, professors at the school left their classrooms, went out to their cars, took out rifles, and started laying suppressing fire at the sniper, stopping him from getting any more kills. Guns were so common in the 60s that professors had them just lying in their car trunks. Yet the 60s had nowhere near the problems with gun violence that today does, despite the much higher availability for guns. Hell, going slightly earlier than that, up until the 1930s, you can mail order a machine gun, no questions asked. No background checks, no nothing.

 Plano, Texas, has the highest amount of guns per capita in the U.S., yet one of the lowest rates of gun violence per capita and in fact has less homicide per capita than most European countries, most of which has nowhere near as many guns. The amount of guns in the U.S. from 1994 to 2011 increased by nearly a third, while the homicide rate dropped by nearly 50%.

The problem with gun violence today is not due to the guns. Its due to the lack of proper police enforcement and societal breakdown of morality (which is mostly due to the family breakdown. In fact, if you normalize by single-motherhood in the black community, the crime rate virtually disappears.). If we got rid of guns, the source of the problem would just find another outlet. Japan has a lot fewer guns than the U.S., but instead they have people poisoning the air in subways. On the other hand, in Switzerland nearly every grown man owns a gun, yet they have the lowest homicide rate in the world.

 

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