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Actually, this looks vastly more interesting than those Sono Hanabira yuri shovelware titles. The art is really stylish and somehow reminds me a bit of Liar-soft's Steampunk titles. The story sounds interesting and with mystery and suspense 3.0 tags on VNDB it seems to be right up my alley.

Somehow completely missed its release though - the title wasn't really on my radar for some reason.

I might even pick that up as one of my next story titles. There aren't a lot of other story titles I'm interested in left anyway, and Aoshiro already proved to me that yuri stitles can be pretty decent story titles too. Such a shame that Flowers was so disappointing (at least the first part).

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Nice review and indeed needed as I completely missed this release. However there is one thing, which puzzles me. It's an all age title and nothing in the review indicates it to be a romantic title, yet you mention it as yuri. Are you sure you don't mean otome (female protagonist) and not yuri? (romantic and/or sexual relationship between females)

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13 minutes ago, tymmur said:

Nice review and indeed needed as I completely missed this release. However there is one thing, which puzzles me. It's an all age title and nothing in the review indicates it to be a romantic title, yet you mention it as yuri. Are you sure you don't mean otome (female protagonist) and not yuri? (romantic and/or sexual relationship between females)

That will depend on your definitions. 'otome' implies to me a female protagonist with a number of male love interests (or majorly male cast) while 'yuri' implies a female protagonist with female love interests (or a majorly female cast).

There are a lot of 'yuri' or 'shoujo ai' stories which are so called simply because the cast is mostly girls interacting with each other.
If indeed this VN has no romance at all, there is no explicit need to call it yuri, it is simply a VN, but it doesn't look inaccurate either, going by the characters.

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Shoujo Ai

This game contains romance between girls.
Please note that this does not necessarily mean that there are any sexual scenes, for that use the Yuri tag.

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Otome Game

A game with a female protagonist, with the central focus on developing a relationship with one or more male characters. These games are usually aimed at a female audience, such as Tokimeki Memorial Girls' Side.

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Yuri

There are sex scenes involving two (or possibly more) females.

Looks to me like the VNDB definitions will call it Shoujo Ai, not Otome or Yuri. In other words I was right to get puzzled by yuri, but pointing to otome was a mistake as well. I thought otome just mean female protagonist, meaning a yuri title with no males at all would also be an otome game, but apparently that is not the case.

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1 hour ago, tymmur said:

Looks to me like the VNDB definitions will call it Shoujo Ai, not Otome or Yuri. In other words I was right to get puzzled by yuri, but pointing to otome was a mistake as well. I thought otome just mean female protagonist, meaning a yuri title with no males at all would also be an otome game, but apparently that is not the case.

The distinction between shoujo-ai and yuri as it's used on VNDB is a very technical/artificial one, at least nowadays. Most people will consider any VN with primarily GxG romance or even romantic subtext between female cast a "yuri", while many western otome will have some female/female romance routes. Outside of database environment where such clear distintions are necessary, actual boundaries are much less clear. 

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32 minutes ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

The distinction between shoujo-ai and yuri as it's used on VNDB is a very technical/artificial one, at least nowadays. Most people will consider any VN with primarily GxG romance or even romantic subtext between female cast a "yuri", while many western otome will have some female/female romance routes. Outside of database environment where such clear distintions are necessary, actual boundaries are much less clear. 

I basically went with this distinction here. I believe it would be common to consider this "yuri". As this is an all-ages title and there is no explicit sexual content, shoujo-ai may be more appropriate. (At least by VNDB standards.) However, I assure you there is romance involved.

23 minutes ago, solidbatman said:

any pancakes?

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2 minutes ago, shcboomer said:

However, I assure you there is romance involved.

Yeah... *Plk_Lesiak's backlog, already on the brink of imploding under its own weight, screams in agony at the addition of another title*

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2 minutes ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

Yeah... *Plk_Lesiak's backlog, already on the brink of imploding under its own weight, screams in agony at the addition of another title*

Just call me. I have plenty of space to rent, even for heavy items. Hey we all have to make a living somehow.

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9 minutes ago, shcboomer said:

However, I assure you there is romance involved.

That actually sounds interesting. Romance and at the same time they all fight each other for the one spot of regaining life. Sounds like that could end up with some conflicts of interest within the protagonist.

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I had zero expectations in this one, but you literally made me put Higurashi on hold so I can read Fatal Twelve!

Just a question: the problem with the voiced lines is that the wrong audio plays in some lines, or is that there are voiced lines without text?

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19 hours ago, Silvz said:

I had zero expectations in this one, but you literally made me put Higurashi on hold so I can read Fatal Twelve!

Just a question: the problem with the voiced lines is that the wrong audio plays in some lines, or is that there are voiced lines without text?

Usually, it's the line playing out of sync with the text. Either ahead or behind. Reloading a save fixes it the majority of the time.

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18 minutes ago, shcboomer said:

Usually, it's the line playing out of sync with the text. Either ahead or behind. Reloading a save fixes it the majority of the time.

That's weird. Usually when there are voice problems, it's a script problem where the line points to the wrong audio file. If it goes out of sync and you can save, play a bit with it out of sync, then reload and the same lines are now in sync, it points towards an engine problem. I can't remember ever hearing about an issue on the engine level before. It's usually a fairly simple process to link which text and voice file to play at the same time. Sounds to me like the engine is doing this overly complex where it loads a queue and then the control code is buggy. Usually it's a good idea to keep everything as simple as possible as it leaves less stuff to break and do weird stuff like this.

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3 hours ago, tymmur said:

That's weird. Usually when there are voice problems, it's a script problem where the line points to the wrong audio file. If it goes out of sync and you can save, play a bit with it out of sync, then reload and the same lines are now in sync, it points towards an engine problem. I can't remember ever hearing about an issue on the engine level before. It's usually a fairly simple process to link which text and voice file to play at the same time. Sounds to me like the engine is doing this overly complex where it loads a queue and then the control code is buggy. Usually it's a good idea to keep everything as simple as possible as it leaves less stuff to break and do weird stuff like this.

It was something along the lines of https://steamcommunity.com/games/620210/announcements/detail/1648755467424909863

Not sure if it was mismatched lines or a deeper engine problem. I think it only happened to me twice. Both times I just either went back lines as suggested or reloaded an older save.

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