phantomJS Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) I just read through this review by Clephas. As a Yuzusoft fanboy, having played through Riiddle Joker's trail and agreeing with most of what the review said, got me thinking about Yuzusoft current position and situation. Personally, I thought that perhaps Yuzusoft needs to change things up pretty soon as their titles are starting to become stale. Almost all of their games have u as a high-school aged boy chasing after similarly aged girls. Also, Riddle Joker gives off serious Dracu-Riot vibes to me. Seems to be a sign that Yuzusoft are running out of ideas. Saw the game on Michi's blog previously when it was just announced, and without bothering to check through the story thoroughly, I actually thought the protagonist is going to infiltrate a organisation as a superpowered-undercover agent along with some female colleagues, and will get entangled with heroines which are within the organisation. I think that would have made a far more interesting premises for the game instead and would had been a great change of pace that was sorely needed (or perhaps they can make a reverse situation of Amairo Islenauts and instead of a adult guy chasing after school girls, you can be a school boy chasing adult teachers. Personally I would love to do so on teachers drawn in their gorgeous artwork ) I'm just curious; what do you guys think of the current state of Yuzusoft and their VNs? Edited April 2, 2018 by phantomJS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clephas Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Mmm... it feels more to me like their writers and producers are running out of ideas. Ayase's route proves they can still do the serious stuff reasonably well, and so I would like to see them do another chuunige, since I enjoyed ExE at the time. I would also like to see shorter and smaller numbers of h-scenes, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsuki Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 I still enjoy their their titles, and I honestly couldn't care less about other people's review and stuff. I do agree that Riddle Joker is fairly similar to Dracu-Riot though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMN Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 yuzusoft is kami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norleas Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Yuzusoft could do any shit that they want and they will still be top sellers, so they will be sticking with the fantasy charage formula, even though it is already saturated and losing quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormwolf Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Super forgettable vns. Atleast Noble works and Dracu riot. Fiddle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchhamilton Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 cant really say, sadly. read only 2 of them and one i had to drop and one im looking forward to being fully released, dracu-riot. i like their sprite style of animation. its not like smooth animation but it still does a great job with conveying the expressions of the characters. one of my favorite methods of sprite animation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clephas Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Norleas said: Yuzusoft could do any shit that they want and they will still be top sellers, so they will be sticking with the fantasy charage formula, even though it is already saturated and losing quality. Charage in general are at saturation levels... the real problem is that they've been reduced to rehashing the same ideas with 'new twists'. That's never a good sign for any company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomJS Posted April 2, 2018 Author Share Posted April 2, 2018 6 hours ago, Norleas said: Yuzusoft could do any shit that they want and they will still be top sellers, so they will be sticking with the fantasy charage formula, even though it is already saturated and losing quality. Someone at VNDB said Yuzusoft is currently the top seller of VN in JP (wow...). Is this true? O.O... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norleas Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Clephas said: Charage in general are at saturation levels... the real problem is that they've been reduced to rehashing the same ideas with 'new twists'. That's never a good sign for any company. I dare to say that visual novels regardless of sub genre are saturated, it's been a while since the last time that i looked into a new release and see something "new", the medium need fresh air, but how? I dunno. 4 hours ago, phantomJS said: Someone at VNDB said Yuzusoft is currently the top seller of VN in JP (wow...). Is this true? O.O... I don't know exactly the numbers and rankings, but if that is true, it's not a surprise to me. All Yuzusoft games hit top 1 in the charts when released, Senren Banka for example, sold 45000 copies in the first month out, in 2016, only August have another title with that numbers. Other point is that they always have consistent sales, even big companies most of the time have a considerable fluctuation from one title to another, but to Yuzusoft that value is always something like 10%. So they are consistent, popular and have a loyal fan base, the perfect recipe to fabricate best sellers. Edited April 3, 2018 by Norleas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clephas Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, Norleas said: I dare to say that visual novels regardless of sub genre are saturated, it's been a while since the last time that i looked into a new release and see something "new", the medium need fresh air, but how? I dunno. I don't know exactly the numbers and rankings, but if that is true, it's not a surprise to me. All Yuzusoft games hit top 1 in the charts when released, Senren Banka for example, sold 45000 copies in the first month out, in 2016, only August have another title with that numbers that year. Other point is that they always have consistent sales, even big companies most of the time have a considerable fluctuation from one title to another, but to Yuzusoft that value is always something like 10%. So they are consistent, popular and have a loyal fan base, the perfect recipe to fabricate best sellers. That wouldn't surprise me, either... Yuzusoft's stuff generally reliably reaches a certain level of quality... Edit: To clarify, I've seen far worse VNs out there than Riddle Joker... but at the same time, it really isn't up to Yuzusoft's own standards. It has all the separate elements that make Yuzusoft VNs interesting, but it just isn't as good as most of the previous games by the company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomJS Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Norleas said: I don't know exactly the numbers and rankings, but if that is true, it's not a surprise to me. All Yuzusoft games hit top 1 in the charts when released, Senren Banka for example, sold 45000 copies in the first month out, in 2016, only August have another title with that numbers that year. Other point is that they always have consistent sales, even big companies most of the time have a considerable fluctuation from one title to another, but to Yuzusoft that value is always something like 10%. So they are consistent, popular and have a loyal fan base, the perfect recipe to fabricate best sellers. Guess this means they won't be changing things up anytime soon unless they are forced to (for example, if sales starts slowing down if they keep churing out the same stuff). It's a business after all. As a big fan of theirs, I hope this doesn't signal the beginning of a decline of Yuzusoft ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowItsAngeTime Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 19 hours ago, phantomJS said: Almost all of their games have u as a high-school aged boy chasing after similarly aged girls. The same could be said of almost all moege? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomJS Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, NowItsAngeTime said: The same could be said of almost all moege? Besides the point. Point is things in their title are starting to be abit stale (at least to me). Should probably try to change things up a bit And isn't their titles more charage than moege? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clephas Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 5 hours ago, phantomJS said: Guess this means they won't be changing things up anytime soon unless they are forced to (for example, if sales starts slowing down if they keep churing out the same stuff). It's a business after all. As a big fan of theirs, I hope this doesn't signal the beginning of a decline of Yuzusoft ... Speaking from experience with other companies, you'll see a much more drastic fall in quality than this before a company seriously begins to decline. Tokyo Babel's emergence after Evolimit is often remarked upon as a last effort to squeeze the writer before his contract ended, which is probably why the human drama and humor isn't as good as the earlier games by that writer. Yuzusoft, unlike most companies that put out large games, gets enough back from raw sales to justify regular releases. As a result, they are more likely to take fan reactions seriously when they release the next game. Why? Because financially healthy companies are more likely to pay attention when something looks to present a threat to the future health of the company. Because Yuzusoft has, in the past, avoided excessive patterning in its stories (even if the H and ichaicha is patterned down to the last detail), they've always had a higher retention rate than many other charage companies (you can usually depend on seven or eight new charage companies popping up then dying after a single release each year). They have a definite 'style', but if you look at their past releases, they've avoided essentially writing the same game over and over. Classic charage, fantasy charage, chuunige, ojousama-ge... they are a lot more flexible than the industry standard. For that reason, I think they are likely to bounce back. I think Riddle Joker is a fluke (or at least I hope it is). Companies that are more likely to die out are the ones that are over-focused on a single niche market (my beloved chuunige companies, for instance) or who have abandoned that flexibility. Of course, there are exceptions like AXL, which will probably be still making VNs in a similar style until their artist and writers have all retired, lol. phantomJS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweek91330 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Yuzusoft games tend to bore me, i always have the impression that i'm reading filler after filler... I dropped dracu-riot and Sanoba witch for those reasons and i don't plan to play any game from them anymore. Sure production is high quality, but those games are way too long and pretty bland for what they are IMO. And yes, they seems to sell very well, they are at the top of getchu yearly ranking. I don't see them decline anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomJS Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Tweek91330 said: Yuzusoft games tend to bore me, i always have the impression that i'm reading filler after filler... I dropped dracu-riot and Sanoba witch for those reasons and i don't plan to play any game from them anymore. Sure production is high quality, but those games are way too long and pretty bland for what they are IMO. And yes, they seems to sell very well, they are at the top of getchu yearly ranking. I don't see them decline anytime soon. I went to getchu's site to check their records. From 2012's Dracu-Riot all the way to 2016's Senren-Banka, they had the best-selling VN outisde of losing 2012 and 2013. Wow O.O..... 2012 Getchu Sales Chart 2013 Getchu Sales Chart 2015 Getchu Sales Chart 2016 Getchu Sales Chart Impressive, to say the least... Guess, like everyone here had said, we shouldn't expect big changes from Yuzusoft anytime soon... Btw does anyone knows how Riddle Joker is selling? Just curious to know Edited April 7, 2018 by phantomJS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweek91330 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) I don't really know, you can check on getchu too. For february : http://www.getchu.com/pc/salesranking201802.html For march : http://www.getchu.com/pc/salesranking201803.html I actually think that rance is still first so far. But Riddle Joker must be the 2nd best seller. Edit : Also, pretty unrelated to the thread, but i heard good things from the last ASA Project. Edited April 7, 2018 by Tweek91330 phantomJS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomJS Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 On 4/7/2018 at 10:10 PM, Tweek91330 said: Edit : Also, pretty unrelated to the thread, but i heard good things from the last ASA Project. https://forums.fuwanovel.net/blogs/entry/2298-kari-gurashi-renai/ Seems like you are right~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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