Never happened to you?

[Thyndd]

2 minutes ago, Kiriririri said:

Well tbh if you think about it they do have "questionable morals" because in western world porn is "taboo". Look at how many censored eroge we get. See how UK is banning online porn and forcing age verification system. See how weird some porn laws are in some countries. Too lazy to get better examples but it is true. 

Also some stuff quoted from Zalor that I felt like was his main point but IDK because I am not him.

 

Sure, morality is subjective and it greatly varies across regions and periods of time. However, what we can observe during this last century is an effort to make of ethics a more logical system, according to which there is nothing wrong in porn since it doesn't harm anyone. 

[tymmur]

To go back to the original question, why are person X in porn? I will assume it's likely for the same reason as why women becomes prostitutes.

 

There is obviously the case of needing the money. I read in the newspaper about a porn directory who had been flooded by applications from women, who had the choice between porn and losing the house. He blaming the politicians for creating a situation (specific new law) where he was unable to find suitable candidates, but that it was actually worse for the women, who had ended up being that desperate. He didn't talk kindly of the politicians who insisted that nobody would end up in a situation like that. Interestingly he declared he could not use women, who didn't want to do it, though I'm not certain all directors will have moral issues in that regard.

 

Then there is the people, who will do anything for money. It can easily be in addition to a normal job, meaning they end up with two incomes. This allows financing a lifestyle, which would be out of reach for the majority of people. It could also be because if they can pull off not doing any other job, they can be allowed to be lazy. Crime is another "popular" solution to reach an otherwise unreachable lifestyle.

 

The last reason is sex. I saw a study at some point that some women can't get enough sex. Apparently if you grow up being told that is your purpose in life and to be a good girl, you do stuff, then some of them stick to that approach as adults. Prostitution is then a tool to get 10 men each day and the fact that it provides an income is just a bonus.

 

There are other examples of upbringing gone wrong, like it's cute that all the adults have to look at a little girl dancing at every single gathering. It can then happen that they are displeased with not being in the center when they grow up and then to get back to get people to look at them, the tool becomes to drop cloth.

21 hours ago, Zalor said:

Because she is a whore. Trust me, don't idealize women. It will only hurt you in the long run. There are good girls out there, but even they are flawed humans.

That's spot on. Some people apparently don't like/get the direct message, but it's accurate. There are plenty of good girls out there, but there certainly are a number of demons and mentally disturbed ones. Men too as it's not about gender. I have to say that I understand girls complaining about creeps who tries to pick them up. I tried a girl approaching me like that. Well she didn't even try to pick me up, she basically just ordered me to sex and I was like "who are you?". It was at school and I didn't even know her name or class or anything. Later I learned who it was and she was basically just fishing for penis regardless of owner. It was actually rather disturbing to experience that.

 

Also whore basically means somebody who has sex for money. It fits the porn industry and there actually is an overlap because some porn "stars" also work on the street and that way acts as gateway for STDs. Not sure if they are high ranking, but it's happening and is apparently a big problem.

 

People yell about being free and just do it. Pick up a new girl every Friday night and whatever. However people acting like that are usually very loud, but not so big in numbers. I saw a survey on a college where they asked for sexual partners for the last year. Not only was the most common answer 0, more than 90% had 2 or less and if the person had two, both partners only had one. One was way more common than two. The remaining less than 10% were... well active. If one of them had an STD, they could all have it because it seemed like they swapped partners or just basically took what they could get.

 

Another survey was quoted in Futari Ecchi (read it if you haven't. It's one of the best mangas I have seen, though it's probably targeting age 25+). It asked adult women how many sexual partners they had had within their lifetime. More than half said 2 or less (0 not uncommon). Almost everybody had less than the average because the average was totally screwed by a few who had astronomical numbers.

 

So yeah there are women, who apparently want to do anything for sex, but they are most certainly a minority. Then again people doing porn are also a minority.

[ittaku]

Beautiful people can just as easily be dealt the same shit hand for life as ugly people.

[mitchhamilton]

4 hours ago, ittaku said:

Beautiful people can just as easily be dealt the same shit hand for life as ugly people.

i can confirm, i am very beautiful.  

[ittaku]

15 minutes ago, mitchhamilton said:

i can confirm, i am very beautiful.  

And I am ugly as sin and got dealt a royal flush.

[mitchhamilton]

6 hours ago, ittaku said:

And I am ugly as sin and got dealt a royal flush.

WHY DONT YOU ROYAL FLUSH THAT DOWN THE TOILET THEN?!  

[KainLegacy535]

On 16/3/2018 at 3:52 PM, mitchhamilton said:

she might actually like doing porn despite society looking down on it. not everyone goes into to porn because they have no other options. sometimes they genuinely want to do it.

That´s true.

[KainLegacy535]

On 16/3/2018 at 3:56 PM, Zander said:

It makes you wonder why someone so beautiful was doing that kind of job? Interesting.

In your opinion, one's physical attractiveness, which is largely determined from genetics, is what should determine one's career? God I hope you never rule anywhere I live, because I'd probably be a trash collector or something.

Haha, thats not was really my point, for, me she was the type of person that you see in paintings fof example, i mean she really look bashfull, when i said that she was too cute for being working in a porn i was trying to sai is " hey anyone can work anywhere; eh?" That being said: "one's physical attractiveness, which is largely determined from genetics, is what should determine one's career?" I will say, partially yes, there are some works that  that need to have good apperance.

[KainLegacy535]

On 16/3/2018 at 3:59 PM, Funyarinpa said:

To be fair, we are talking about an industry that operates pretty much exclusively on the basis of appearance.

As for your question KainLegacy, I'm not really surprised. It could be dire financial straits. It could be personal problems. It could be a display of confidence, or an outcry, or a way of rebellion.

We don't know, because like most other professions and occupations in life, people adopt different lifestyles for different reasons. Who are we to judge so long as they're not hurting anyone?

Not triying to judge here, i think everyone can do what they can and want, what it really strike me was my reacction, nothing else.

[KainLegacy535]

On 16/3/2018 at 4:26 PM, Soulless Watcher said:

I have had similar thoughts, although not exactly the same. I don't really consider working in porn a "bad end", sure it may be for some, but I just see it as another job with a unique set of perks and disadvantages.

I do wonder how working in this industry affects the "normal" parts of daily life. Like how much of the "equipment" can be written off as work expense in their taxes? 

I dont either, i was wondering " is that hard to find a good old and rich man to her to bang".

[KainLegacy535]

On 16/3/2018 at 4:30 PM, atorq said:

Not really, when someone really good looking is doing porn I'm only happy that I get to enjoy their full glorious naked beauty in best way possible besides in person. If only ugly people were doing porn I doubt it would be much of an industry, of course what is ugly is somewhat subjective.

Haha i get what you are saying, is not the first time that i find somemeone beautifull in a porn (as should be) but, that person really hit me hard, thats all.

[KainLegacy535]

On 16/3/2018 at 4:56 PM, Ranzo said:

Because it pays well?

In japan?

[KainLegacy535]

On 16/3/2018 at 4:56 PM, Plk_Lesiak said:

It's not a problem of opinions - attractive people have certain opportunities that other's don't. Obviously, being attractive have its downsides, but many many more upsides and woman that are naturally very attractive usually have career choices open to them that are much more appealing than porn (which is, after all, heavy physical work with myriad of health risks and heavy social stigma involved). That's why you can notice that, in general, porn actresses are either average at best, or after so heavy plastic surgery that you can't really tell how they looked before. I've also noticed more attractive actresses sticking to solo sexcams or lesbian porn, as both are much less hazardous. There are exceptions of course, just as there are many porn actresses that weren't driven into the industry by a poor material situation or other circumstances that took away their chances for a "better" career. But just like with prostitution, we shouldn't romanticize it too much (even if I also disagree with the general sentiment of the OP).

"But just like with prostitution, we shouldn't romanticize it too much", thats rigth men, i remember the first tme with a hooker, i was only thinking "say this and do that is only her job".

[KainLegacy535]

On 17/3/2018 at 5:29 AM, Zalor said:

It's not a derogatory statement about women. Porn stars are whores, that is literally their job. I am not at all implying that all women are whores, but whores are by definition whores. Think about it this way, would you want your sister or mother to work in the porn industry? Probably not right? Because it is degrading. Not just for them personally, but for their whole family. I was also implying that just because a woman is beautiful does not mean that her personality or morality matches that of her face. 

Good girls with moral standards deserve respect. Hell, the same is true of guys as well.

I think one of the most dangerous mistakes guys can make is to project their idealization on a girl, and ignore the truth about her. It is misguided to idealize women like Medieval poets did. These are my views at least. Feel free to disagree or agree, but that is how I feel about the subject.

As i dont think as bas of porn (or whores) i do see your point, and i admit it, i was only  idealizing her.

[KainLegacy535]

23 hours ago, Zakamutt said:

^ @Kiriririri

These days the view that you should not disrespect sex workers is fairly common in left-leaning contexts (I realize this is a forum for VNs, which tend to be pretty sexist, but you're still talking to young people online), though certainly not the only view. The word "whore" is used as an insult, and thus not preferred if you want to not insult a whole category of people. With that said it seems to align with Zalor's views on the profession, so I suppose it's not an inaccurate use exactly.

Personally, if society doesn't like something I do that doesn't harm anyone, then society can go fuck itself. I try to extend this principle to everyone. If I had a sister who chose to go into sex work I would be worried about her, because it definitely carries risks. But I wouldn't try to stop her because of some disgust or shame reaction.

"If I had a sister who chose to go into sex work I would be worried about her, because it definitely carries risks. But I wouldn't try to stop her because of some disgust or shame reactio". Am totally agreed with you.

[KainLegacy535]

14 hours ago, tymmur said:

To go back to the original question, why are person X in porn? I will assume it's likely for the same reason as why women becomes prostitutes.

 

There is obviously the case of needing the money. I read in the newspaper about a porn directory who had been flooded by applications from women, who had the choice between porn and losing the house. He blaming the politicians for creating a situation (specific new law) where he was unable to find suitable candidates, but that it was actually worse for the women, who had ended up being that desperate. He didn't talk kindly of the politicians who insisted that nobody would end up in a situation like that. Interestingly he declared he could not use women, who didn't want to do it, though I'm not certain all directors will have moral issues in that regard.

 

Then there is the people, who will do anything for money. It can easily be in addition to a normal job, meaning they end up with two incomes. This allows financing a lifestyle, which would be out of reach for the majority of people. It could also be because if they can pull off not doing any other job, they can be allowed to be lazy. Crime is another "popular" solution to reach an otherwise unreachable lifestyle.

 

The last reason is sex. I saw a study at some point that some women can't get enough sex. Apparently if you grow up being told that is your purpose in life and to be a good girl, you do stuff, then some of them stick to that approach as adults. Prostitution is then a tool to get 10 men each day and the fact that it provides an income is just a bonus.

 

There are other examples of upbringing gone wrong, like it's cute that all the adults have to look at a little girl dancing at every single gathering. It can then happen that they are displeased with not being in the center when they grow up and then to get back to get people to look at them, the tool becomes to drop cloth.

That's spot on. Some people apparently don't like/get the direct message, but it's accurate. There are plenty of good girls out there, but there certainly are a number of demons and mentally disturbed ones. Men too as it's not about gender. I have to say that I understand girls complaining about creeps who tries to pick them up. I tried a girl approaching me like that. Well she didn't even try to pick me up, she basically just ordered me to sex and I was like "who are you?". It was at school and I didn't even know her name or class or anything. Later I learned who it was and she was basically just fishing for penis regardless of owner. It was actually rather disturbing to experience that.

 

Also whore basically means somebody who has sex for money. It fits the porn industry and there actually is an overlap because some porn "stars" also work on the street and that way acts as gateway for STDs. Not sure if they are high ranking, but it's happening and is apparently a big problem.

 

People yell about being free and just do it. Pick up a new girl every Friday night and whatever. However people acting like that are usually very loud, but not so big in numbers. I saw a survey on a college where they asked for sexual partners for the last year. Not only was the most common answer 0, more than 90% had 2 or less and if the person had two, both partners only had one. One was way more common than two. The remaining less than 10% were... well active. If one of them had an STD, they could all have it because it seemed like they swapped partners or just basically took what they could get.

 

Another survey was quoted in Futari Ecchi (read it if you haven't. It's one of the best mangas I have seen, though it's probably targeting age 25+). It asked adult women how many sexual partners they had had within their lifetime. More than half said 2 or less (0 not uncommon). Almost everybody had less than the average because the average was totally screwed by a few who had astronomical numbers.

 

So yeah there are women, who apparently want to do anything for sex, but they are most certainly a minority. Then again people doing porn are also a minority.

Men great answer, its really answer the question of many persons in here but, i was just triying to point out that the girl hit me hard and i know how ridicolous that its, and just wanted tobknow if someone had pass for something like that.

[Plk_Lesiak]

4 minutes ago, KainLegacy535 said:

thats rigth men, i remember the first tme with a hooker, i was only thinking "say this and do that is only her job".

Duuuude, you're serious with this? Not that I disagree, but that's why I would never go to a hooker (and why I generally avoid porn - I don't think there's something inherently wrong about watching it, but it just doesn't sit well with my worldview - and seemingly with yours as well, if you got disturbed by a really attractive woman being a sex worker).

[KainLegacy535]

12 hours ago, ittaku said:

Beautiful people can just as easily be dealt the same shit hand for life as ugly people.

I think i have to learn to express myself better on the internet, i was only asking if some had pass for something similar to me.

[KainLegacy535]

2 minutes ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

Duuuude, you're serious with this? Not that I disagree, but that's why I would never go to a hooker (and why I generally avoid porn - I don't think there's something inherently wrong about watching it, but it just doesn't sit well with my worldview - and seemingly with yours as well, if you got disturbed by a really attractive woman being a sex worker).

Why? Why not, i mean i was disturbed by a really attractive woman being a sex worker, its just "hook me up" (got the joke?), now seriously i went to a hooker that time because i thinked that i need it, but i ended more empty that i tough, so is not something that i will do again.

[tymmur]

48 minutes ago, KainLegacy535 said:

i remember the first tme with a hooker, i was only thinking "say this and do that is only her job".

I'm not quite sure where to begin here. So far you have declared that you watch porn and use hookers. Looks to me like you are on the fast track to disconnect love and lust. The problem in doing that is that love will fade away and you risk being unable to love a woman, get married and live happily ever after. Maybe it doesn't seem like such a big thing right now, but it will in 10-20 years. There is also the thing about experience. If you do fall in love with somebody special, if you are inexperienced, it will be the best sex you ever tried. If you have tried lots of women, you will be like "I have tried better". You really should think about long term effects of your actions. Unlike VNs, you are stuck with the result you get and you will have to live with it for many years.

[KainLegacy535]

47 minutes ago, tymmur said:

I'm not quite sure where to begin here. So far you have declared that you watch porn and use hookers. Looks to me like you are on the fast track to disconnect love and lust. The problem in doing that is that love will fade away and you risk being unable to love a woman, get married and live happily ever after. Maybe it doesn't seem like such a big thing right now, but it will in 10-20 years. There is also the thing about experience. If you do fall in love with somebody special, if you are inexperienced, it will be the best sex you ever tried. If you have tried lots of women, you will be like "I have tried better". You really should think about long term effects of your actions. Unlike VNs, you are stuck with the result you get and you will have to live with it for many years.

"get married and live happily ever after" That sort of things really dont cross my mind today, i have my dog at my side, she is like my daughter, she save me when i was in a really bad place, for now thats the only thing i need rigth now, that when i come home after work she is there.