-soraa Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sekaiproject/a-clockwork-ley-line-a-visual-novel-trilogy/posts/2125462?ref=backer_project_update Finally a statement what actually happened. IN A NUTSHELL: Spoiler The engine SUCKS! Hopefully this sort of thing will be better prepared for the future. Edited March 2, 2018 by -soraa Dreamysyu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Quote expose: a report of the facts about something, especially a journalistic report that reveals something scandalous As much as I would love to see Sekai writing an exposé on themselves, I doubt that's what you'd call this update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-soraa Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Zenophilious said: As much as I would love to see Sekai writing an exposé about themselves, I doubt that's what you'd call this update. Grrrrr. Is it better now? Edited March 2, 2018 by -soraa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadeotic Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 It was still their fault for releasing it with insufficient QA work done. This is more akin to paying the piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 minute ago, -soraa said: Grrrrr. Is it better now? Yup. Just thought I'd poke some fun, since I know where you got the title from. 3 minutes ago, Arcadeotic said: It was still their fault for releasing it with insufficient QA work done. This is more akin to paying the piper. Yeah, I don't really understand why people are accepting this excuse. It sucks that the engine is crap, but that doesn't excuse pushing a product in that state to release, with Sekai having full knowledge of how borked it was. EastCoastDrifter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosis Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) Quote https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sekaiproject/a-clockwork-ley-line-a-visual-novel-trilogy/posts/2125462?ref=backer_project_update >posting workload to justify one's mistakes >using software updates as a scapegoat for one's lack of professionalism and responsibility Ah, SP. Never change. 52 minutes ago, -soraa said: IN A NUTSHELL: Reveal hidden contents The engine SUCKS! Hopefully this sort of thing will be better prepared for the future. This is clearly a work environment issue. Those guys are just bad at managing their translation projects, lol. Edited March 2, 2018 by Narcosis Plk_Lesiak and Dreamysyu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamysyu Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Narcosis said: This is clearly a work environment issue. Actually, this seems like the primary reason for most of their fails. As for the update, well, Sekai is simply being Sekai again. Nothing new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastDrifter Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Really, their "update" just exposes that they'll release a broken or unfinished VN in the market, make a profit, then take back the VN after complaints are made and "fix" the VN for further profit. As if the blatantness of the post isn't obvious enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgentstR Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, EastCoastDrifter said: Really, their "update" just exposes that they'll release a broken or unfinished VN in the market, make a profit, then take back the VN after complaints are made and "fix" the VN for further profit. As if the blatantness of the post isn't obvious enough. Are you implying that they get more money by releasing it broken first and fixing it later? How would that even work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastDrifter Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, ArgentstR said: Are you implying that they get more money by releasing it broken first and fixing it later? How would that even work? It's a very practical, but unethical, business scheme employed by most AAA game publishers today to make more money. Sekai Project is basically doing the same thing those publishers are doing, and it has become such a pattern that I would hardly chalk it up as just "incompetence". I know this all too well from experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakauchuujin Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 SP honestly seem to be driven 100% by corporate greed and 0% by their love of VNs. A pitty to see that it seems like it is for the most part working, comparing steamspy of SP and a good company like MG just makes me sad. Hopefully most of SP sales were during huge sales and humblebundles. EastCoastDrifter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Well I'm sure you guys would enjoy reading 50k lines after every small bug fix Mr Poltroon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakauchuujin Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) They could just have checked it and fixed it after all the bug fixes were done, not having to do it for every bug fix, though I am not a programer so maybe I am wrong and that is impossible Edited March 2, 2018 by bakauchuujin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgentstR Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, EastCoastDrifter said: It's a very practical, but unethical, business scheme employed by most AAA game publishers today to make more money. Sekai Project is basically doing the same thing those publishers are doing, and it hass become such a pattern that I would hardly chalk it up as just "incompetence". I know this all too well from experience. And how does this scheme work? They aren't selling the fix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastDrifter Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, ArgentstR said: And how does this scheme work? They aren't selling the fix? I've already explained it in my first post here. They release a broken mess of a VN and make a profit out of the customers knowing full well that it's broken. Then, once complaints start circling about the VN, they take it back and make the "fixes", and sell it again, essentially attempting to gouge more money out of the same customers who originally bought it. It's already been said in the "update" that it won't be a simple patch, but a complete re-work on the entire VN engine. If they do sell the fix, it's only going to create further problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, bakauchuujin said: They could just have checked it and fixed it after all the bug fixes were done, not having to do it for every bug fix, though I am not a programer so maybe I am wrong and that is impossible How would you find these bugs even without playing it 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asonn Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Just now, Kiriririri said: How would you find these bugs even without playing it 100% unit testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowbell55 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) Hopefully they can get the VNs to where they should be and avoid running into these issues in future. Edited March 2, 2018 by snowbell55 Would rather not comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Asonn said: unit testing. I don't think that is very viable for VNs that run on shit engines w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgentstR Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, EastCoastDrifter said: I've already explained it in my first post here. They release a broken mess of a VN and make a profit out of the customers knowing full well that it's broken. Then, once complaints start circling about the VN, they take it back and make the "fixes", and sell it again, essentially attempting to gouge more money out of the same customers who originally bought it. It's already been said in the "update" that it won't be a simple patch, but a complete re-work on the entire VN engine. If they do sell the fix, it's only going to create further problems. So what you are claiming is that you don't belive they will provide a free patch for the people who bought the game, and instead release a separate V.2 which you have to buy again? That would indeed be a scummy move, but I very seriously doubt they would do something that ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Poltroon Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 33 minutes ago, EastCoastDrifter said: I've already explained it in my first post here. They release a broken mess of a VN and make a profit out of the customers knowing full well that it's broken. Then, once complaints start circling about the VN, they take it back and make the "fixes", and sell it again, essentially attempting to gouge more money out of the same customers who originally bought it. It's already been said in the "update" that it won't be a simple patch, but a complete re-work on the entire VN engine. If they do sell the fix, it's only going to create further problems. Whatever makes you believe that they will sell their fixes? That is absolutely bonkers, and certainly would not fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamysyu Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 23 minutes ago, EastCoastDrifter said: I've already explained it in my first post here. They release a broken mess of a VN and make a profit out of the customers knowing full well that it's broken. Then, once complaints start circling about the VN, they take it back and make the "fixes", and sell it again, essentially attempting to gouge more money out of the same customers who originally bought it. It's already been said in the "update" that it won't be a simple patch, but a complete re-work on the entire VN engine. If they do sell the fix, it's only going to create further problems. And alienate even those readers who are still buying their games? I don't know, of course, but so far I'm pretty sure that it isn't the case here. Well, time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastDrifter Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, ArgentstR said: So what you are claiming is that you don't belive they will provide a free patch for the people who bought the game, and instead release a separate V.2 which you have to buy again? That would indeed be a scummy move, but I very seriously doubt they would do something that ridiculous. It IS Sekai Project here. They have done some pretty questionable marketing decisions in the past. 3 minutes ago, Mr Poltroon said: Whatever makes you believe that they will sell their fixes? That is absolutely bonkers, and certainly would not fly. Until I see for sure that they can improve on their quality for VNs in an honest fashion, I'll continue to believe that they're doing something scummy in the background. I'm noticing a trend with Sekai Project, and I think they would pull a stunt like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakauchuujin Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 My gues would be that they confirm that the fixes cost extra, then due to the backlash which they somehow didn't expect they decide to instead release it for free. Not getting the money from the patch but also getting negative rep due to them proposing to sell the fixes for a problem that is their fault. This ofc is a gues based totally on SP's incompitence. This is mostly a joke btw, though considering how they handled the Root double vita release I wouldn't be surprised if this happends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginSmasher Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 All this update shows is how Sekai Project is very lazy and doesn't care as much as they should about releasing quality translations. Blaming their engines is only a scapegoat after all. The QC team should've caught these errors before they released the translations and instead, they just look worse than they already did before. I do honestly want them to fix their mistakes, but they keep creating new ones for themselves when their reputation is almost in the gutter as is. Not to mention they fucked up with Leyline, which already has 2 more installments that they have to release. How can I trust any follow up releases after this and their recent reputation with translation quality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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