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Would you still continue reading VNs if, starting from today, all H-scenes were banned?


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4 hours ago, Dergonu said:

VNs would probably still sell okay in the west, but the market would all but die in Japan. H is very important to a large group of the community in Japan, and H is almost always used to market the games, instead of story summaries and such. Well, I guess the summaries are in the marketing material too, but gets buried in all the boobs, lol. 

I'd guess, 90% of all VN companies would die, and the other 10% would stick to making shitty VN sin-offs for popular anime. Though, in any realistic type of scenario they will probably just find some loophole to continue selling eroge, at least in a heavily censored state.

By the way, what exactly do you mean by marketing here? I remember you describing Japanese stores that sell eroge, but is there anything else?

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Just now, Dreamysyu said:

By the way, what exactly do you mean by marketing here? I remember you describing Japanese stores that sell eroge, but is there anything else?

Well, there is the stores themselves. Then here is digital marketing. If you go to a game's website, they very often make a big deal out of having extra H related merch for the special editions, (dakis, artbooks, ecchi drama CDs etc,) as well as showing off a few H CGs from the game. (Of course, they also usually show normal CGs and what not, but in my experience, the H parts feel more ... idk, prioritized?) Trial editions often also have a separate section just for H-scenes, where you can try them out, normally with at least 1-2 scenes per heroine, letting you quite literally skip any form of story to just jump straight into the H.

The Japanese release of Pulltop's Love Kami Useless Goddess and Divinity Stage released one new H CG once every week/ few weeks as teasers, to make people come back to the website to look at the juicy H art and get... hyped, I suppose? For the game's release.

It does depend on the game and the developer, of course, but from my experience, the H becomes more important than other factors when marketing for a new eroge in Japan, whether the H is actually "relevant to the story", (like all the western fans wants it to be,) or not.

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14 hours ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

Really? I don't know if I can enjoy my VNs fully without all those close-ups into the toilet bowl and high-detailed flushing scenes. I would be missing a crucial element of character's life and development. :(

I actually remember a scene in Ayakashibito, where the MC helps the female lead pee. There is literally no point to this scene. It's just randomly there in an otherwise chuuni VN. I actually end up skipping most of the H-scenes.

 

I seem to enjoy sexual humour or dirty jokes that are tastefully included, as well as implied sex, in romance, but if it was only H-content alone that got censored, i could maybe, possibly deal with it. I would probably never touch a moege again though.

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9 hours ago, Being said:

What an echo chamber this place is. I guess those of us that enjoy porn don't bother posting here.

If the question wasn't the extreme "would you stop reading VNs if H-scenes disappear", maybe you would see more posts about loving porn :'D 

On 09.02.2018 at 1:57 PM, Plk_Lesiak said:

Eeeeh, well, I'm not the most knowledgeable person in this regard, but how many prominent "VN" companies don't rely on h-content with at least some of their games and marketing? It would definitely be a huge hit for most of them. 

All of the console publishers most of which release VNs from time to time plus mages, type-moon (ha-ha), 07-exp etc. Eroge and doujin publishers also dabble in all-ages and not always fail like some people might want you to think, there's no strict "line" between the two. Sure, they would take a hit but could end up stonger after surviving it, the market wouldn't disappear outside the straight-up nukige sphere which has no value without a fap, it would evolve and the high-profile stories wouldn't really go anywhere, people wouldn't just stop buying VNs.

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9 hours ago, novurdim said:

If the question wasn't the extreme "would you stop reading VNs if H-scenes disappear", maybe you would see more posts about loving porn :'D 

I must add that contrary to what some people appear to think, I don't believe that if h-scenes were to be removed that would improve the rest of the content. I can't see a correlation. While it is true that moeges and nukiges may be there just for the porn, I can't see how it extends to other genres that actually try to build a plot. Both are aimed at different sets of demographics, and while it's also true that the presence of h-scenes may be there as an incentive to appeal to the intersection, in the hypothetical that h content were removed from the face of the earth, I don't see why that would be a reason to provoke a change in a content that in the first place was not geared in that direction to make it any better. I can't see how the disappearance of a genre would improve the overall quality of the others.

 

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On 2/9/2018 at 8:22 AM, Codesterz said:

No I wouldn't. I know I've mentioned this before, but I read VNs because they can have a good balance between plot and porn. If you watch a hentai anime it's mostly porn with very little plot. The same is also true in hentai manga. Also I should mention that plot doesn't necessarily mean a complicated story it can also just be the daily SoL stuff as welll. VNs give you time to connect and get to know the characters before throwing the porn at you, something the other 2 mediums don't do(hopefully one day they will). I would love to watch a 24 episode hentai anime, but only 3 of those episodes have sex scenes. Sadly though that doesn't exist so I read VN's to get something akin to that.

My thoughts exactly, now i don't want to get into too much graphic detail. But i find i get a great deal more "satisfaction" from the h-scenes in eroge that knows how to balance the 3 things i want. Which is:  story - character development - H-scene payoff 

H-scenes are very important to me, which is not to say i'm against an good story by any means, however i do not think i would want to play an visual novel without H-scenes, it does not sit right with me. Playing an purely story visual novel is not good enough for me, i'd rather read a book. Pure hentai is also kinda meh, it does the "job" if you know what i mean. But not much else. 

Eroge however struck that magic chord of Ero and plot, which has pulled me in like no other medium. They are symbiotic in my opinion, both depend on each other. If one part (story or H-scenes) was pulled out it would simply not engage me anymore. 

When i play visual novels it's usually about the characters and writing first. (Is the story engaging? Do i care about the characters at all? Am i enjoying the artwork?) If all seems right then i will look forward to the first h-scene, after that i will again want for more plot to keep the story flowing, then some more ero, then i would want an great ending etc... 

What other medium does this? I understand the position of anti-H purists in this thread, and their conservative standpoint. But i think it would be an great loss for visual novels the day that h-scenes were removed, and hopefully it will never happen. Of course there are some things that i dislike about the Visual novel scene today. For example the excessive amounts of trashy nukige games, or when i play an game that seems like it has promising artwork and ero, only to find out that the writing is boring, juvenile and with the depth of Twilight. 

Anyway bit of an personal message to Codesterz here! Love your profile picture! I just finished Natsukumo Yururu and Sagiri was definitely my favourite character! Awesome f-ing game! Actually i planned to use exactly that image as my profile picture... god dammit ;-_-  Also i was planning to read Sumikko Soft's next game "Akiyume Kukuru" but my ITH can not hook the text in that game, have you by chance played that game and been aware of any h-codes of it lying around? I really want to play that game but i can't do it without text hooker due to my limited Japanese... Argh! Anyway, it's nice to see someone with my same way of thinking! (I would also be interested in that 24 episode hentai you prophesized :3) Maybe see you around! 

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Yeah, I would definitely continue reading vns. Though my requirements of quality to read a vn would probably increase quite a bit.

In terms of the vn market:
Firstly you could argue that the quality would increase a bit, but at the same time the vns utilizing h-scenes as plot points (like euphoria) would also disappear. So in the end I don't think there would be a significant difference in quality.
At the same time the money earned through h-scenes (which tbh are a major selling point for most vns) would vanish leading to a major downsizing of the industry.
Also the vacuum left by the absence of nukiges would not be replaced by quality vns which some would think. Most likely rather than drowning in a sea of nukiges we would be submerged by a flood of moeges. 

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Yare yare 😅 

 fortunately, I was reading VN doesn't because their H content..:leecher:

So, not really care about H scane get banned, skipped,cut,censored, etc (if its not concerned with their main story ofc) . 

And Unfortunately, I was healthy Teenerger male, so, I don't hate them 

I have doujin instead tho :nico:

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9 hours ago, FinalChaos said:

Yeah, I would definitely continue reading vns. Though my requirements of quality to read a vn would probably increase quite a bit.

In terms of the vn market:
Firstly you could argue that the quality would increase a bit, but at the same time the vns utilizing h-scenes as plot points (like euphoria) would also disappear. So in the end I don't think there would be a significant difference in quality.
At the same time the money earned through h-scenes (which tbh are a major selling point for most vns) would vanish leading to a major downsizing of the industry.
Also the vacuum left by the absence of nukiges would not be replaced by quality vns which some would think. Most likely rather than drowning in a sea of nukiges we would be submerged by a flood of moeges. 

You say this as if it hasn't been happening for the past decade in the VN industry.

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I'd still continue to read them, sure. But for me personally, I enjoy seeing nudity in my VN's. It helps keep me interested in all honesty, not H-scenes in particular-- I mean the whole accidentally walking in on one of the characters changing schtick. I'm still a sucker for that kinda' stuff and I haven't gotten sick of it yet, which I'm sure I eventually will.

So even if they did remove all H-scenes from VN's suddenly, but they kept that in there, it wouldn't really change all that much for me. :meguface:

I've actually been staying away from All-Ages VN's so far in favour of starting 18+ ones for mainly that reason, and I do know I'm missing out on a lot of good VN's to read, but that's just what I'm interested in currently. I have many All-Ages VN's on my reading list for me to pick from when that eventual time comes.

But until then:

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Oppai, oppai, oppai!

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7 hours ago, Forgetful Frank said:

I'd still continue to read them, sure. But for me personally, I enjoy seeing nudity in my VN's. It helps keep me interested in all honesty, not H-scenes in particular-- I mean the whole accidentally walking in on one of the characters changing schtick. I'm still a sucker for that kinda' stuff and I haven't gotten sick of it yet, which I'm sure I eventually will.

We can't associate with each other anymore.

9 hours ago, BookwormOtaku said:

Yes, though my reading of slice of life/pure romance  VNs would be next to zero and it would be straight up fantasy, scifi and mystery vns for me.

That's already what I do with VNs so it wouldn't really make a difference.

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The OP's question limits discussion on this somewhat, because the cost of giving up VNs is obviously high to passionate VN fans. I think a more controversial/debatable question would be: would VN's as a whole be better off without h-scenes, ignoring financial and popularity factors?

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26 minutes ago, PiggiesGoMoo said:

The OP's question limits discussion on this somewhat, because the cost of giving up VNs is obviously high to passionate VN fans. I think a more controversial/debatable question would be: would VN's as a whole be better off without h-scenes, ignoring financial and popularity factors?

Actually, this question got discussed quite extensively several months ago, you can look it up. And most users already have fixed opinions on that matter, so they often mention it in unrelated posts. I wanted to ask something slightly different and that isn't as discussed. That's it.

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1 hour ago, Dreamysyu said:

Actually, this question got discussed quite extensively several months ago, you can look it up. And most users already have fixed opinions on that matter, so they often mention it in unrelated posts. I wanted to ask something slightly different and that isn't as discussed. That's it.

Well, that makes sense why it wasn't familiar to me. 

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