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The future of different western eroge publishers


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3 minutes ago, Dreamysyu said:

It's just an hypothesis, but perhaps they don't want to deal with other countries' ambiguous child porn laws? I know, there are a lot of eroge releasing companies, but I see why some people may be cautious.

Hmm, it's not impossible, but I doubt it. While Miagete goran and Konosora does have at least one kinda loli heroine, Love Kami does not, and those games were also censored. Plus if that was their only issue, they could have cut just the respective loli routes, and not all of the 18+ content. 

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21 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

 Plus if that was their only issue, they could have cut just the respective loli routes, and not all of the 18+ content. 

That would cause a uproar, like when Nutaku censored the Trap Route.

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35 minutes ago, MaggieROBOT said:

Remember Shiny Days? 

Yes.

 

21 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

It's okay, they opted to censor all of it instead, which totally didn't cause even more of an uproar. :P 

:mare:

Fuktaku

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3 hours ago, Dergonu said:

Hmm, it's not impossible, but I doubt it. While Miagete goran and Konosora does have at least one kinda loli heroine, Love Kami does not, and those games were also censored. Plus if that was their only issue, they could have cut just the respective loli routes, and not all of the 18+ content. 

Yeah, sounds logical. And, according to vndb, in Divinity Stage the heroines aren't even technically high-school students, so it's probably not that.

3 hours ago, MaggieROBOT said:

Remember Shiny Days? 

What happened to Shiny Days?

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1 minute ago, Dreamysyu said:

What happened to Shiny Days?

JAST removed all scenes with lolis to avoid legal problems. There's an uncensor patch floating around, but it's unnoficial.

Fuwa things about this:

https://fuwanovel.net/2015/04/endorse-jasts-censorship-shiny-days/

https://forums.fuwanovel.net/blogs/entry/992-shiny-days-restore-patch-released-installation-guide/

 

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The Jast censorship thing is one of the reasons I think they should just remove laws regarding obscenity. These laws are just stupid in that they lack any sort of scientific backing of them doing anything positive for a society at all. Pretty much their only argument is the violent video games make people more violent argument, which has pretty much debunked. Now instead of saying violent video games make people violent they just say people become pedofiles by having looked at drawings of characters with childish features.

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31 minutes ago, Okarin said:

Why all the flak for Sekai? That's a thing I never comprehend. Sekai has brought over really good novels, like Clannad or Root Double. To Steam, too, with those great sales.

They make a lot of poor decisions that irritate people, and don't respond to criticism, I guess? Well, I agree that they bring a lot of great games, but I don't think that's the problem here.

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12 minutes ago, Dreamysyu said:

They make a lot of poor decisions that irritate people, and don't respond to criticism, I guess? Well, I agree that they bring a lot of great games, but I don't think that's the problem here.

The problem is that they license hyped VNs and then botch their releases and nobody besides the Steam market would ever wants to read them because of it.

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56 minutes ago, Okarin said:

Why all the flak for Sekai? That's a thing I never comprehend. Sekai has brought over really good novels, like Clannad or Root Double. To Steam, too, with those great sales.

Sekai Project is using kickstarter a lot, that in itself isn't really too much of a problem. The problem is that they have poor communication with both the fans and the developers. They are often not able to answer simple questions like whether a title will have mosaics or not. From what I understand they outsource their translations and as of late haven't bothered checking if the translations were any good or done a proofreading of them to remove spelling errors, or you know translate untranslated lines. They also make a lot of promises that they have a hard time keeping. For example they have had long delays in regards to getting things on ps vita which they have promised on a lot of kickstarters. They are also known to delay their releases by quite a lot. Probably the most notable is their delay is grisaia which was planned to be physically delivered october 2015. This physical edition is still not sent to their backers, though I do think they have mentioned it being this or next month, still quite a while. The last of the grisaia VNs was also released last desember, as you can see these dates are quite far from October 2015. While this is one of the worse cases, their kickstarters are filled with similar problems. Their 18+ page that sells 18+ editions as well as patches also sucks. There is a download limit on their titles, which is annoying and the acces to the games are given trough email and you need to keep the email or email their support to get to download it again. They are also usually slow at releasing 18+ versions as that has lower priority for them. They don't care about removal of mosaic, something that was quite appearant in regards to the Chrono Clock release. Lastly this is more of a personal thing, they don't release physicals outside of kickstarters, which I have already explained to you why isn't a good option to buy the VN from them. These are the main complaints I can think of at the moment, though there probably are more.

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To be honest I didn't care much about physical release, because the contents would surely very similar to download edition of the VN. Then again, many people were interested with KS tier in regard of physical release so there's that. As for why the release was have very long delay, if we look at JAST case it mean that they usually have additional necessary deal with the factory for the packaging, and usually it'll take a longer time - not to mention there's should many people who pre-ordering that edition, so I think they would prepare a lot number of that. Keep in mind that it was just my speculation though. As for mosaic, well it's the very least of my concern and in my opinion it's not quite worth to be debated. In the end, from what I saw I think Sekai KS was quite a double edge sword (Same goes to any company really) - on the other hand you'll get easy money by throwing some hard to fulfill promise, but on the other hand they have obligation to fulfill the promise to the backer.

As for my opinion about the company, here's what I'll think in regard of the company and my hope for them.

Mangagamer - In the past they more or less was scorned because of some questionable decision (See Kara no Shoujo voice and Higurashi BGM), and not to mention their bad translation. Although by now they already improved a lot by accepting many good translator into their staff, and their release nowadays tends to be varied. I hope that they keep the good work and did less release to nukige, although I guess hoping for the latter would be equal to decreasing Mangagamer primary income source which in turn would lessening the chance for good announcements from them.

JAST - I understand that if they want to stubbornly keep their tradition to release a VN along with physical version (Actually Mangagamer should improve in regard of physical version, because I saw a complain Mangagamer didn't have many physical release), but at the very least they should improved their lineup because to be honest their most current lineup was sort of lame imo - they either not quite good like Ryoko or Home Sweet Home, or redundant like Majikoi and Eiyuu Senki. Also I hope that by AX they should announce something interesting, because they only announce something once a year at AX. Oh, and they definitely need to release their Nitroplus VNs.

Sekai - They reliant to KS too much, and there's already the case that the translator for them already left them and established their own company (NekoNyan). So I didn't have many much to say other than they should fix the communication to the fan, or even better take Dovac and the team into public relation course because I'd heard that they have quite a bad reputation in regard of public service.

Fruitbat - I'm more or less neutral against them, so I don't have many to say to them. Just keep their usual pace should be good for them I guess. They usually localized doujin VN by the way for the info, like Seabed and Enigma.

MoeNovel (Or should I say Pulltop) - I just hope that they keep pumping Lovekami short goddess VN thing, because at least there'll less bad taste compared to when they released a big release censored (See both of Konosora and Miagete). For more serious answer, I hope that they don't insist to release their VN for overseas without 18+ content anymore ie prepared 18+ patch for their release, because even new company like Sol Press and NekoNyan did make the promise to localized 18+ content as well.

Frontwing - Well they may be content with their Phantom Trigger chapter based release, although it might be not the ideal way though if the consumer want one VN that contain all story. Although seeing that they probably still pulling their resources after they safe from bankruptcy back at 2013 thanks to Kajitsu, I'll cut some slack to them. Regardless, I hope that they managed to release Sakura no Uta now that they managed to release Subahibi, and of course the rest of Frontwing VNs. Although if I want to be more realistic, then I just hope that they'll managed to release Island when the anime aired.

For the rest, seeing that they still new I couldn't make sure what they capable of. But my hope for both of Sol Press and NekoNyan is simple though, just prove that they'll managed to have the release at March later and let the fan know that they're indeed quite capable at localized VN. For Mikandi, let's just hope that they would use more trusted translator or just leave the translation to overseas team. Not interested with Cherry Kiss seeing that all they got is nukige, but I guess I could hope PQube to have their VN released at Steam in order to accommodate PC gamer.

Well, that's all what I could say in regard of the localization company, and generally I hope that they'll improved in their own way at the future.

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Found out Sekai Project just added one more reason for people to hate them. They will only release the ps vita version of root double in America and basically says screw you to everyone else who backed at that pledge. This line is so great. 

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This release will be for the North American PSN, thanks for your understanding.

 

Basically, fuck you if you pledged this tier and live outside of north America, we will not give you what you paid for and also thank you for being so understanding when we just screwed you over.

Really glad the only SP kickstarter I pledged for was the nekopara one, which was handled by nekoworks, not SP.

If they keep this up maybe they will manage to get so bad reputation that they go bankrupt, I atleast hope that would be the case.

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Just now, bakauchuujin said:

Found out Sekai Project just added one more reason for people to hate them. They will only release the ps vita version of root double in America and basically says screw you to everyone else who backed at that pledge. This line is so great. 

Basically, fuck you if you pledged this tier and live outside of north America, we will not give you what you paid for and also thank you for being so understanding when we just screwed you over.

Really glad the only SP kickstarter I pledged for was the nekopara one, which was handled by nekoworks, not SP.

If they keep this up maybe they will manage to get so bad reputation that they go bankrupt, I atleast hope that would be the case.

It is pretty outrageous. While they have now said that they are "looking into it," the fact that they literally planned on just releasing the game to some of the backers is absurd, and shows how little planning goes into this stuff... SP really has been giving fans the finger these past few months.

What I just love is this comment on their kickstarter:

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Thanks for understanding! That's it, lol. "Sorry we are technically breaking kickstarter rules by not giving you the rewards you were promised. Thanks for understanding."

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Just now, Kiriririri said:

Can't you just create American PSN account just like you can create a Japanese one and buy Japanese games?

To do this on a vita you have already been using, you need to completely wipe all saves and data on your device, which is a huge inconvenience.

Also, your account will then be permanently set to the US store, and switching back to your normal store makes you lose the game, as you would once again require a full reset. So, in theory, yes, but it is a huge pain.

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10 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

To do this on a vita you have already been using, you need to completely wipe all saves and data on your device, which is a huge inconvinience.

Also, your account will then be permanently set to the US store, and switching back to your normal store makes you lose the game, as you would once again require a full reset. So, in theory, yes, but it is a huge pain.

Not that hard if you have 2 memory cards thoo

Still sucks though yes but I guess Regista is partly at fault here too because they seemed to be mostly handling it?

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