Is Legal to buy Dies Irae DX +18 in Paraguay,Latin American Country?

[Usuario-1998]

Well,i am a JRPG and Visual Novel fan in a country where all people pirate games and music,and download products in General.

I have no much money,but i want to support the Industry,and also because i know some day,the anti-pirate measures can be Global.

Because of that,i obtain a prepaid Card,and buy legally Fairy Fencer F,The Legend of Heroes Trails in the Sky,Trails in Cold Steel,the spin off of Grisaia (The Steam Version),and

Ys 1 and 2 in Android.I prefer drm-free versions if they are avaliable,because the product,is truly in my hands,even if i only buy a licence.

And,i want to buy Dies Irae DX Version on Mangagamer who include Act es Fabula and Amantes Amentes.But,i dont know if this is legal in my country,and if

the can damage me for buying that,or something like that.Paraguay is a Latin America Country,and a very undeveloped one,but where are not so bad,but not like other countries.

And,in the Aduana is forbiden buy porn material via internet, (like dvd,download i dont know),like the hentai for example.

And,if i buy the game,i am going to buy it with my prepaid card.My question is:Is this Legal in my Country?.And they can track with my prepaid card?.

Alzó Playboy Magazine exist here,if this info is useful.

Please help me,because i dont want a problem with the law.

 

Edited December 28, 2017 by Usuario-1998

[Narcosis]

You should move. A country that bans porn does not deserve to exist

Jokes aside, I Doubt a country like yours can even track such data, not to mention waste funds to track said "criminals" on the net. You should be safe, as long as you'll keep a low profile.

Edited December 28, 2017 by Narcosis

[SpinningShiat]

Vas a ir preso por hacerte el loco, la verdad que si hablas de comprarlo por internet no va a haber problema, pero si te referis a que te lo traigan en caja y todo el quilombo ese simplemente no te lo van a dejar entrar, hasta dodne yo se... no estoy seguro igual, y por el tema de la tarjeta de credito diria que busque en internet wikipedia o algo, porque no vas a querer ir preso por porno en forma de anime :'v

[Usuario-1998]

Just now, SpinningShiat said:

Vas a ir preso por hacerte el loco, la verdad que si hablas de comprarlo por internet no va a haber problema, pero si te referis a que te lo traigan en caja y todo el quilombo ese simplemente no te lo van a dejar entrar, hasta dodne yo se... no estoy seguro igual, y por el tema de la tarjeta de credito diria que busque en internet wikipedia o algo, porque no vas a querer ir preso por porno en forma de anime :'v

Digital lo voy a comprar si lo compro..no se si es legal,porque la legalidad,aca parece ambiguo....Creo que venden porno por alli,de ser legal,no se,pero,mi pregunta es si me pueden rastrear por mi tarjeta prepago....Despues de todo,Dies Irae solo existe en Digital,solo los backers del kickstarter pueden tenerlo en fisico,me parece...creo que me pueden rastrear,porque a fin de mes,me viene el extracto de lo que compre,y alli figura a quien le compre,y el monto que pague,por ejemplo Gog,o Steam.Busque sobre porno,leyes de Paraguay,y solo me habla de pornografia infantil.no me dice si es ilegal  la porno normal...pero creo que es legal,por ejemplo que una persona mayor de 16 y menor de 18 tengan sexo,pero no menor de 15 y mayor de 19....eso puede ir en mi favor,porque las heroinas de Dies Irae.tienen todas 17 años,excepto Rea que tiene 18,y mi unico miedo (si es que no son tan estupidos como prohibir algo en teoria licito),es por la escena hentai de de Rusalka,que tenia 300 años,pero con fisico de loli,y el real problema, que el Shota Nazi ese fue violado por su Padre.creo,y esto ultimo es lo que me da miedo,pero creo que solo lo dice en la historia,y no ponen yaoi ni nada...y hay montones de peliculas con ese tipo de aspecto en su historia, creo, yo.Si va asi todo,creo que seria teoricamente legal..pero no se si lo es,o si en mi Pais son tan estupidos como para poner algo como ilegal,si teoricamente es legal...

 

Please someone can say if they can track me with my prepaid Card?.They gave me at the end of the month a paper with the list of the thing i buy,only a code and the price i pay,and where i buy it...and i dont know if they can track me for buy digital +18 visual novel.Please help.

 

[SpinningShiat]

1 minute ago, Usuario-1998 said:

Digital lo voy a comprar si lo compro..no se si es legal,porque la legalidad,aca parece ambiguo....Creo que venden porno por alli,de ser legal,no se,pero,mi pregunta es si me pueden rastrear por mi tarjeta prepago....Despues de todo,Dies Irae solo existe en Digital,solo los backers del kickstarter pueden tenerlo en fisico,me parece...creo que me pueden rastrear,porque a fin de mes,me viene el extracto de lo que compre,y alli figura a quien le compre,y el monto que pague,por ejemplo Gog,o Steam.Busque sobre porno,leyes de Paraguay,y solo me habla de pornografia infantil.no me dice si es ilegal  la porno normal...pero creo que es legal,por ejemplo que una persona mayor de 16 y menor de 18 tengan sexo,pero no menor de 15 y mayor de 19....eso puede ir en mi favor,porque las heroinas de Dies Irae.tienen todas 17 años,excepto Rea que tiene 18,y mi unico miedo (si es que no son tan estupidos como prohibir algo en teoria licito),es por la escena hentai de de Rusalka,que tenia 300 años,pero con fisico de loli,y el real problema, que el Shota Nazi ese fue violado por su Padre.creo,y esto ultimo es lo que me da miedo,pero creo que solo lo dice en la historia,y no ponen yaoi ni nada...y hay montones de peliculas con ese tipo de aspecto en su historia, creo, yo.Si va asi todo,creo que seria teoricamente legal..pero no se si lo es,o si en mi Pais son tan estupidos como para poner algo como ilegal,si teoricamente es legal...

 

 

Yo (En Argentina) Compro lo mas tranca del mundo, no pasa nada, pero en paraguay capaz es diferente.

[Usuario-1998]

Just now, SpinningShiat said:

Yo (En Argentina) Compro lo mas tranca del mundo, no pasa nada, pero en paraguay capaz es diferente.

Que queres decir con lo mas tranca?.Compras las VN que son Puro sexo via digital y no pasa nada?.Por que si es asi,nuestras leyes,o vacios legales pueden ser similares...Favor,explicar que no entiendo que queres decir.

[SpinningShiat]

En steam venden VN's pero sacando las partes H, y a mi me dio un amigo princess evangile y no paso absolutamente nada, por lo que tengo entendido tambien le podes agregar las partes H de alguna forma, pero como no tengo banda de plata me los descargo pirateados (Que por supuesto vienen con los H) Y no pasa absolutamente nada

[Silvz]

Please use English D:

You really should look specifically into your constitution, but I believe nobody will care for this matter. Usually brazilians from the south buy almost anything in Paraguay and I never heard about issues on pornography or, in this case, nazi references. But again, you should look into it, as there are some countries that won't allow them.

But if you are worried, there are other ways to get it without your credit card. Someone said you could request Mangagamer points via e-mail using Pay Pal, just send an email to them.

[Usuario-1998]

 

Just now, Silvz said:

Please use English D:

You really should look specifically into your constitution, but I believe nobody will care for this matter. Usually brazilians from the south buy almost anything in Paraguay and I never heard about issues on pornography or, in this case, nazi references. But again, you should look into it, as there are some countries that won't allow them.

But if you are worried, there are other ways to get it without your credit card. Someone said you could request Mangagamer points via e-mail using Pay Pal, just send an email to them.

If i buy,for example a Visa pre-paid unrechargable card,with my chargeable card,and use it,i can avoid being tracked?.

EDIT:I dont info about the laws about porn on my country but here:

http://www.hoy.com.py/espectaculos/paraguay-tendra-su-propio-playboy-pero-con-religion-tecnologia-y-mas

A Paraguayan Newspaper say that Playboy magazine in going to oficially exist in Paraguay,and

there, http://www.snt.com.py/actualidad/estos-son-los-3-tipos-de-usuarios-de-pornografia-cual-de-ellos-eres-25867

a TV Channel of Paraguay says that streaming and internet porn exist,and exist,persons guilty,and who only search enjoy,and persons who exagerate,but dont say that is ilegal...then perhaps,is legal,or at least,is a legal hole?.But Dies Irae have Rusalka and The Nazi shota...sigh....but i think legally speaking the VN say that the protagonist are 18 years over,even if is not true...then perhaps,im not going to have a problem?.I dont know....

Edited December 28, 2017 by Usuario-1998

[WinterfuryZX]

If you are so paranoid purchase the steam version and patch it. Same thing as mangagamer except for the steam DRM.

Edited December 28, 2017 by WinterfuryZX

[Usuario-1998]

Just now, WinterfuryZX said:

If you are so paranoid purchase the steam version and patch it. Same thing as mangagamer except for the steam DRM.

Just because i dont to be paranoid i want at least hear some latinoamerican that buy and and dont happen anything to him.

I dont like drm,i only buy product with DRM in certain cases.

I read that even in strict country buy digital eroge is not danguerous,only if you buy the DVD,right?.

Even in countrys with strong law...if i buy digital +18 eroge is not problem right?.Only DVD,is problem.Al least say that to me,i want to know...

[WinterfuryZX]

You can send an email to mangagamer and see if they accept an unspecified payment through a safe paypal account or something like that. Or find someone who owns a usd paypal and do a proxy purchase (I don't think mg site can handle gifts, the proxy has to setup an account for you).

But anyway you are overly paranoid, I don't think they lose time to track cc porn transaction, since they are always concealed.

[Usuario-1998]

Just now, WinterfuryZX said:

You can send an email to mangagamer and see if they accept an unspecified payment through a safe paypal account or something like that. Or find someone who owns a usd paypal and do a proxy purchase (I don't think mg site can handle gifts, the proxy has to setup an account for you).

But anyway you are overly paranoid, I don't think they lose time to track cc porn transaction, since they are always concealed.

A question....they are concealed?.I am new to buy to internet,and things,even if i buy some manga and games,recently.

When i buy something in internet via visa card is concealed?.I dont use Paypal,because denies my prepaid card,but,even so is concealed?.

If the answer is yes,im going to buy it :).So please answer me.

After all if the answer is yes,i live in a undeveloped country,so they probably dont bother if is concealed

Edited December 28, 2017 by Usuario-1998

[WinterfuryZX]

You usually see transactions like CCBill code xxxx, site names and other details are usually never shown.

Mangagamer is different though, since it appears in the transaction list.

[Zenophilious]

16 minutes ago, WinterfuryZX said:

You usually see transactions like CCBill code xxxx, site names and other details are usually never shown.

Mangagamer is different though, since it appears in the transaction list.

On my credit card transaction history, MG purchases show up as "BHT" and a string of numbers.  It's not exactly easy to guess what it is unless you already know what amount you're looking for.

As for the thread question, you can only really be sure if you talk to a lawyer.  I'd recommend at least looking up your country's laws regarding porn, since it's never good to assume when it comes to laws.  If you're really worried, use a VPN in addition to a prepaid card, or do what others have suggested and ask MG about using Paypal or buy the game through Steam and patch it.

[WinterfuryZX]

12 hours ago, Zenophilious said:

On my credit card transaction history, MG purchases show up as "BHT" and a string of numbers.  It's not exactly easy to guess what it is unless you already know what amount you're looking for.

ACQUISTO BHT xxxx-xxx-xxx GB 20/12/2017 (IMPORTO DIVISA ORIGINARIA 16.73 USD; IMPORTO SENZA MAGGIORAZIONE 14.14 EUR; IMPORTO MAGGIORAZIONE 0.07 EUR; CAMBIO 1.18317)

Yeah you're right. I'm pretty sure mg sitename was showing in older transactions, they must have changed things 

Edited December 28, 2017 by WinterfuryZX

[Silvz]

It has to be specifically to Paraguayan's laws since South America is composed of many countries with their own laws. Brazil doesn't have almost anything against buying games/art, except when it envolves children (pornography or children present somewhere where nudity is being shown).

Like I said, you have to check specifically how things work in your country. If you really, REALLY, RE-A-LLY wants to support the devs, you could pirate this game (cof cof cof) and buy another legally that you know it is safe. IDK, buy Fata Morgana on MG's site and then download the other game. Helping the community AND playing what you want. AND not being arrested. Win win!

Edited December 28, 2017 by Silvz

[Funnerific]

2 hours ago, Silvz said:

Like I said, you have to check specifically how things work in your country. If you really, REALLY, RE-A-LLY wants to support the devs, you could pirate this game (cof cof cof) and buy another legally that you know it is safe. IDK, buy Fata Morgana on MG's site and then download the other game. Helping the community AND playing what you want. AND not being arrested. Win win!

Mangagamer aren't the devs, you would only be supporting the localization company that way. You can buy Dies Irae on Steam though.

[NowItsAngeTime]

I'll make it legal.

[bakauchuujin]

Could wish obscenity laws were just removed from every country in the world. These laws are just so stupid.

[Usuario-1998]

Alsó,i download pirate eroge for years...like fate sn,and euphoria,violated héroe and monster girl quest,tsukihime.etc.

But never buy eroge with prepaid card....the paper say where i buy (example Steam) a code and the money quantity.

If they dont bother to come when download pirate eroge,they will bother legal eroge?.

 

[Plk_Lesiak]

2 minutes ago, Usuario-1998 said:

Alsó,i download pirate eroge for years...like fate sn,and euphoria,violated héroe and monster girl quest,tsukihime.etc.

But never buy eroge with prepaid card....the paper say where i buy (example Steam) a code and the money quantity.

If they dont bother to come when download pirate eroge,they will bother legal eroge?.

The only situation when I could imagine a government caring about anyone buying an eroge/nukige is with explicitly-underage loli characters - things like Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke o: Amakute Otona no Torokeru Chuu would be consider child porn in my country - I never heard about anyone getting arrested over that, but it's definitely within the legal definitions of such. With normal eroge... Even if it theoretically breaks some laws, I can't imagine anyone tracking that or doing anything about it.

So, I wouldn't worry. Although, TBF, if you're not 100% sure it's safe to buy it from official sources, I think you're justified with pirating stuff. I normally would never condone it, but in a case when insane anti-porn laws are involved, I would rather see a person stay safe than shaming them for "not supporting the industry".

[Usuario-1998]

I have a question:in this forums there are not some user who live in a country with insane porn laws?.

And a question for them:you buy in the past a eroge +18?.Digital,obviusly,because DVD is impossible.

And you use VPN?.Or not?.Please share with me your experiences,if you live in a worse country than I.

Because,i live in a below average country...i dont have hear nothing ,if is forbiden or allowed...i live in a average country,so

i think if a person who live in a way worse country dont have problems with digital...then i also have much less probability of have problems....

Edited December 28, 2017 by Usuario-1998

[bakauchuujin]

I am from Norway and import my eroge physically.

When looking for obscenity laws I found this on wikipedia

Quote

As of 2005, the Norwegian penal act criminalizes any depictions that "sexualize" children, even if it does not actually show sexual acts with children.[25] This could include any artificially produced material, including written text, drawn images, animation, manipulated images, an adult model with childish clothes, toys, or surroundings.[26] This law can be used against lolicon but it has not been tried in that aspect yet.

However this law seems rather vague. For instance it would seem like it would also include things that are considered ecchi, and atleast in terms of ecchi I can think of a few anime and manga sold in Norway that break these rules. Also I have never heard anyone getting into trouble because of this. So while the law seems bad I don't think it is actually enforced in terms of drawings. Btw considering how vague the law is I gues things like Romeo and Juliet as well as things like Game of Thrones would also be banned. So in the end it seems like a nonsensical law.

[Usuario-1998]

Just now, bakauchuujin said:

I am from Norway and import my eroge physically.

When looking for obscenity laws I found this on wikipedia

However this law seems rather vague. For instance it would seem like it would also include things that are considered ecchi, and atleast in terms of ecchi I can think of a few anime and manga sold in Norway that break these rules. Also I have never heard anyone getting into trouble because of this. So while the law seems bad I don't think it is actually enforced in terms of drawings. Btw considering how vague the law is I gues things like Romeo and Juliet as well as things like Game of Thrones would also be banned. So in the end it seems like a nonsensical law.

Other question...The Banks in general know where,and what you buy?.

Because if they dont know what i buy,is not problem at all if i buy digital,right?.

I read somewhere in the forums that because Digital is safer..

Why Digital if safer than DVD buy?.

Edited December 28, 2017 by Usuario-1998