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Tenioha! Surprise Stealth English Official Release on Nutaku


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3 hours ago, mitchhamilton said:

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you work for nutaku dont you? GET HIM! :pyaa:

I have seen a few of these people on the net reaching really really far into trying to find completely nonsense excuses to cover for Nutaku's bullshit.

"It's not Nutaku's fault it's errr... because of feminists and SJWs! Shit's gay anyways and is against gawd, don't blame Nutaku, blame Japan for making the game, Nutaku's is just doing the lawd's work! Nutaku did nothing wrong!"

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Hopefully we'll have two more goosy "learn japanese" posts in this topic so I can complete my bingo. C'mon, guys!

9 hours ago, Tamaki Sakura said:

Why would Nutaku censor the gay route? They don't have the excuse of "well, it might violate the law" in this case. It's just plain homophobia.

M-maybe their director is a muslim traditionalist.

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6 hours ago, finiteHP said:

I hate to defend Nutaku, but shouldn’t the company that translated it be blamed instead?  Nutaku is just the storefront in this case.

No. While everyone involved bears some blame, Nutaku probably bears the brunt of it. Likely all the licensor did wrong was pick the wrong localizer.  For two reasons:

1) Nutaku has pulled similar stunts before.  In fact, they got caught censoring a game, then used the DMCA to take down articles criticizing them over it.  After this, they said they planned to censor less. They also committed to being open and fully disclosing whenever they think they have to censor something.  See here and here (around the 10 min mark). For this reason alone, Nutaku deserves flak, either for incompetence (announcing a game is censored really isn't a hard commitment to live up to), or for deliberately lying.

2) Let's consider the field of Nutaku competitors here.

  1. Jast USA.  I seem to recall Jast actually did the virgin blood thing once.  I think in addition to XC3's loli problems, some blood was also censored.  That was a long time ago, and it seems like Peter actually learned his lesson from the ensuing uproar.  As for traps, Jast USA localized two full-on BL VNs.  I'm fairly confident Jast wouldn't demand/make either change.
  2. MangaGamer.  Some MG titles have a fair amount of virgin blood. They seem fine with it.  As for traps, they've yet to do a game with a trap 'heroine'.  But they've done a trap protag and a reverse trap.  They've also done well with BL titles; with otome titles; and with their one GxB title (so far).  I can't see MangaGamer making either of those changes, either.
  3. Denpasoft.  I've never heard of Denpasoft ever censoring anything.  And SP/Denpasoft had that gender bender BL title they tried to Kickstart.  Sure, it didn't work.  But they tried.

I can't see any of these three companies making either of these changes.  All three of the big names probably would have left well enough alone.  But if you believe that, doesn't that basically mean that the only reason the game ended up censored was because it was released by Nutaku?  Which would indeed make it their fault.

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17 hours ago, ShinRaikdou said:

I am sure blood can be restored by simple patch.

Relying on patches is never a good idea. The main question here is why they needed to remove it in the first place?

17 hours ago, ShinRaikdou said:

And trap... why is "this" even here along with normal girls, and why people even need it...?

Because it's just another fetish. Some straight guys like girls with dicks (and this is basically what a trap is).

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Edit. Or, I guess, bi people might like it too.

Again, I don't really see the problem with a VN having somewhat gayish route. You don't like this stuff, you skip it. Apparently, the publisher had different opinion on this matter.

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Edit 2. And it's much worse when you don't have a choice to begin with.

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5 hours ago, MaggieROBOT said:

I'm guessing they removed the trap route bc they were afraid no one would buy "normal girls" games later after discovering the d.

I also think so, but then it makes zero sense not to mention the fact that they removed it in the promotion materials. :makina:

Anyway, this whole situation is just stupid.

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1 hour ago, MaggieROBOT said:

I'm guessing they removed the trap route bc they were afraid no one would buy "normal girls" games later after discovering the d.

Are people that sensetive to cross-dressing guys? Is a D really gonna kill somenone? xo\

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9 minutes ago, SeniorBlitz said:

Are people that sensetive to cross-dressing guys?

They're always the best girl of the game! They usually rulez! Ofc they're afraid of their power! That's why they decided to play it safe and remove the route to not bring a new world order. Those chickens...

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Just now, MaggieROBOT said:

They're always the best girl of the game! They usually rulez! Ofc they're afraid of their power! That's why they decided to play it safe and remove the route to not bring a new world order. Those chickens...

This comment is gold.

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Just now, Dreamysyu said:

Well, a lot of people skipped the anime Shinsekai Yori only because it had gay characters, so this much would probably give them a heart attack. :makina:

GOG PEOPLE ARE SO OVERLYSENSETIVE. Like it's 2017, we should have already got over stuff like this, but, whatever, who I am to judge...

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25 minutes ago, MaggieROBOT said:

They're always the best girl of the game! They usually rulez! Ofc they're afraid of their power! That's why they decided to play it safe and remove the route to not bring a new world order. Those chickens...

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i remember i read this vn in japanese solely because of the trap route and was honestly disappointed. far less scenes for her than the other routes. also, it kind of had the vibe of a bad end. heretics.

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20 minutes ago, Tamaki Sakura said:

It actually is mentioned on the game's Nutaku page. So it make less than zero sense to remove the CGs.

I meant, it makes zero sense not to mention that the trap material was removed.

As for that, it is probably another case when one part of the company doesn't know what the other part does.

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15 hours ago, Nandemonai said:

No. While everyone involved bears some blame, Nutaku probably bears the brunt of it. Likely all the licensor did wrong was pick the wrong localizer.  For two reasons:

1) Nutaku has pulled similar stunts before.  In fact, they got caught censoring a game, then used the DMCA to take down articles criticizing them over it.  After this, they said they planned to censor less. They also committed to being open and fully disclosing whenever they think they have to censor something.  See here and here (around the 10 min mark). For this reason alone, Nutaku deserves flak, either for incompetence (announcing a game is censored really isn't a hard commitment to live up to), or for deliberately lying.

2) Let's consider the field of Nutaku competitors here.

  1. Jast USA.  I seem to recall Jast actually did the virgin blood thing once.  I think in addition to XC3's loli problems, some blood was also censored.  That was a long time ago, and it seems like Peter actually learned his lesson from the ensuing uproar.  As for traps, Jast USA localized two full-on BL VNs.  I'm fairly confident Jast wouldn't demand/make either change.
  2. MangaGamer.  Some MG titles have a fair amount of virgin blood. They seem fine with it.  As for traps, they've yet to do a game with a trap 'heroine'.  But they've done a trap protag and a reverse trap.  They've also done well with BL titles; with otome titles; and with their one GxB title (so far).  I can't see MangaGamer making either of those changes, either.
  3. Denpasoft.  I've never heard of Denpasoft ever censoring anything.  And SP/Denpasoft had that gender bender BL title they tried to Kickstart.  Sure, it didn't work.  But they tried.

I can't see any of these three companies making either of these changes.  All three of the big names probably would have left well enough alone.  But if you believe that, doesn't that basically mean that the only reason the game ended up censored was because it was released by Nutaku?  Which would indeed make it their fault.

Your first point is why I said I hate to defend them.  And you are right.  Them failing to mention the censorship is either incompetence or outright lying and they should be blamed for that.  I didn’t think of that when I posted.

 What I meant with my post was that like most, or maybe all, the games on their downloadable storefront; this one was localized by another company (at least I assume so) and then just sold on there like the ones from MangaGamer, Denpasoft, Jast, and a bunch of western developers that are on there are.  There are ones on there with virgin blood (or at least I assume so since they have it in the non-Nutaku versions and I would have assumed this would have come up before if those were censored on Nutaku too like it does when their browser game localizations are censored) and at least one with a trap main character which made me think that they don’t have a problem with this kind of content.  I was just thinking of this as a situation like when Moenovel released If My Heart Had Wings on MangaGamer.  It was Pulltop/MoeNovel that chose to censor it to such extremes, not MangaGamer.  Now if it is the case that it was someone at Nutaku that chose to have this game censored, then screw Nutaku.

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That is ... not impossible, but it's unlikely.  Most of these companies don't do the English versions in-house.  They let their US publishing partners take care of it.  In fact, we've seen the results of Japanese companies going it alone.  They tend not to be able to judge how good a translation is themselves, so they tend to hire really bad translators.  The results tend to be things like Libra, or early MangaGamer translations.

Edit: Besides, a censored game just happened to be published by the only major player known for censoring things.  Personally, I think that's good enough.  I'm assuming Nutaku probably did it on that basis.  I'm not willing to extend them the benefit of the doubt.  Sure, we don't have proof.  The evidence still points in their direction.

I mean, Nutaku hasn't even denied being responsible.  If they were to issue an official statement which said "we did not request these changes, the original licensor wanted them" then that would be different.  (Nutaku has a reputation for being dishonest, so I might not believe them.  But a denial would definitely make me more likely to give them the benefit of the doubt.)

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9 minutes ago, Nandemonai said:

Besides, the game is censored, and it just happened to be published by the only major player known for censoring things.  Personally, I think that's good enough.  I'm willing to assume Nutaku probably did it.  Sure, we don't have proof they did.  But that doesn't mean the evidence doesn't implicate them.

I think what finiteHP was getting at though is Nutaku might not be the publisher at all. At least, that's what it says directly on the store page. Rootnuko INC. is listed as both the developer and the publisher. In fact, I don't think any of the translated titles on Nutaku currently are actually published by them (excluding the browser games). They're not much of a localization company, and a cursory glance at their social media reveals that they're not even advertising this anywhere but the storefront itself.

I don't think Nutaku's involvement with this title has been made public—did they license it, were they involved in the translation, etc.—so they could certainly be at fault here. But I don't think it's unlikely that Rootnuko censored it themselves, either.

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A representative of Nutaku posted this on reddit:

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Hey everyone, we're investigating this now with the developers. We're not certain why the trap content was removed in the live build.

we certainly have no problem with traps (please see QT-cool, a game that is very full of traps, also Critical Hit. )

thanks for bringing it to our attention, we'll update the product page when we know more.

If you have any further issues with the game you can chat with the developers here

 

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1 hour ago, Nier said:

A representative of Nutaku posted this on reddit:

 

This does not allow you to contact the developers. I sent a message through it yesterday and received a response from a Nutaku Customer Service Specialist. This was the reply I was given "Hello, Thanks for contacting Nutaku Support. The developers of Tenioha! : Girls Can Be Pervy Too! decided to remove this content. We were not aware of this until it was reported by our users."

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5 hours ago, Nier said:

A representative of Nutaku posted this on reddit:

 

They've changed their store page (NSFW) for it by removing the trap tag, apparently.  Still no mention of it being censored in any way.  Good job with being transparent about censorship, Nutaku.  This is why so many people hate you.

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