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3 hours ago, mitchhamilton said:

so yeah, as you may have noticed if youve consumed ANY japanese medium, incest seems to be a recurring trope. while not every single anime/manga/vn has small elements or even any elements of incest in them, its still interesting that its a recurring theme. usually its the little sister who either adores their brother on borderline romantically interested to full blown "onii-chan and i are destined to be together, have a family and make babies together."

 

why is this? why the obsession? why do i read vns with it, even vns that have full on sex with full blood related sister/s? for the third question, its the taboo of it. thats pretty much it. i just find it more interesting to have two characters cross that line because of their relationship with each other. of course not all incest does it for me. dont like son and mother stuff even though i dont mind daughter and dad stuff. oh boy, here comes the sjw's. although im pretty sure my last comment wouldnt be the only thing triggering them in this post. :meguface:

 

what about you? whats your take on the matter, good or bad? do you enjoy it? do you hate it? do you seek it out sometimes? whats your preference? do you wanna see it burn in a fire that cleanses all of humanity like bestiality, netorare, and sakura games?

 

also, happy holidays!

SJW's? more like RWJ's haha... anyway i enjoy it sometimes. And I also don't like son and mother stuff.

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Incidentally, the main reason for the incest taboo isn't really religious.  It is because if multiple generations inbreed, you get sickly kids, stupid kids, and psychotic kids.  Most cultures that aren't isolated picked up this taboo relatively early on, and significant attempts were made to prevent too close of marriages in smaller communities, even going so far as to offer girls up to travelers with the intention of having them get pregnant.  Since those were generally a time when kids were raised by a village, there was generally either no taboo or only a small one on sex outside of marriage. 

If you read the Old Testament, you'll pick up on a lot of oddities that are glossed over in modern culture, such as marriages between half-siblings and first cousins, whereas Catholicism tended to ban close marriages outside of royalty whenever possible.  This wasn't a religious taboo but rather a practical one born out of experience that became a custom that spread to all European cultures, to one extent or another.  The demonstrated results in royal families only reinforced this.

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9 minutes ago, Clephas said:

Incidentally, the main reason for the incest taboo isn't really religious.  It is because if multiple generations inbreed, you get sickly kids, stupid kids, and psychotic kids.  Most cultures that aren't isolated picked up this taboo relatively early on, and significant attempts were made to close of marriages in smaller communities, even going so far as to offer girls up to travelers with the intention of having them get pregnant.  Since those were generally a time when kids were raised by a village, there was generally either no taboo or only a small one on sex outside of marriage. 

If you read the Old Testament, you'll pick up on a lot of oddities that are glossed over in modern culture, such as marriages between half-siblings and first cousins, whereas Catholicism tended to ban close marriages outside of royalty whenever possible.  This wasn't a religious taboo but rather a practical one born out of experience that became a custom that spread to all European cultures, to one extent or another.  The demonstrated results in royal families only reinforced this.

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so, @Clephas how do you feel about reading it in vn or others? enjoy them? hate them? dont mind either way?

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1 hour ago, mitchhamilton said:

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so, @Clephas how do you feel about reading it in vn or others? enjoy them? hate them? dont mind either way?

If it is interesting, I like it, if it is boring, I don't.  I hated it in Hoshimemo, because the imouto-character was annoying and their relationship wasn't interesting.  However, in Reminiscence or Hatsugamai... the incestuous part is the best part.  For that matter, Unmei Yohou's imouto incest route is nice and screwy and thus interesting.

The fact is, the more twisted a situation, the more a good writer can make it interesting.  Incest is perfect for that, and as a result, a disproportionate number of incest relationships make for great stories.  That said, if you asked me how I feel about rl incest...?  Blech.  Simply, blech.  Not because it is gross, but because it is stupid.  Fiction is fiction, rl is rl.  If you can't make the distinction once you are done reading/playing/watching, then you shouldn't have anything to do with fiction.

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I can see the appeal of it in the whole taboo porn deal because let's face it I've looked it up quite a few times (Sister and mother stuff specifically) but in visual novels I'm ambivalent towards it. It kind of always feels very forced and it doesn't really add much for me. Every time I hear a character say oh were not really related I roll my eyes because I know what's bound to happen next.

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Apparently, 6 people controlling half of the entire world's wealth is permitted by the universe (and so is attempting to monetize everything under the sun). So if they can do that, then we can indulge in whatever sexual fetishes we like. Also, we as a species are too sexually repressed for my liking (I say that as a sexually frustrated male myself xD).

Cynicism aside, I don't have any real issues with incest anyways. I'm not really into it, but I don't mind it.

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Incest isn’t a fetish of mine, but I do like having women in their 30s or 40s as routes in VN.  The two most common ways they show up seem to be teachers and family members, so I go with it.  Not much interest in siblings or father/daughter.

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On 28/11/2017 at 4:14 AM, Dr.Bisquick said:

Would that be considered homosexual or masturbation? Either way, I'm down with it.

It's called selfcest and it exists as a fetish 

As for incest, a fetish is  fetish and given how popular it is in porn, I'd wager many people woylf be OK with it actually (not necessarily themselves, but between consenting adults) 

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Well, IRL I don't really care about incest, or whatever people do in their private life that doesn't hurt others, policy of mine. If they were to have children though, then I'd actually have an issue and the moral obligation to reprehend it, since it'd be causing harm to a third person who shouldn't bear the responsability for their parents deeds.

Now, onto fiction. I can in theory appreciate a well-written incest story like any other. The incest element per se doesn't usually put me off, though I do agree with those of you who said that when it goes beyond siblings or cousins it tends to stir up some feeling of aversion, at least at first sight. Perhaps it's just due to the fact that I cannot wrap my head around how someone could develop romantic feelings or sexual desire for, say, their parents. 

That said, I'll always defend fiction's rights to explore any topic imaginable in every imaginable way. Not only it is entitled to do so, but it's a good thing to do since it shoves us out of our confort zone and makes us think about topics that often woudn't even cross our minds. 

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I think sibling incest might be convenient in harem series and short series.

In terms of a harem series it is usually good to early on have characters introduced who loves the MC. If it takes too long people interested in it might drop it. Because of this I think that character tropes like little sisters and childhood friends are quite useful. Most of the time they already love the MC, as such they can be useful for quickly giving the viewer what they want and then be explored more in details afterwards. They may also be useful for nukige where the characters are suposed to be in love. Most nukige don't really want to use much time on buliding the relationships before they have sex. Because of this they either have to start with minor sexual acts and build up to actual sex while managing the ralationship growth, like for instance eroge! sex and games makes sexy games, or they can have a characters that already love the MC such as little sisters or childhood friends. The same would be true for short eromanga/nukige/eroanime where there isn't enough time to build a relationship. This is of course only in regards to where there is supose to be some kind of love between the characters, so most nukige would be excluded from this.

 

This is of course not the only reason for sibling incest in media, but I do think it might have helped it get more popular in manga, anime, LN and VN than in typical western media

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