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Why Tentacle Rape genre is exist?


Huang Ling Yin

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I regularly get off to tentacle porn, so it's not hard for me to understand the appeal. Guro and scat, on the other hand, are two fetishes I will never comprehend. I don't think I've even met anyone who was into that stuff as a form of arousal.

11 hours ago, Huang Ling Yin said:

i never understand other people fetish, i did... try them... but, i feel like... not, its not my cup of tea...

Have you considered light tentacle porn? I normally don't go for the excessive painful stuff myself unless it's drawn really well, but the 'comfortable' tentacle rapes can be pretty awesome (they are a bit rare, though). If you're up for it, give this one a try.

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I haven't quite dipped into tentacle for eroge yet, so I'm not sure what would fit the bill on that end.

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12 hours ago, Nandemonai said:

Nah, that might have something to do with it, but that's not the real reason.  The real reason is it was a workaround for Japanese censorship laws.  See, back in the 80's censorship was much worse than it is now.  Really old h-ovas would have the whole cock disappear or turn into a vague white outline during a blowjob, for example.  Male-female penetration and pubic hair were the big things, though.

The key thing is that technically, a tentacle is not a male sex organ.  So you could have 100% uncensored tentacle scenes in your h-ova, with no legal problems, but you couldn't show vanilla consensual sex without censoring the heck out of it.  That is the real reason tentacle rape became "a thing".

That is an Internet myth that became popular because it provides simple answers for something most people can't understand, but it is actually not true.

Censorship was very lax in the 80s. The reason for this is that home video anime was still a new medium and hentai as a genre wasn't yet as pornographic as it is today, so the creators didn't know yet how they should apply these censorship laws that initially were invented for 3DPD porn. Tentacles back then were uncensored, but so were also vulvas and other things without a pornographic context. That changed a few years later when hentai became mainstream and censorship was enforced vehemently. Not only needed human genitals to be censored, vaginal and phallic objects, like tentacles, had to be censored too. 

Tentacles being a workaround for censorship laws is therefore nonsensical. There were no need and when the need arose, tentacles too were victims of it.
Also, littleshogun already provided a source showing that tentacles were part of Japanese erotography for a long time already, so tentacles becoming a "thing" in the 80s couldn't have been true anyway.

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Really old h-ovas would have the whole cock disappear or turn into a vague white outline during a blowjob, for example.

That was for aesthetic reasons since mosaics are ugly. For some reasons the perception of this changed in the later 90s, but that has nothing to do with censorship either.

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Sorry, dude, but no less than Toshio Maeda, the creator of Urotsukidoji (which literally invented tentacle porn) has denied this:

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Is there any relationship between your use of tentacles and older ukiyo-e style Japanese artwork?

People always ask me that! When I got started using tentacles using tentacle scenes in my manga I didn’t think I was being influenced by artists like Hokusai and ukiyo-e prints, but I don’t know. It may be subconsciously implanted inside of me. As a kid I’d look at at ukiyo-e prints, but not the adult ones— just the landscapes and portraits of women. So I really hadn’t seen the adult ones before.

What was the inspiration for using them?

Actually, it was just a trick to get around censorship. In Japan, you’re not allowed to show a man on top of a woman in bed, because that implies sex. In my time, it was even more strict than now. It was supposed to be covered by the blanket, because if they had a blanket, you’re not sure. I didn’t like that.

So I just tried to make them separate, but when they’re away from each other… your thing can’t reach, right? It’s limited… 10 inches tops. So, if you had a longer one, 6-7 feet, it would be able to reach. But no human being has one that size, so… it could be monster. If it was monster, several tentacles might be feasible.

When I depict the details of such tentacles it’s not a dick, it’s just part of a monster’s body, so it could get through the censors. That’s why I did it.

Another reason I did it is when using the tentacles, I could draw different types of positions for the ladies, which was good as an artist. It was creative. Using tentacles, there was no gravity… So I could draw women in any type of position. And I loved that.

Edit:  I might have been off on the timeline, and the specific detail about censorship in early H-OVAs might have been incorrect.  But the anime version of Urotsukidoji came out around the same time as the manga.  And the creators of tentacle porn have said quite clearly that they were covered by the censorship rules, and that's why tentacles came into existence.  And censorship also clearly used to be much more extensive than it is now.  Nowadays it's common to find stuff so minimally censored it might as well not even be censored at all.

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Maeda didn't draw hentai mangas initially. His intent was not to draw intercourse. Look how he phrased his explanation:

20 minutes ago, Nandemonai said:

Actually, it was just a trick to get around censorship. In Japan, you’re not allowed to show a man on top of a woman in bed, because that implies sex.

That is clearly not meant in the context of porn since, well, explicit sex is the whole reason for its existence. He talks about exploring the boundaries of non-porn mangas with softcore elements. In this context, a tentacle monster is of course not as sexual as a naked man. And provides more opportunities for drawing stimulating situations without using an actual sexual context.
Remember that "tentacle rape" was invented for the anime adaptation of his work, it wasn't his intention in the beginning to go this route. A quote from Wikipedia:

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Maeda is credited with the proliferation of the tentacle rape genre mostly on the reputation of the animated versions of his manga, but he did not implement the use of the "tentacle" as an erotic device until the 1989 Demon Beast Invasion. Although Urotsukidoji is often labeled as being the first tentacle rape manga, it was in fact only featured in the anime version.

Also, when he speaks of censorship, he doesn't mean mosaics, he really means what is allowed to be published (in a non-porn magazine) and what not.

If you apply his reasoning to actual hentai anime, the genre of tentacle porn and the fascination with tentacles (Maeda even admits in your quote, that he was probably subconsciously influenced by ukiyo-e), you're using it out of context.

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11 hours ago, Huang Ling Yin said:

okay, more or less... i know the answer, there is no limit and there is no something strange if we talk about fetishes (either tentacle rape or even pony)
it just me (the strange one) who think that other people taste is strange.
anyway, thanks!

I dont know if I would say it isnt strange, I certainly wouldnt be going telling anyone I know IRL that I am into hentai porn (let alone any fetishes within hentai porn). Naturally I wouldnt feel this way if it wasnt on some level considered strange. I have been that two faced fool IRL that joked about tentacle porn and hentai in general, nodding along about how anyone could be into that stuff, while thinking meh, real porn sucks, bad acting, most pornstars are grim, etc. Sex > Hentai Porn > Porn (I was talking to a girl in my defense, was hardly going to come out and say it). But with the anonymity of the internet, and this forum about VNs where many of the people know about this stuff, none of these fetishes are particularly strange even if one persons likes are another persons hates and visa versa.

Your question is a fair one, but to pose it, you have to question why Bondage hentai, why food eating hentai, why scat, why traps, why hentai in the first place... etc.

The answer ofc, is that everyone has their likes and dislikes as I said above (and has been said by others).

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3 hours ago, FinalCloud said:

I dont know if I would say it isnt strange, I certainly wouldnt be going telling anyone I know IRL that I am into hentai porn (let alone any fetishes within hentai porn). Naturally I wouldnt feel this way if it wasnt on some level considered strange. I have been that two faced fool IRL that joked about tentacle porn and hentai in general, nodding along about how anyone could be into that stuff, while thinking meh, real porn sucks, bad acting, most pornstars are grim, etc. Sex > Hentai Porn > Porn (I was talking to a girl in my defense, was hardly going to come out and say it). But with the anonymity of the internet, and this forum about VNs where many of the people know about this stuff, none of these fetishes are particularly strange even if one persons likes are another persons hates and visa versa.

Your question is a fair one, but to pose it, you have to question why Bondage hentai, why food eating hentai, why scat, why traps, why hentai in the first place... etc.

The answer ofc, is that everyone has their likes and dislikes as I said above (and has been said by others).

Yeah, but because what's considered "strange" simply derives from what most people do and what they're used to, it's not a useful point of reference in this kind of discussion. The most important thing is that there's nothing wrong with most fetishes, no matter how weird they might seem from outsider's point of view or how frowned upon they might be - they're just personal quirks that in most cases hurts no one. Especially when we talk about fiction, which for vast majority of people doesn't have to translate to any RL practices or fantasies.

And after all, we're all part of a community that is considered a bunch a weirdos by most of the world. :P In  case of someone like me being an anime fan, a VN fan, a fan of yuri romance - these are not some heavily "obscene" tendencies, but definitely can get people weirded out and I wouldn't mention it to someone I don't trust to understand where I'm coming from. Sexual preferences and porn might have more "impact" and make people even more uncomfortable, but isn't really fundamentally different. 

But this also has a positive side-effect - pretty much all people here know they could be judged (and maybe were judged in the past) for they peculiar tastes and, in most cases, will know better than judging others for their quirks and preferences, as long as they don't hurt anyone. ;)

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5 minutes ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

Yeah, but because what's considered "strange" simply derives from what most people do and what they're used to, it's not a useful point of reference in this kind of discussion. The most important thing is that there's nothing wrong with most fetishes, no matter how weird they might seem from outsider's point of view or how frowned upon they might be - they're just personal quirks that in most cases hurts no one. Especially when we talk about fiction, which for vast majority of people doesn't have to translate to any RL practices or fantasies.

And after all, we're all part of a community that is considered a bunch a weirdos by most of the world. :P In  case of someone like me being an anime fan, a VN fan, a fan of yuri romance - these are not some heavily "obscene" tendencies, but definitely can get people weirded out and I wouldn't mention it to someone I don't trust to understand where I'm coming from.

In referencing IRL I was merely providing a context in which "tentacle r$pe" is considered strange, along with most other things featured in hentai plus hentai itself. Thus highlighting that it is BECAUSE we are on this forum/the internet that some people are able to overtly express their "like" for that fetish, thus creating demand for material like that to be produced and therefore ultimately that people accept that fetish as not being "strange"

Essentially the point I was highlighting is the point that you just made -.-. As per this part:

8 minutes ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

because what's considered "strange" simply derives from what most people do and what they're used to

But with the added point that it is the anonymity of the net that makes any persons fetishes able to be explored. Not necessarily a direct answer to the question, hence the part that followed directly answered the post. It was merely my own thoughts on the matter.

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41 minutes ago, FinalCloud said:

In referencing IRL I was merely providing a context in which "tentacle r$pe" is considered strange, along with most other things featured in hentai plus hentai itself. Thus highlighting that it is BECAUSE we are on this forum/the internet that some people are able to overtly express their "like" for that fetish, thus creating demand for material like that to be produced and therefore ultimately that people accept that fetish as not being "strange"

Essentially the point I was highlighting is the point that you just made -.-. As per this part:

But with the added point that it is the anonymity of the net that makes any persons fetishes able to be explored. Not necessarily a direct answer to the question, hence the part that followed directly answered the post. It was merely my own thoughts on the matter.

Oh, I didn't disagree with you in any way, more like expanded on the idea. I also think it goes beyond sheer anonymity, it's also about finding a community in which you can speak freely without fear of being rejected or vilified (regardless of whether anyone can identify you in RL), I'm a newbie here, but so far Fuwa seems pretty good in this respect. :)

31 minutes ago, Thyndd said:

I'm another normie who doesn't get off to tentacle stuff as well, or for that matter, any weird fetishes. Sometimes I might like something a little outside the norm, but it's not as crystal clear as to identify any particular fetishes.

In general, give me soppy lovey-dovey stuff and I should enjoy that :isla:

Oh, I'm very much the same, but I also have some online friends that are into various rare fetishes and I'm super curious about this stuff. Not for "personal use", but rather about how it works and what people create to get their fix. It's also more or less within my academic field of interest. ;)

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1 minute ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

Oh, I didn't disagree with you in any way, more like expanded on the idea. I also think it goes beyond sheer anonymity, it's also about finding a community in which you can speak freely without fear of being rejected or vilified (regardless of whether anyone can identify you in RL), I think Fuwa is pretty good in this respect. :)

Oh, I'm very much the same, but I also have some online friends that are into various rare fetishes and I'm super curious about this stuff. Not for "personal use", but rather about how it works and what people create to get their fix. It's also more or less within my academic field of interest. ;)

Yeah, and on that note, I'd like to point out that most people don't carry their fetishes onto real life. What I mean by this is, even if someone gets off to rape pornography, it's not like that would be something they would enjoy in real life, mainly because empathy is a thing for most of us. So, exactly, I'm the opinion that everyone should be able to speak freely about this without being vilified.

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