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What do you seek from VNs?


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I seek a story that will draw me in and make me forget about time going by. I seek that warm feeling that I get when I read a love story that's very well written, and when it has amazingly drawn pictures that accompany the story, it's perfect for me. What makes me give the highest points to any story (for VNs that's 10 points on VNDB) is, when it's over, it'll give me this empty feeling of just having ended something amazing, and makes me long for me to forget it so I can't read it again. It has to give me so many feels. If it does that, it gets a 9/10. If, in addition to all that, it manages to make me cry, it's a 10/10.

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Isn't it obvious? xD Entertainment :D That's the one-encompassing word to describe all feelings that I desire from visual novels: thrill, excitement, fun, laugh, titillation, etc. All of it in the name of entertainment :D ... As for why VNs as a medium, it's perhaps because I find the narrative and audio-visual aspect of them quite alluring + how they aren't just simple books (that require imagination on the part of the reader). Ofcourse, I like other mediums of entertainment as well but VNs feel like something I am enjoying the most at the moment.

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It's quite simple yet hard to answer question for me to be honest. As for my reason, well at first it was just because the girls artwork to be honest and I think it's still is because sometimes I decided to keep my interest to the announcement because of the graphic (Although production value like seiyuu also play in my decision though). But if the VN did had bad art and had good story, then I would be okay with that as well. Of course it would be good though if we got high production value and good story.

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I would list couple of reasons.

  1. It is obviously a way to distract attention from real life. It can be anything. From distraction of tired body after work, tired mind after studying or, which is probably the most important for anime/VN communities, a way to escape reality from the fact that, how would many VNs' protagonist would phrase, you are single for as many years as you are alive...
  2. Personally, I like to read. I have read over 300 novels and web novels and over 50 VNs. I especially like Asian writing styles. Most of popular western literature is ether badly written copy paste of females dream realization or just plainly hard to remember due to sheer number of characters and boringly written events. Of course, most of Japanese and Chinese VNs and LNs/WNs are the opposite, aka realization of males' dreams, but I consider those to be trash as well. But sometimes among all that trash one can find true gems. what I liked the most when it comes to VNs, is the ability to choose your story, the multi route connection and connection between music and scenes which helps to create exactly the atmosphere that authors wanted to create.
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19 hours ago, DharmaFreedom said:

Do you despise the people or the continent? 

PS: Basically I'm asking you if you are racist against Asian people or you dislike the weather in Asian countries or something. 

I don't really like most aspect of eastern asia culture and way of life, it's a strange love/hate relationship. Like I said in another thread I'd be willing to transfer permanently to japan only after retirment or if I somehow win/obtain plenty of money to live w/o getting involved in their bullshitery.

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21 minutes ago, WinterfuryZX said:

I don't really like most aspect of eastern asia culture and way of life, it's a strange love/hate relationship. Like I said in another thread I'd be willing to transfer permanently to japan only after retirment or if I somehow win/obtain plenty of money to live w/o getting involved in their bullshitery.

Ah I see, so you dislike the culture, but you're fine with the people? if not, would you consider yourself racist? [not attacking you btw, just a mere question]

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2 hours ago, Sparteh said:

I would list couple of reasons.

  1. It is obviously a way to distract attention from real life. It can be anything. From distraction of tired body after work, tired mind after studying or, which is probably the most important for anime/VN communities, a way to escape reality from the fact that, how would many VNs' protagonist would phrase, you are single for as many years as you are alive...
  2. Personally, I like to read. I have read over 300 novels and web novels and over 50 VNs. I especially like Asian writing styles. Most of popular western literature is ether badly written copy paste of females dream realization or just plainly hard to remember due to sheer number of characters and boringly written events. Of course, most of Japanese and Chinese VNs and LNs/WNs are the opposite, aka realization of males' dreams, but I consider those to be trash as well. But sometimes among all that trash one can find true gems. what I liked the most when it comes to VNs, is the ability to choose your story, the multi route connection and connection between music and scenes which helps to create exactly the atmosphere that authors wanted to create.

I'd highly disagree with both, but let's leave it at that. Good prose is not about self-insertion or fulfillment of people's dreams, it's about immersion vs. commercialism. The most successful, prolific writers balance on the edge of popularity and multiple risks, being incredibly good at what they do and being highly capable (and knowing how) to sell their works; if you want to be successful, you need to learn how to be marketable at your time and age and the bigger the target audience, the bigger the chance for success.

If you want to know my opinion - most japanese vn writers are incredibly bad, but their lack of skill is something that came to be overlooked over the passing years. This steems from their otaku culture, that spawned the very market they are all a part of right now.

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7 hours ago, Nandemonai said:

I resent that!  I'll have you know that I'm reading these games for the articles!

You're probably also watching Anime for the PLOT!

 

6 hours ago, DharmaFreedom said:

Ah I see, so you dislike the culture, but you're fine with the people? if not, would you consider yourself racist? [not attacking you btw, just a mere question]

He's not a racist, he's is a culturist.

A racist thinks certain people are inferior for superficial reasons like skin color or the place of birth. A culturist however dislikes certain cultures based on his own morals and values which these cultures don't respect or are working against.
Being a culturist is the inevitable conclusion to every human being who has a strong sense of what is right or wrong and does not just blindly accept other ideas and concepts just for the sake of being tolerant when they are (in his opinion) clearly wrong.

There is much too dislike about Japan. I could count dozens of things that are (in my opinion) wrong with this country. But this wrongness is also the reason why this country can produce so many stories and other pieces of art that resonate with so many people around the world.
I don't want to live in Japan, but I'll gladly take it's products.

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27 minutes ago, Tyrosyn said:

he's is a culturist.

  I know what a culturist is mate, but there's also such a thing as cultural racism. I was asking him since I don't know him at all since I wouldn't know his actually view on the matter unless he mentions it himself. There isn't enough information provided to form a clear picture on where he actually stands.

He says he despises Asia, he feels contempt and repugnance for Asia by definition. There are 48 countries in Asia, each with each own sets of culture and beliefs among many other things. I'm sorry but I don't see the point of you answering for another person when there is simply no need, i directed the question at the person I tagged.

Did winterfury give you permission to be his voice? If you know him incredibly well and understand his believes then you should probably state that first. 

Cultaralism is abstract compared to the definitions of racism. Anyway I'm going to cut myself short. My intention was just to ask him and it'll be up to him if he divulges his opinion on the matter or not. Its well within his rights to simply ignore the question. Cheers.

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1 minute ago, DharmaFreedom said:

Did winterfury give you permission to be his voice? If you know him incredibly well and understand his believes then you should probably state that first. 

Eh, I was not being his voice. I just stated that he didn't say anything racist at all. I don't need to know him personally to be able to read his posts lol. The assumption that anything he had said could be considered even remotely as racist motivated me enough to give you some of my thoughts regarding this topic.

Also, there is no such thing as "cultural racism". That's just a nice term people use as an excuse to label other people who dare to have opinions about other cultures as racists.

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19 minutes ago, Tyrosyn said:

hat's just a nice term people use as an excuse to label other people who dare to have opinions about other cultures as racists.

He said he despises the culture of an entire continent. Hence I asked what he meant. I didn't say he was racist, I was asking his thoughts on it. I didn't condemn him for anything so I don't see why you feel the need to start a pointless discussion about an abstract idea like culturalism [its a concept] and plugging me with this whole generalisation of peoples views about racism and such. 

19 minutes ago, Tyrosyn said:

The assumption that anything he had said could be considered even remotely as racist motivated me enough to give you some of my thoughts regarding this topic.

When did I assume he was racist? I never assumed that, I was just asking him for clarification, his thoughts. You are assuming my intentions and what I meant. I rather not continue this pointlessness further. Please motivate yourself to giving someone else your thoughts.

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Ah I see, so you dislike the culture, but you're fine with the people? if not, would you consider yourself racist? [not attacking you btw, just a mere question]

Honestly I'm just look at what I asked him and its just a simple question, I'm not saying he is a racist, all I'm saying is if he's not fine with the people, would he then consider himself one. I don't know how that got contrued to me assuming that he is in fact a racist. Sigh... Oh well I'll go watch Aria.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, DharmaFreedom said:

I don't see why you feel the need to start a pointless discussion about an abstract idea like culturalism [its a concept]

If you had read my post you would know it was part of my hypothesis on how the culture of Japan and the differences between it and our western society is linked to why we find Asian and especially Japanese entertainment so interesting; which is directly relevant to the topic of "what do we seek from vns?" and is an original thought of mine I wanted to introduce into this discussion. That is what a forum is for after all.
 

33 minutes ago, DharmaFreedom said:

I rather not continue this pointlessness further. Please motivate yourself to giving someone else your thoughts.

You started this. And I was trying to be polite, it's your passive aggressiveness that made this ugly.
And I know for a fact that some people here appreciate my thoughts. Why do you want to censor me?

33 minutes ago, DharmaFreedom said:

When did I assume he was racist? I never assumed that, I was just asking him for clarification, his thoughts. You are assuming my intentions and what I meant.

You assume that I assumed what you assumed? That's some inception tier strawmanning right here.

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39 minutes ago, Tyrosyn said:

And I know for a fact that some people here appreciate my thoughts. Why do you want to censor me?

I tagged him in my question, it was directed at him not you. You tagged me in your reply relating to what I asked him. I didn't see why you felt the need you push yourself into my simple question. I never said everyone here never appreciated your thoughts, I just meant in this situation where I'm asking someone else something, I didn't appreciate your need to push yourself into a question I asked another person. You started it by tagging me directly in your reply with an answer to a question I asked him.

I wasn't being passive aggressive, I was being plain aggressive because it annoys me when people answer for others. I don't have any intention to strawman you, why should I aim to defeat your argument when I never intended to get into one with an unrelated person in the first place. Its fine if it got ugly, I stand by what I said, you stand by what you said, that's it. 

Its not like I'm going to hold a grudge on you or I suddenly hate you or something. That would be even more pointless.

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If you had read my post you would know it was part of my hypothesis on how the culture of Japan and the differences between it and our western society is linked to why we find Asian and especially Japanese entertainment so interesting; which is directly relevant to the topic of "what do we seek from vns?" and is an original thought of mine I wanted to introduce into this discussion. That is what a forum is for after all.

If you wanted to introduce it into the forum discussion, why did you tag me in it and start of by saying winterfury is a culturalist and not a racist, and then go on to define racism and culturalism based on my question to him...That had nothing to do with "what do we seek from vns". You tagged me and you replied to me about whether winterfury is a culturalist. Your second paragraph was your explanation about you and your thoughts about Japan.

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11 minutes ago, DharmaFreedom said:

You tagged me

I did not tag you. I quoted you. (I don't like this tagging feature. I don't like to get personal.) I used your discussion and its themes (disliking a culture, but enjoying its entertainment) as an entry point for my line of thought. Most of what I said was written in a very generalized way. I did not answer for him. Relating to your discussion, the only thing I stated was that nothing he said can be considered racist as all. Exactly because I'm an unrelated party and impartial, I found it important to say that nothing of what he said was offensive.

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1 minute ago, Tyrosyn said:

I did not tag you. I quoted you. (I don't like this tagging feature. I don't like to get personal.) I used your discussion and its themes (disliking a culture, but enjoying its entertainment) as an entry point for my line of thought. Most of what I said was written in a very generalized way. I did not answer for him. Relating to your discussion, the only thing I stated was that nothing he said can be considered racist as all. Exactly because I'm an unrelated party and impartial, I found it important to say that nothing of what he said was offensive.

Okay you quoted me.  Well I think some Asians might feel offended that he views their cultures with contempt and disgust but that's his opinion. Okay man, cheers.

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9 minutes ago, Okarin said:

DharmaFreedom, if you want to read Winterfury's opinion just wait for it, and don't tangle with other people.

I know the primary response when feeling offended is to retaliate, but in a great number of cases letting go is better.

Yeah I agree with you, I made a mistake by replying. I should have just said nothing and let it go. I feel bad that our back and forth 'dirtied' a peaceful topic now. If the mods viewed it as ugly and removed my comments I'll be fine with that. I'm fine with people reading the back and forth, it just feels  unnecessary and -ve for this topic. :(

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