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9 hours ago, Funyarinpa said:

It is "not extreme" only in the sense that "Some people don't feel physically disgusted while playing it". A VN that features repeated and detailed scenes of torture and rape is "extreme" in every other sense of the word.

There are more extreme VNs out there (Starless with its 80 scenes, guillodick, horses, pigs comes to mind) but Euphoria is still at a 9.9999 if not a 10 on the "really fucked up shit" scale.

 

Well, the people that told me that aren't that normal, so maybe that's it. :lol: And yeah, I was thinking comparatively. I admit that euphoria is bad, but if euphoria is a 10 in the scale, things like Starless and Maggot Baits are a 1000000. So it doesn't sound so bad, if that makes sense.

But I heard that this was true for euphoria only in the first half of the routes, and the true route kinda shifts genre? Of course, even like this, people that got turned off in the first half will not keep playing to see the difference (like me).

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On 12/06/2017 at 4:17 PM, Funyarinpa said:

It is "not extreme" only in the sense that "Some people don't feel physically disgusted while playing it". A VN that features repeated and detailed scenes of torture and rape is "extreme" in every other sense of the word.

There are more extreme VNs out there (Starless with its 80 scenes, guillodick, horses, pigs comes to mind) but Euphoria is still at a 9.9999 if not a 10 on the "really fucked up shit" scale.

 

Meh, please, even for a ClockUp VN it's not that fucked up.

 

And as you said Starless is on a whole other level of fucked up, that entire VN is based of fucked upery. 

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On 6/14/2017 at 2:07 AM, Kurisu-Chan said:

Meh, please, even for a ClockUp VN it's not that fucked up.

 

And as you said Starless is on a whole other level of fucked up, that entire VN is based of fucked upery. 

 

On 6/13/2017 at 2:47 AM, MaggieROBOT said:

Well, the people that told me that aren't that normal, so maybe that's it. :lol: And yeah, I was thinking comparatively. I admit that euphoria is bad, but if euphoria is a 10 in the scale, things like Starless and Maggot Baits are a 1000000. So it doesn't sound so bad, if that makes sense.

But I heard that this was true for euphoria only in the first half of the routes, and the true route kinda shifts genre? Of course, even like this, people that got turned off in the first half will not keep playing to see the difference (like me).

These comments to me are just insane. Euphoria is "not that fucked up"? Only a 10 compared to a 1000000 for Starless or Maggot Baits? Euphoria is already so fucked up and beyond any semblance of normalcy that going beyond that doesn't really change anything. Yes, those other two are "more" fucked up, but it really doesn't change anything. And really, imagine yourself, being placed into concrete, into a wall, in a public toilet, with only your chest, ass, genitals, face, and hands sticking out of the concrete, where you will be repeatedly gangr***d, used as a public toilet, and otherwise tortured, abused and used. You'd be unable to move, or even clean yourself, covered in come, piss and shit, until you die in that wall where you are stuck inside of concrete. But no, that's not "that fucked up"? Because the other games, have more gore or beastiality? It's like saying Hitler wasn't "that fucked up" because he didn't also personally r*** and murder babies and puppies. He already was so far beyond any Moral Event Horizon, and so irredeemably evil, that it wouldn't matter if he was even more fucked up. Same thing with Euphoria

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6 hours ago, IamShocked said:

 

These comments to me are just insane. Euphoria is "not that fucked up"? Only a 10 compared to a 1000000 for Starless or Maggot Baits? Euphoria is already so fucked up and beyond any semblance of normalcy that going beyond that doesn't really change anything. Yes, those other two are "more" fucked up, but it really doesn't change anything. And really, imagine yourself, being placed into concrete, into a wall, in a public toilet, with only your chest, ass, genitals, face, and hands sticking out of the concrete, where you will be repeatedly gangr***d, used as a public toilet, and otherwise tortured, abused and used. You'd be unable to move, or even clean yourself, covered in come, piss and shit, until you die in that wall where you are stuck inside of concrete. But no, that's not "that fucked up"? Because the other games, have more gore or beastiality? It's like saying Hitler wasn't "that fucked up" because he didn't also personally r*** and murder babies and puppies. He already was so far beyond any Moral Event Horizon, and so irredeemably evil, that it wouldn't matter if he was even more fucked up. Same thing with Euphoria

You sure have a point, but one thing you kind of miss is that Euphoria can get really extreme, but most of the scenes are more fetishistic than they are super-extreme (and there's a decent number of genuinely mild ones), while something like Starless or Maggot Baits is not only more brutal, but also absolutely relentless. Euphoria might occasionally be 10/10, but it's like 6,5 on average, while Maggot Baits is 9/10 on average and occasionally just so WTF it escapes the scale. 😛

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So is another fifteen years old did read euphoria without doing some research beforehand? That said if you do some research before reading it, I can guarantee that you won't trapped in reading a disturbing VN. And no even with knowledge that the plot twist is interesting on it's own, I won't either reading this or adding it into one of best rated VNs in my list. As for imagining the bad situation would happen in real life, better not imagine that because those disturbing scenes are more or less just a result of imagination that was created for some people with niche interest.

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I mean just look at the pictures on their vndb page, or just some first pictures of these VNs on Google, it's disturbing enough for me.

I actually watched about half of Euphoria's first anime episode, because the confinement setting really piqued my interest. 

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On 11/21/2020 at 11:20 PM, Plk_Lesiak said:

You sure have a point, but one thing you kind of miss is that Euphoria can get really extreme, but most of the scenes are more fetishistic than they are super-extreme (and there's a decent number of genuinely mild ones), while something like Starless or Maggot Baits is not only more brutal, but also absolutely relentless. Euphoria might occasionally be 10/10, but it's like 6,5 on average, while Maggot Baits is 9/10 on average and occasionally just so WTF it escapes the scale. 😛

I can see what you mean. Still, I'm just shocked that anyone could ever try to make it sound like Euphoria is "not that fucked up", even if more extreme things exist.

I've seen some of the disturbing parts from Starless and Maggot Baits (some very gory parts and bestiality), but not actually played them myself (maybe I'm also underestimating those VNs). How is the story in them?

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5 hours ago, droganpc said:

I mean just look at the pictures on their vndb page, or just some first pictures of these VNs on Google, it's disturbing enough for me.

I actually watched about half of Euphoria's first anime episode, because the confinement setting really piqued my interest. 

From what I heard the anime is just pure hentai with minimal context. The VN actually has a lot of interesting story elements and I really like the dynamic between the characters in most routes, at least in the death game parts. It's still very much disgusting if you're sensitive to such stuff, but I don't regret my time with it despite not being into its varieties of porn at all. 😆

And beside that point, there are certain violent or questionable VNs that I'm actually disturbed by, like those explicitly romanticising paedophilia or playing straight into rape fantasies and fucked up misogynist tropes related to rape. Things like Euphoria in its "darkest" moments or similar guro VNs are actually so over-the-top and detached from reality that I find it silly to get worked up about them. If an average person reads Maggot Baits, I'm quite convinced that after the initial shock they would have a similar experience to mine, which means the h-scenes quickly grew boring or baffling depending on the theme. Plus from what I've seen guro VNs generally associate sexualized violence with monstrosity and evil – this is particularly interesting in Euphoria where the protagonist is the perpetrator for much of the story, but his dark impulses and the morality of his actions, despite the coercion element, are never sugar-coated and make for an interesting conflict. If you removed 50% of the h-scenes from that game which are pure fanservice, and tweaked some routes a little bit, I'd be tempted to agree with people giving it a legendary status.

Generally, I find many things about VNs that look way less extreme on paper more problematic than guro. It's weird that people fap to such stuff, but I'm way less worried about Dergonu cutting someone into pieces than I am about certain other things that are not to be spoken about on this site... 😛

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7 minutes ago, IamShocked said:

I've seen some of the disturbing parts from Starless and Maggot Baits (some very gory parts and bestiality), but not actually played them myself (maybe I'm also underestimating those VNs). How is the story in them?

Maggot Baits is really climatic and has some fascinating ideas that are absolutely drowned in a sea of porn... So much of it that it's tedious to even skip through the stuff if guro is not your thing. I'd even go as far as saying that the first ending is fascinating and resonated with me in a way I wasn't expecting, but it's near impossible to recommend the game as a whole as something other than a guro nukige – Euphoria also is bloated with pointless h-scenes, but not anywhere to that level. I wrote a full review about it, if you're interested.

Starless I haven't played myself, but nothing I heard about it made me believe it has even the pretence of meaningful storyline Maggot Baits tries to pull off, but maybe the guro experts will correct me. :P

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On 11/23/2020 at 10:32 PM, Plk_Lesiak said:

Maggot Baits is really climatic and has some fascinating ideas that are absolutely drowned in a sea of porn... So much of it that it's tedious to even skip through the stuff if guro is not your thing. I'd even go as far as saying that the first ending is fascinating and resonated with me in a way I wasn't expecting, but it's near impossible to recommend the game as a whole as something other than a guro nukige – Euphoria also is bloated with pointless h-scenes, but not anywhere to that level. I wrote a full review about it, if you're interested.

Starless I haven't played myself, but nothing I heard about it made me believe it has even the pretence of meaningful storyline Maggot Baits tries to pull off, but maybe the guro experts will correct me. :P

I read your review, very informative, thank you. Euphoria already very quickly annoyed me with the h-scenes, especially the dialogue/text during them, a lot of which seemed absurd and rarely seemed to add anything to the plot. It definitely would be a much better VN if all of that would be tweaked, and cut in at least half, as you said in your other post. If Maggot Baits is even worse in that regard, it really doesn't seem worth it, even if I was curious about how extreme a VN can get.

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3 hours ago, droganpc said:

now that I remembered, there's an old thread where people discussing 'fucked up VNs', and someone mentioned Dustmania, can't believe what I've found.

Seems like these things only exist in the realm of VNs. Actually vndb.org has the most detailed tags system regarding sexual content.

Well, that's a bit of a stretch, but VNs might be the only place where these kinds of porn are done commercially. It's not like extreme fetishes are exclusive to Japanese people and even 'real' porn can take some really fucked up forms, but it's kind of unique for Japan that a semi-respected and high-budget industry delves into such content and circulates it more or less like any other product.

And those companies have clear insentive to push boundaries and be "creative" with their porn to satisfy their customers. I'm pretty sure there are Western porn blogs and artists creating things just as vile as Starless or Maggot Baits and they would be doing it with or without being inspired by violent hentai – porn by its very nature gravitates towards breaking taboos and obscenity. But high-quality guro eroge is on completely different level when it goes to sophistication and intensity of the experience, and it doesn't hide itself like we in the West instinctively feel this kind of content should, so it likely feels more scandalous and unprecedented than it actually is.

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