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Hentai As An Art Form


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''Art'' is a vague term. Anyways, I agree it could be art if the artist is trying to express some aspects about the characters through a sex scene, like insecurity or an important step in a relationship. Also the drawing itself could be very well done, with a good composition and technique, that would be art. Though the image you posted ...meh, I cant see the art in there.  

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22 hours ago, God Of Hentai said:

Somehow this topic ended up being a roast to me, while I only wanted to know what u guys think of hentai.

Because you haven't given us any context for your story. You keep saying "I explained it in the presentation" but you haven't actually posted your presentation, your notes, your essays on the subject, or anything that might lead us to believe that you actually explained it well.

Right now the thread is roasting you because you haven't given us anything substantial to work with and so our imaginations are going wild working on the one piece of information you've given.

You're in the best place with people who are most receptive to discussing "hentai as art", and yet you chose to have that discussion in school and not here?

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2 minutes ago, pkalHere said:

Because you haven't given us any context for your story. You keep saying "I explained it in the presentation" but you haven't actually posted your presentation, your notes, your essays on the subject, or anything that might lead us to believe that you actually explained it well.

Right now the thread is roasting you because you haven't given us anything substantial to work with and so our imaginations are going wild working on the one piece of information you've given.

You're in the best place with people who are most receptive to discussing "hentai as art", and yet you chose to have that discussion in school and not here?

The main objetive of this thread was to hear peoples opinion on hentai as an art form and how its seen around the world, the presentation was only a context i used, u can call it an introduction. Somehow that ended up being the main theme, i guess people love controversy.

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3 hours ago, God Of Hentai said:

The main objetive of this thread was to hear peoples opinion on hentai as an art form and how its seen around the world, the presentation was only a context i used, u can call it an introduction. Somehow that ended up being the main theme, i guess people love controversy.

You can't really toss out a "here's a topic, discuss" without giving an discussion starter. And you did that, it's just that your starter was about your presentation and not your thoughts on hentai as art. Seriously, posting that would have been a good way to get this thread on track.

Anyway, a lot of the argument in this thread seems to be based around conflating fine art and applied art (or crafts). Fine art is art which emphasizes aesthetic experience and meaning, placing form before function. Applied art (and crafts) are the opposite, function comes first and foremost and aesthetic/meaning are secondary.

The line between them is blurry. A painting or print can be used in advertising, which is certainly applied art, whereas a sculpture made from welding rusted car parts together would likely fall into the realm of fine art. Clearly the medium doesn't define what is "fine art" and what isn't. Film and photography certainly straddle that line.

The reason I bring this up is because we can now focus our attention on pornography which can be filmed, written, drawn, rendered, etc. What line would pornography need to cross in order to be considered fine art? I argue that it can't. If it's pornography, it's created specifically for the purpose of getting people off. There was a >$1 million porn parody of Pirates of the Caribbean made a couple of years ago (come to think of it, close to a decade); it had a plot, actors actually acting as well as fucking, a musical score, costumes, etc. None of those things elevate it from being "a really expensive porn film".

The real question you should be asking is "What is Pornography?"

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2 hours ago, pkalHere said:

Anyway, a lot of the argument in this thread seems to be based around conflating fine art and applied art (or crafts). Fine art is art which emphasizes aesthetic experience and meaning, placing form before function. Applied art (and crafts) are the opposite, function comes first and foremost and aesthetic/meaning are secondary.

This is the thing I never understood about "Fine Art", which I will now term "rich people art" and "Applied Art" is now "working class art", it seems most people tell me that the artist is trying to convey a "message", "meaning", or even "feeling" behind the work..... however, unless the artist places a lengthy description of each and every element and how it fits the cohesive whole of the "message" the average person will never get what they are trying to say. 

It is the same thing with religion, if you pull fifty random Christians from around the world I guarantee you that each and everyone will have a different interpretation of several different passages, and without God present to explain the context and meaning to everyone, there will likely be no consensus.

Each individual finds meaning in different things and in different ways. A man could see the Grand Canyon as nothing but a check mark on the list of areas he needs to drive his RV to satisfy his family, while someone else could gain a different perperspective of their place in the universe and completely change their life. 

Is that really all rich people art is? A gigantic monument to humanity's inability to effectively communicate? 

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2 minutes ago, Soulless Watcher said:

This is the thing I never understood about "Fine Art", which I will now term "rich people art" and "Applied Art" is now "working class art", it seems most people tell me that the artist is trying to convey a "message", "meaning", or even "feeling" behind the work..... however, unless the artist places a lengthy description of each and every element and how it fits the cohesive whole of the "message" the average person will never get what they are trying to say. 

It is the same thing with religion, if you pull fifty random Christians from around the world I guarantee you that each and everyone will have a different interpretation of several different passages, and without God present to explain the context and meaning to everyone, there will likely be no consensus.

Each individual finds meaning in different things and in different ways. A man could see the Grand Canyon as nothing but a check mark on the list of areas he needs to drive his RV to satisfy his family, while someone else could gain a different perperspective of their place in the universe and completely change their life. 

Is that really all rich people art is? A gigantic monument to humanity's inability to effectively communicate? 

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That is needlessly reductive. Architecture is considered an applied art, as is fashion and interior design.

I'm glad you brought up the concept of consensus and experience. The audience is the other half of the work. There are many people, myself included, who believe that a piece of art is a collaborative effort between the artist and the viewer. An author may write a book, but it's not complete until it's actually read and interpreted. Once you get your hands on, say, a copy of the Bible, it becomes more than just a bunch of ink on paper because of the experiences and unique perception of the world that you carry with you.

The fact that many people can read it, analyze it, discuss it, and continue to find new things to discuss and interpret it is the reason why the book has lasted so long (well, one of the reasons). Ditto for Shakespeare and Neon Genesis.

It's really best to get rid of the idea of "the message" in art because as tempting as it might be to believe there's some kind of puzzle or meaning that you just need to uncover, it diminishes your ability to create the other half of the art.

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5 minutes ago, pkalHere said:

I'm glad you brought up the concept of consensus and experience. The audience is the other half of the work. There are many people, myself included, who believe that a piece of art is a collaborative effort between the artist and the viewer. An author may write a book, but it's not complete until it's actually read and interpreted. Once you get your hands on, say, a copy of the Bible, it becomes more than just a bunch of ink on paper because of the experiences and unique perception of the world that you carry with you.

The fact that many people can read it, analyze it, discuss it, and continue to find new things to discuss and interpret it is the reason why the book has lasted so long (well, one of the reasons). Ditto for Shakespeare and Neon Genesis.

It's really best to get rid of the idea of "the message" in art because as tempting as it might be to believe there's some kind of puzzle or meaning that you just need to uncover, it diminishes your ability to create the other half of the art.

Thank you for that reply, it has broaden my views on the subject a bit.

Although I wonder if that really just means that anything can be considered art if we discard the idea of the artist's intent in favor of the interpretation of the individual, or maybe that is just me trying to think of a purely subjective subject from an objective view. 

Kinda adds to that idea that everyone is a world unto themselves.

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About this thing about art and perspective, I suggest playing Rin's route in Katawa Shoujo.

Perspective is pretty easy to explain. If I enter a room with people sitting there, what I see and what they see is different. I see people sitting, they see a person entering the room. I hope the idea is easy to get. The position we currently occupy in life can determine most things. By position I mean: social, psychological, economic, et cetera. Even spatial position can be critical (if you can avoid a car accident or a robber, for example).

Subtle art means what the artist wants to portray. Meaning, if you don't directly ask the artist, you probably will never know. There are pieces of art that are perceived differently before and after you get an explanation about what they represent. And that's because we can't fathom what the artist was feeling or thinking when he/she did it -the psychological term "problem of other minds", aka we can never get to fully experience another person's perspective. But some art is just left there, ready for different people to give different meanings to it. In the end, what counts is the meaning you give it.

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