Clephas Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 8 minutes ago, Clephas said: Mmm... right now Dovac and Sekai Project are trying to get the best of both worlds with as little risk and as much benefit as possible. Eventually, their current model is going to screw them over if they aren't willing to settle for a lower margin on the h-material, just from a pragmatic perspective. If you sell three hundred h-versions but one thousand use the pirate patch who would have been willing to pay if the price was a bit lower... well, you can see who loses out, right? To be honest, it sometimes amazes me how much Dovac resembles that corrupt pharma bastard Shrkeli in tone and action. There isn't a whole lot to squeeze out of the VN market at this point, and if you go too far, about two-thirds of the normally-paying community will be perfectly willing to pirate your content if they think it is too highly priced (this is ignoring the people who pirate regardless, as their opinions really don't matter). As a practical matter, the VN community and industry has always been an interlinked seesaw that swings back between surges of piracy and purchases. This is because a lot of the people in the VN community don't have a ton of liquid assets in the first place, beyond what they need to stay alive and with a roof over their heads. If you price the VNs too high for the amount of content, the community pirates like crazy. If you price it too low, you don't make a profit. If he has a working brain, Dovac will eventually have to strike a balance between overt profit-mongering and sales... to be honest, his singular talent for alienating the community is pretty amusing from where I stand. As another practical matter, nukige-lovers started the VN localization industry, for all intents and purposes. Their insane obsessions resulted in the birth of the first VN-localization companies, and they still remain either the largest minority or the majority, depending on whom you ask. Avoiding h-content when you are trying to sell localized VNs in the West is fairly stupid, because you alienate the most solid, obsessed, and wealthy part of the fanbase... a fact that is what led to them releasing those overpriced h-versions in the first place, lol. I can see the logic behind what Dovac did, but the man is an idiot when it comes to PR. The way he speaks on Twitter is like saying to the world that the whole reason he is doing it is to squeeze more green paper juice out of the community and marginalize the h-addicts. Edit: To put it a bit more simply... all-ages titles are more likely to draw in the new crowd, but h-content is needed to satisfy the older, more wealthy and reliable crowd. Dovac is trying to squeeze the more reliable crowd, but he is doing it in a way that is way too blatant and stupid. Not a scrap of the subtle, manipulative marketer in that man... he probably is gambling that he won't alienate enough of the solid base with his strategy to lose a large percentage of their purchasing power outright. Unfortunately, the moron seems to be incapable of figuring his own loose tongue into the equation. Once again, Dovac is an idiot. Edit2: The best thing a company president can do in this kind of case is sit back and SAY NOTHING. Don't reply, don't throw insults, don't make reasoned arguments. Just shut up and let the community fight it out amongst themselves. There are enough people here willing to justify his case without having him throw a nuke into the ring. Incidentally, I hate his incompetence more than the man himself. Why is it that people always get stupid and arrogant if they have a little bit of success? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solidbatman Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 17 minutes ago, Vorathiel said: Saddest thing I saw all week. D; I've contributed 6 of those sales :/ I CAN ONLY BUY IT SO MANY TIMES Vorathiel, Dergonu and Narcosis 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clephas Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Just now, solidbatman said: I've contributed 6 of those sales :/ I CAN ONLY BUY IT SO MANY TIMES lol... I'll consider buying it, but only if the sale is still going on Monday, since my bank is closed right now. solidbatman and akaritan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DharmaFreedom Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 1 hour ago, Clephas said: Edit2: The best thing a company president can do in this kind of case is sit back and SAY NOTHING. Don't reply, don't throw insults, don't make reasoned arguments. Just shut up and let the community fight it out amongst themselves. There are enough people here willing to justify his case without having him throw a nuke into the ring. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted July 31, 2016 Author Share Posted July 31, 2016 3 hours ago, Clephas said: To me, it looks like Dovac and Sekai Project created that sub-brand so that they could handle h-content at a remove (with the proverbial ten foot pole) so that if legal issues about obscenity laws pop up they can cut the sub-brand and blame everything on the people running it, so they don't have to fork out the cash for legal fees and to handle the bad publicity they are really afraid of. I'm pretty sure Denpasoft was created because Frontwing didn't want their Kickstarter / Grisaia release on Steam associated with a porn company (at the time). Dovac/Herkz/someone else involved commented on the matter at one point. Your own paranoid tendencies influence your theory of mind, I think. Other people don't necessarily think like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clephas Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 39 minutes ago, sanahtlig said: I'm pretty sure Denpasoft was created because Frontwing didn't want their Kickstarter / Grisaia release on Steam associated with a porn company (at the time). Dovac/Herkz/someone else involved commented on the matter at one point. Your own paranoid tendencies influence your theory of mind, I think. Other people don't necessarily think like you. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me. Hanny, Chronopolis, sanahtlig and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godskrieg Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Dovac, if you ever read this: You run a company, please hire someone to do PR and delete your twitter. So much incompetence in a single human being, it's amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basileus777 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 3 minutes ago, Godskrieg said: Dovac, if you ever read this: You run a company, please hire someone to do PR and delete your twitter. So much incompetence in a single human being, it's amazing. SP already has PR people. Dovac just constantly undermines them by ranting and getting involved in petty shit. The guy just can't keep his mouth shut and it has hurt his company. solidbatman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godskrieg Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Just now, Basileus777 said: SP has already PR people. Dovac just constantly undermines them by ranting and getting involved in petty shit. Then excuse me, I will repair. Dovac-san, please for the love of god, hand over your Twitter account to a PR person and never use it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 28 minutes ago, Basileus777 said: SP already has PR people. Dovac just constantly undermines them by ranting and getting involved in petty shit. The guy just can't keep his mouth shut and it has hurt his company. Yep. Can confirm. The PR guy even has an account here and will occasionally comment. I think they also have a PR person that is supposed to be in charge of European marketing, but I can't confirm that with evidence. Think I remember seeing that on an update I saw on r/visualnovels. Basically, dovac has no reason to do what he's doing anymore, but he still does it anyway. I'd pity the guy if he wasn't such a douche to people that didn't do anything to him just because other people in the same community treat him like shit. And he wonders why so many people in the VN community hate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterfuryZX Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 5 hours ago, Mkilbride said: http://steamspy.com/app/303310 Ouch. You can't really rely on steamspy for such niche title. I puchased it from MG website anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VLOCKUP Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 11 hours ago, ChaosRaven said: unfortunately there's no 'adult Steam' site they could use. Fortunately, Nutaku is aiming to become something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffleader1 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 He removed the patch and wrote an announcement if I have to epitomize it: Dovac is an a$$hole sanahtlig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 *Snort* the guy still expected an email I see. Read his post, couldn't help but roll my eyes all the way through it. Reminds me of the sorts of posts Steve used to make. 15 minutes ago, ffleader1 said: if I have to epitomize it: Dovac is an a$$hole As a fellow asshole I would advise Dovac to treat that like a compliment. Gibberish and Fred the Barber 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted July 31, 2016 Author Share Posted July 31, 2016 24 minutes ago, ffleader1 said: He removed the patch and wrote an announcement I thought the blog post was a good read, and gives some insight into his thought processes. I think he had good intentions and is simply misunderstood. He still needs to remove the Neko Para Vol. 2 patch though. ... my sympathy for him has nothing at all to do with him promoting my blog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffleader1 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) 27 minutes ago, sanahtlig said: I thought the blog post was a good read, and gives some insight into his thought processes. I think he had good intentions and is simply misunderstood. He still needs to remove the Neko Para Vol. 2 patch though. ... my sympathy for him has nothing at all to do with him promoting my blog. Edited for not complying with the forum rule Edited July 31, 2016 by ffleader1 Edited for not complying with the forum rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorathiel Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, ffleader1 said: So I guess no one has managed to snatch the Karakara patch from him and upload to [removed]. I will try to ask him to give me that piece of trouble, and upload it to [removed]. Please don't. Edited July 31, 2016 by Zenophilious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 8 minutes ago, ffleader1 said: So I guess Take your discussion of certain torrent sites off the forum. It's against the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffleader1 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 13 minutes ago, Rooke said: Take your discussion of certain torrent sites off the forum. It's against the rules. My bad. Sorry. My bad. Darklord Rooke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverLi Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 1 hour ago, ffleader1 said: if I have to epitomize it: Dovac is an a$$hole And we wont be working with him again. Please anyone get this reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffleader1 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Just now, SilverLi said: And we wont be working with him again. Please anyone get this reference. Well, he priced the contents 50-50 for that matter. I want to buy the game so I wait for sale. It's on sale 50% now, great. Oh...wait, the core game is $5, but the 18+ patch is $10. Wtf logic. Dovac just killed the source that gives people more enjoyable experience with Visual Novel, so I just went rage, and talk BS and stuff. Sorry. Had they priced it 75%-25%, I would have supported them. Shutting down things without thinking twice is really bad, imo. Again, sorry guys for the earlier post. I still feel bad about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DharmaFreedom Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 54 minutes ago, sanahtlig said: my sympathy for him has nothing at all to do with him promoting my blog. I think he was just repaying the favor since you inadvertently promoted his site too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted July 31, 2016 Author Share Posted July 31, 2016 13 minutes ago, ffleader1 said: Again, sorry guys for the earlier post. I still feel bad about it. Edit: Sorry, forgot to update the page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterfuryZX Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 34 minutes ago, ffleader1 said: I want to buy the game so I wait for sale. It's on sale 50% now, great. Oh...wait, the core game is $5, but the 18+ patch is $10. Wtf logic. Dealing with you is just impossible, lol Raimond Quinn is even too symphatetic with you guys, he must have a patience of a saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosRaven Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 23 minutes ago, ffleader1 said: I want to buy the game so I wait for sale. It's on sale 50% now, great. Oh...wait, the core game is $5, but the 18+ patch is $10. Wtf logic. Yeah, it's really ridiculous. You don't really lure any (sane) customers to your site with such a price policy. I'd even go so far to say that Sekai would be even better off, if they offered at least some of their H-patches for a very small price tag like 1 € or even for free. The only condition would be to create an account on their site. That way they could cultivate the soil for future titles. I honestly don't understand why Sekai isn't aware of the value of accounts. They do so many things right, but here... *sigh*. Larger retail sites use even much more aggressive ways to acquire new customers. Gog and Origin for example give away whole games for free in regular intervals to lure people away from Steam. Sekai could do a similar thing at least on a smaller scale like 'because 2nd year anniversary' or 'the sky is blue today' you get X for free or dirt cheap from our site if you have an account. Codesterz and sanahtlig 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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