Baldry Sky 18+ version poll on Sekai Project forums

[Caio000]

Just a correction, there is a VN that SP released without mosaic: Atom Grrrl!! And Dovac said on twitter that the devs of other VNs didn't have the originals CG anymore.

[Scorp]

21 minutes ago, DharmaFreedom said:

Have some tact and add a spoiler to the rest of that statement. Not everyone has read every translated Vn out there [including me]. If it isn't part of the relevant Vn thread add a freaking spoiler geez.

That's not a spoiler in the slightest, have some tact and not blame me for nothing, okay?

[Decay]

One of the reasons that SP gets some "impossible" licenses is that other VN companies turned them down when they learn that they won't be allowed to release non mosaiced releases, while SP doesn't. Giga is specifically one of these companies. Rumor has it, JAST was in talks to license the Giga title Kingdom but walked away from the deal because JAST is pretty hardline on their "no mosaics or no release" stance. If they did have a more flexible approach to mosaics, we'd probably have had Baldr Sky in English years ago, lol.

[Chuee]

2 hours ago, WinterfuryZX said:

18+ version of VN are not always products as intended by the writer BTW, many times they are forced to add random bullshit porn for marketing reasons.

This is caertain at least for Hoshizora Meteor and Nasu's Works.

Many times? You provided, like, two examples. If writers were so adamantly against writing erotic scenes they would leave writing eroge for more profitable writing positions, like for LNs and anime. The same goes for artists too. Many of them actually, you know, enjoy drawing pornography. So much so that they participate in doujin circles. 

2 hours ago, Rooke said:

Basically it means he only listens to consumers, and that's a reasonable position for every business to take. If we listened to the die-hard VN fan, a lot of what localisers would bring over is chuuni titles, and yet we now know from MG that's not a very profitable route to take.

Technically, you can't grow a customer-base if you only focus on your existing customers. Also, I don't really think die-hard fans want anything chuuni besides maybe some of light's titles. Tokyo Babel was basically unheard of at the time of it's announcement, so it's not super shocking that it wasn't a hit. 

[Scorp]

26 minutes ago, Caio000 said:

Just a correction, there is a VN that SP released without mosaic: Atom Grrrl!! And Dovac said on twitter that the devs of other VNs didn't have the originals CG anymore.

That's doujin, so I doubt it should be counted. And about not having originals - yeah, everyone destroyed them, for sure. Like, when MG or Jast asks - they have them, and when Sekai asks - "all is lost, eat mosaics or gtf". So no, it is just "we do not want hassles, we need money. all age = no hassles at all".

12 minutes ago, Decay said:

One of the reasons that SP gets some "impossible" licenses is that other VN companies turned them down when they learn that they won't be allowed to release non mosaiced releases, while SP doesn't. Giga is specifically one of these companies. Rumor has it, JAST was in talks to license the Giga title Kingdom but walked away from the deal because JAST is pretty hardline on their "no mosaics or no release" stance. If they did have a more flexible approach to mosaics, we'd probably have had Baldr Sky in English years ago, lol.

At least one of the companies share my views on this. Too bad that's only one company, as MG releases mosaic versions too...

 

[DharmaFreedom]

10 minutes ago, Scorp said:

That's not a spoiler in the slightest, have some tact and not blame me for nothing, okay?

The how come you changed the wording after i said it was a spoiler. If you mention a significant point in a game which others have not played yet. Its a fucking spoiler.  Unless you think that sexual act isnt of any significance. 

[Scorp]

3 minutes ago, DharmaFreedom said:

The how come you changed the wording after i said it was a spoiler. If you mention a significant point in a game which others have not played yet. Its a fucking spoiler.  Unless you think that sexual act isnt of any significance. 

Because it was basically wrong statement per se, so I changed it to be correct. I usually do not reread what I wrote, and here you mentioned some stupid things, so I did that and corrected. Why so serious?

[Decay]

11 minutes ago, Scorp said:

That's doujin, so I doubt it should be counted. And about not having originals - yeah, everyone destroyed them, for sure. Like, when MG or Jast asks - they have them, and when Sekai asks - "all is lost, eat mosaics or gtf". So no, it is just "we do not want hassles, we need money. all age = no hassles at all".

At least one of the companies share my views on this. Too bad that's only one company, as MG releases mosaic versions too...

 

I don't see how that being doujin or not is relevant. It shows that SP isn't inherently opposed to mosaics, they just don't want to bully their Japanese partners into doing something they're uncomfortable with. 

Also, when MG and JAST asks, they always have them? Really? So Peter Payne is lying when he said that there are some Empress titles they won't localize because they lack demosaiced CGs?

[Scorp]

4 minutes ago, Decay said:

I don't see how that being doujin or not is relevant. It shows that SP isn't inherently opposed to mosaics, they just don't want to bully their Japanese partners into doing something they're uncomfortable with. 

Also, when MG and JAST asks, they always have them? Really? So Peter Payne is lying when he said that there are some Empress titles they won't localize because they lack demosaiced CGs?

Relevant because less problems with visibility, as it seems companies like Giga wee afraid of laws, when they refused to give uncensored images to Jast.

Compare "some Empress titles" with "absolutely everything except one doujin noname game". You do not see the difference? Really?

[sanahtlig]

23 minutes ago, Decay said:

One of the reasons that SP gets some "impossible" licenses is that other VN companies turned them down when they learn that they won't be allowed to release non mosaiced releases, while SP doesn't. Giga is specifically one of these companies. Rumor has it, JAST was in talks to license the Giga title Kingdom but walked away from the deal because JAST is pretty hardline on their "no mosaics or no release" stance. If they did have a more flexible approach to mosaics, we'd probably have had Baldr Sky in English years ago, lol.

Coincidentally:

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Peter Payne of JAST USA, April 23 2015
I'd like to get fans' views on whether we should ever consider a mosaic censored release? We've never done a game with mosaics ever, though some other companies have, either because the Japanese companies lost their original graphics or because they're more worried about Japanese laws than they should be. 

Today we're in talks with a great game company that would like us to sell their games, but because the game in question is selling well in Japan currently, they don't want to release an uncensored version as it might affect sales in Japan, as fans find ways of getting the uncensored graphics. My initial response is to walk away from the game entirely, because everyone hates censorship (including us), and in the case of Cleavage by Sei Shoujo, this is what we did, as they'd lost their original graphic data. If we can force them to let us do the game, but promise to release the uncensored graphics as a patch 2 years after release (which is all they'll agree to likely), would you be supportive of something like this? 

My staff wants to just get the game, even if it means a mosaic censored release. I don't want to waste our time if we can't at least do an uncensored patch later. What are your thoughts?

 

http://discuss.jastusa.com/discussion/255019/peoples-views-on-mosaic-censorship/p1

[DharmaFreedom]

14 minutes ago, Scorp said:

and here you mentioned some stupid things

What stupid things? you're just being rude now. You mentioned a key characteristic about a character that another person has not read about. That's a spoiler. I can't keep explaining to you what a spoiler is mate. I reckon you'll just keep being rude and antagonizing so whats the point.

3 hours ago, Scorp said:

as he behaves himself like a brutal animal when it comes to sex. Never would guess he have it in him without these scenes.

You also mentioned it here. I didn't know that the character has these characteristic. I would have liked to discover that as i read the game. You revealed. Thus its a spoiler isnt it?

[Darklord Rooke]

Dear Peter

Censorship is a part of life. It's one of those pesky little compromises we all tend to make at some point. It's all well and dandy having principles until someone loses future access to their VN. Then it's just tears and screaming and what looks like spilt milk.

In short, just get the game. 

Yours, an unconcerned fan (like creature.)

Mosaic censorship is so light it’s not really worth bothering about, imo. Definitely not worth losing good licenses over *looks at Giga*.

[Scorp]

10 minutes ago, DharmaFreedom said:

What stupid things? you're just being rude now. You mentioned a key characteristic about a character that another person has not read about. That's a spoiler. I can't keep explaining to you what a spoiler is mate. I reckon you'll just keep being rude and antagonizing so whats the point.

You also mentioned it here. I didn't know that the character has these characteristic. I would have liked to discover that as i read the game. You revealed. Thus its a spoiler isnt it?

This have no significance what you will discover when you will read, if he is brutal when he fucks or not brutal, also that's only my point of view about being brutal, and for you it could be perfectly normal - so that's not a spoiler, it cannot ruin you anything, it was just to illustrate, that scenes had some character development. If I tell you, who is the culprit of the murders in town or what happened with Shiki in past - that would be the spoiler. But I did not, right?

And that's not related to topic, so I do not want to discuss this further, that's just stupid.

8 minutes ago, Rooke said:

Dear Peter

Censorship is a part of life. It's one of those pesky little compromises we all tend to make at some point. It's all well and dandy having principles until someone loses future access to their VN. Then it's just tears and screaming and what looks like spilt milk.

In short, just get the game. 

I think you're a bit late... For a year. Or more

[Darklord Rooke]

3 minutes ago, Scorp said:

I think you're a bit late... For a year. Or more

Eh, he might want to keep it in mind for the future. Or maybe not, depending on how interested he is in the current VN industry.

[DharmaFreedom]

6 hours ago, Scorp said:

if he is brutal when he fucks or not brutal, also that's only my point of view about being brutal, and for you it could be perfectly normal

 

You said he raped someone, raped.You edited yourself after i mentioned it to you. Of course its going to affect my view of the protagonist.  How could it not. I didn't even know it was the kind of VN that had something like that in it. You clearly have little understanding of what a spoiler is. 

Btw almost everything mentioned so far is off topic, considering this thread is to announce a baldr sky poll posted on sekai. Though i agree with you in that i don't want to discuss this further with someone so obstinate and antagonizing.

Cheers

 

[WinterfuryZX]

16 hours ago, Chuee said:

Many times? You provided, like, two examples. If writers were so adamantly against writing erotic scenes they would leave writing eroge for more profitable writing positions, like for LNs and anime. The same goes for artists too. Many of them actually, you know, enjoy drawing pornography. So much so that they participate in doujin circles. 

Because it's impossible to know unless a writer clearly declares something to the press. When the eroscene are badly implemented in the story, it's a clear indication they could be somehow forced upon the writer.

[FamishedPants]

I do not think you could explain to me why there is the possibility of not having an 18+ version in a way I could understand. Unless the original content was all-ages and this localization was ADDING adult content, it does not make sense to me that it would not be added. I have heard that Baldyr Sky is a good title and have looked forwards to a translation being released, but I am unaware of the exact nature of the story. Unless there was just countless rape, somebody being proud that they are white (caucasian), or somebody saying anything negative about Bruce Jenner, why would there be a problem in it having H-content in the first place? 

Is having an optional, 18+ patch so difficult? I think that setup is perfectly fine. People who want it, get it, while people who don't, don't.

[Decay]

42 minutes ago, FamishedPants said:

I do not think you could explain to me why there is the possibility of not having an 18+ version in a way I could understand. Unless the original content was all-ages and this localization was ADDING adult content, it does not make sense to me that it would not be added. I have heard that Baldyr Sky is a good title and have looked forwards to a translation being released, but I am unaware of the exact nature of the story. Unless there was just countless rape, somebody being proud that they are white (caucasian), or somebody saying anything negative about Bruce Jenner, why would there be a problem in it having H-content in the first place? 

Is having an optional, 18+ patch so difficult? I think that setup is perfectly fine. People who want it, get it, while people who don't, don't.

There's a possibility that Giga will want this marketed towards mainstream gaming audiences as a semi-mainstream Japanese action game a la Odin Sphere (which I've actually seen Baldr Sky compared to a couple times). The existence of an official english-language version with pornographic content could sabotage efforts in marketing towards that audience, as practically no one in the traditional games media wants to cover games with that kind stuff, even set aside in an optional alternate version. Them just knowing that there's a version out there with porn is enough to set off alarm bells and to dismiss it as a porn game that should not be covered, lest they get ostracized as well. 

Of course, the problem is that this 18+ version already exists in Japan and they'll do enough research to realize this. I think the game is already screwed on that front and the most coverage you'll see for Baldr Sky in the gaming press is maybe a single unflattering post from Kotaku. Not to mention, it's pretty dated on the technical side of things, which adds to the barrier of entry. Giga and SP should probably give up hope of Sky gaining any kind of success even among the otaku gaming crowd. 

This is a really pessimistic post, but seeing how the media has treated eroge in the past, I just cannot imagine this will go any different. 

[WinterfuryZX]

Yes, "ignorants" will automatically presume it is a full fledged porn game, unfortunately. This is a huge problem when you have to market this game to a non-japanese audience.

[sanahtlig]

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Q: Why the hell has the Baldr Sky announcement not yet been made into an article here?
A: Eroges have always been a sticky subject for us. Before this article, about the only h game to get articles was Kara no Shojo 1. We have covered all ages VNs quite extensively.
We allow discussion of the topic where appropriate within threads and pretty daily in the Open Thread (the message board link at the top).

http://www.siliconera.com/2016/07/05/mangagamer-announces-new-titles-partnerships/#comment-2767599868

[WinterfuryZX]

They fiail to realize it is not an eroge anymore after eroscenes removal.

[Decay]

I guess that's pretty much a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Siliconera isn't even mainstream at all. Just look at how stupid this can get.

[CeruleanGamer]

The only way I would ever accept all ages is if they do like a "revised" remake or a polished revision of some sort improving/balancing the gameplay like what they did with Aselia.

If we are getting the same outdated Baldr Sky with the same content as the R18 version but without the eroscenes, then I feel like I am being cheated out of my money because I am missing out on content. 

[sanahtlig]

I published my full article on the subject.

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Baldr Sky is a high-caliber action game/visual novel hybrid and GIGA's finest work, but eroge fans must unite if they want to see an uncut release.

Baldr Sky: Rallying for an uncut version of a landmark eroge

 

[Clephas]

Baldr Sky Zero would probably suffer from the loss of H elements, but Skydive probably wouldn't, at least not much.  I'll admit that it would probably be weird without Raine comforting the semi-permanently broken-hearted protagonist, but...  Nonetheless, I honestly don't care about h-scenes.