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4 minutes ago, CeruleanGamer said:

Getting feedback from Steam users is like getting feedback from 3 year olds. Most of them are imbeciles to the VN medium. They should be going here or other serious VN forums for feedback.

Hmm... Reasonably speaking, getting feedback from the majority of their audience, that is, Steam users, sounds like a good idea to me.

That's assuming they are the majority of their audience -- and in numbers alone, that seems to be the case.
Not quite sure about funding amount though, as more... 'serious' VN fans are generally willing to fork over more money than Steam users.

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Just now, Tiagofvarela said:

Hmm... Reasonably speaking, getting feedback from the majority of their audience, that is, Steam users, sounds like a good idea to me.

That's assuming they are the majority of their audience -- and in numbers alone, that seems to be the case.
Not quite sure about funding amount though, as more... 'serious' VN fans are generally willing to fork over more money than Steam users.

/off-topic

Feedback from people saying "we just want cute anime girls" (multiplied by a thousand), doesn't really provide a collective constructive feedback from the avid VN fans. Well, I am pretty much used to Sekai Project ignoring us since they know we can't stand them, so....

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I'm far away from 'major civiliation', with shitty internet conenction, but I just had to log in. Cause all this butthurt for 18+ baldr made me uncomfortable.
It seems like majority of you people are what's wrong with the world, and it's because of you, and your japanesse equivalents, that visual novel market is so shitty.

I'm soooo glad for only 'no h' version of Baldr.
Why? Because I'm a weak person.

If I would have a choice - play full +18 game, or to play an 'forced all ages', I would choose +18. Only because it's the 'full experience' and I like to watch/read/enjoy art in form that authors intended (that's why I hate any dubs, or cropping ratios, or overly localised transaltions etc).
But I know I would like censored version much, much better. I hate h scenes in non nukige games. I hate all those character breaking (f.e dominant Kagome from Comyu), mood crushing (mainly Cartagra, but 90% of vns could fit here), and over the top, silly, totally non realsitic, multi cumming bullshit they provide (every VN I've read with porn, except for maybe Katawa Shoujo). H scenes are ruining my experience from almost any game.

So, yeah, I'm glad. Sucks for you all fappers, but I'm glad. I'm glad that I will not have to choose, and I'll be forced to play a much better version of Balrd Sky. All hail Sekai Project, all hail censorship of plot based, non nukige visual novels. I hope they will stay with their decision of not giving any porn filled version of this game.

Visual Novels are ultimate medium, provides all that's best in movies and books combined. And yet it's polluted with shitty, completly unnecessary porn that ruins any experience.

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1 hour ago, Vorathiel said:

I'm far away from 'major civiliation', with shitty internet conenction, but I just had to log in. Cause all this butthurt for 18+ baldr made me uncomfortable.
It seems like majority of you people are what's wrong with the world, and it's because of you, and your japanesse equivalents, that visual novel market is so shitty.

I'm soooo glad for only 'no h' version of Baldr.
Why? Because I'm a weak person.

If I would have a choice - play full +18 game, or to play an 'forced all ages', I would choose +18. Only because it's the 'full experience' and I like to watch/read/enjoy art in form that authors intended (that's why I hate any dubs, or cropping ratios, or overly localised transaltions etc).
But I know I would like censored version much, much better. I hate h scenes in non nukige games. I hate all those character breaking (f.e dominant Kagome from Comyu), mood crushing (mainly Cartagra, but 90% of vns could fit here), and over the top, silly, totally non realsitic, multi cumming bullshit they provide (every VN I've read with porn, except for maybe Katawa Shoujo). H scenes are ruining my experience from almost any game.

So, yeah, I'm glad. Sucks for you all fappers, but I'm glad. I'm glad that I will not have to choose, and I'll be forced to play a much better version of Balrd Sky. All hail Sekai Project, all hail censorship of plot based, non nukige visual novels. I hope they will stay with their decision of not giving any porn filled version of this game.

Visual Novels are ultimate medium, provides all that's best in movies and books combined. And yet it's polluted with shitty, completly unnecessary porn that ruins any experience.

18+ version of VN are not always products as intended by the writer BTW, many times they are forced to add random bullshit porn for marketing reasons.

This is caertain at least for Hoshizora Meteor and Nasu's Works.

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18 minutes ago, WinterfuryZX said:

18+ version of VN are not always products as intended by the writer BTW, many times they are forced to add random bullshit porn for marketing reasons.

This is caertain at least for Hoshizora Meteor and Nasu's Works.

You're joking or what? Someone with the gun forced Nasu to write eroscenes in Tsukihime? That's total bullshit. He wrote them because he wanted to write them. And they really make sense, as without these scenes Shiki would have completely different image in my eyes - as he behaves himself like a brutal animal when it comes to sex. Never would guess he have it in him without these scenes.

So if Meteo told he was forced to write eroscenes - give us citations where he told that.

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2 hours ago, CeruleanGamer said:

Feedback from people saying "we just want cute anime girls" (multiplied by a thousand), doesn't really provide a collective constructive feedback from the avid VN fans. Well, I am pretty much used to Sekai Project ignoring us since they know we can't stand them, so....

dovac told multiple times he does not give a shit about people who do not pay. Steam is the biggest sale market for VNs, so he will spit on each and every die-hard VN fan unless he pays him same amount of money Steam users will pay. And real die-hard fans actually already read the best available version in its original language. What to discuss here? World will get all-age version, and after, probably in half a year, will be released separate 18+ version with same mosaic censorship it have in japanese release. Double profit for Sekai - first get big money from Steam and after lazily get money from so-called "die-hards". Sekai again gained, everyone happy. Right?

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13 minutes ago, Scorp said:

You're joking or what? Someone with the gun forced Nasu to write eroscenes in Tsukihime? That's total bullshit. He wrote them because he wanted to write them. And they really make sense, as without these scenes Shiki would have completely different image in my eyes - as he behaves himself like a brutal animal when it comes to sex. Never would guess he have it in him without these scenes.

So if Meteo told he was forced to write eroscenes - give us citations where he told that.

They are not forced with a gun ... lol.. they do that for marketing reasons, to guarantee sales.

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17 minutes ago, Scorp said:

dovac told multiple times he does not give a shit about people who do not pay. Steam is the biggest sale market for VNs, so he will spit on each and every die-hard VN fan unless he pays him same amount of money Steam users will pay. And die-hard fans actually already read the best available version in its original language. What to discuss here? World will get all-age version, and after, probably in half a year, will be released separate 18+ version with same mosaic censorship it have in japanese release. Double profit for Sekai - first get big money from Steam and after lazily get money from so-called "die-hards". Sekai again gained, everyone happy. Right?

We all know how money-hungry Sekai is but VN fans are dwindling by the numbers the more informed they are into not buying censored crap. You know I started my VN roots into reading Ace Attorney in 2001 in my old Game Boy Advance, where there is no porn in visual novels. And of course, like any other thing that ages, I grew up into liking other things, including more mature, serious, and adult content. When you find out that the piece of trash you call "All-Ages" has held back content because they want to appeal to more masses, you would be pissed too if you have been playing VNs for over 15 years, and read close to 900 translated and untranslated VNs like me. I'm more pissed not because porn was censored but the content of the game that was removed and sometimes even butchered....

The ones Sekai are fishing for are the scrubs who have seen anime/manga but are usual "filthy" casuals or haven't played a single VN seriously. Sure, they give Sekai that initial money they need but they aren't good long-time customers like most of us here in Fuwanovel. Because eventually your customer base will grow and want to get into more mature R18+ content they are missing out. Sekai Project can't appeal to children and teenage visual novel players forever, unlike Disney can with their cartoons.

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7 minutes ago, Scorp said:

dovac told multiple times he does not give a shit about people who do not pay. Steam is the biggest sale market for VNs, so he will spit on each and every die-hard VN fan unless he pays him same amount of money Steam users will pay. 

Basically it means he only listens to consumers, and that's a reasonable position for every business to take. If we listened to the die-hard VN fan, a lot of what localisers would bring over is chuuni titles, and yet we now know from MG that's not a very profitable route to take.

4 minutes ago, WinterfuryZX said:

They are not forced with a gun ... lol.. they do that for marketing reasons, to guarantee sales.

Yeah, publishers and/or management will dictate where a writer takes a title, not the writer. Unless they're in Indie, of course. It's a well known tale of woe from developers.

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19 minutes ago, Rooke said:

Yeah, publishers and/or management will dictate where a writer takes a title, not the writer. Unless they're in Indie, of course. It's a well known tale of woe from developers.

Point is that Tsukihime is indie. Writer wrote what he wanted to write.

26 minutes ago, WinterfuryZX said:

They are not forced with a gun ... lol.. they do that for marketing reasons, to guarantee sales.

You really think Nasu wrote Tsukihime, having in mind sales in first place? That's a double LOL then. Show me any proof for that statement (that he had to write that for money). All I read is completely opposite - he wanted to make the best he can, not for money, but for fame.

19 minutes ago, Rooke said:

Basically it means he only listens to consumers, and that's a reasonable position for every business to take. If we listened to the die-hard VN fan, a lot of what localisers would bring over is chuuni titles, and yet we now know from MG that's not a very profitable route to take.

Yep, so what? You're playing Captain Obvious role here, Rooke? :)

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6 minutes ago, WinterfuryZX said:

Nope, he added eroscene to tsukihime because he wante to sell as many copies of the game as possible. He declared himself that Fate Stay Night Realta Nua is the real deal, in addition to that, the upcoming remake of tsukihime will be all ages.

Of course he would declare that FSN Realta Nua is real deal - because he have to sell that after original (better) version :) And no wonder most of releases nowadays will be all ages - because of situation in Japan, laws and other complicated stuff - and possible to sell on consoles as well - so everyone would choose to be all age, this would be the modern trend for sure. So... Where he told market forced him to write eroscenes in Tsukihime? You can give me something apart speculations? Like I can say that most of VNs have high-schoolers - to sell more, they have pretty girls - to sell more, they have this and that - and all that to sell more. If took all these factors from VN - what will remain there? It would be completely different. So do not tell about "market dictates". Market dictates, and it is true for all aspects, not only for eroscenes, so if writer writes scenario without these aspects in mind - it would be completely different story.

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1 hour ago, Decay said:

It was pretty much all over Japanese interviews since pretty much Type Moon's founding, Nasu has always been outspoken about how he didn't actually want ero in either Tsukihime or Fate.

So you can give me citations, right? I never read that, so probably would be interesting to read.

Also my point is not that Nasu wanted or he did not wanted - no matter what he wanted, if you remove one of the factors - this would become different story. Someone will like it more, someone will like it less - but it would be different without sex scenes. Shiki would be your typical no-name moe protagonist, as by me his personality only awakened when he fucked someone. So different story => different content => that's why people are against altering their beloved porn games.

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12 minutes ago, Scorp said:

So you can give me citations, right? I never read that, so probably would be interesting to read.

Also my point is not that Nasu wanted or he did not wanted - no matter what he wanted, if you remove one of the factors - this would become different story. Someone will like it more, someone will like it less - but it would be different without sex scenes. Shiki would be your typical no-name moe protagonist, as by me his personality only awakened when he raped someone.

Harder than you'd think, since googling just gives a bunch of modern interviews that don't really address it much.

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6 minutes ago, Decay said:

Harder than you'd think, since googling just gives a bunch of modern interviews that don't really address it much.

Well, I did find this gem.

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Nasu: I don't like criticizing others' works, but you know the game Hajimete no Orusuban? That really shocked me. I knew logically it was natural that it became a hit, but at the same time, I was really shocked. When that game came out, I thought about quitting making games.

http://tsukikan.com/misc/talk-nasu-kinoko-x-urobuchi-gen.html

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Here's great unrelated quote from a Nasu interview that also featured Urobuchi Gen. Urobuchi on fan reactions to Saya no Uta:

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I thought I was firing a bazooka at users who only embraced imaginary love, but just like Matsuda-san in Black Angels, (*12), they caught my bullet with their bare hands!

Nasu also briefly mentioned some reluctance to do bishoujo titles, and how he no longer wants to make any (Mahoyo came after this and wasn't a bishoujo game). There is of course that well-known story about how Nasu wanted a female lead and male Saber for Fate originally. That kind of falls in line with this discussion but doesn't mention h-scenes directly.

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11 minutes ago, sanahtlig said:

There's something ironic about that, considering what Nasu has allowed Hiroshi Hiroyama (and later on SIlver Link) do to Illya over time~ Sure, its not H - but it sure cuts close.

But I admit ignorance, I'm presuming Nasu is someone with a majority of control/power within typemoon.

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