Kaguya Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Sanah and Rooke already got to it, but I don't mind them offering a version with less features. I feel like this all depends on the price breakdown. So long as the full version costs about the same as other VNs of the type, it's a pretty good thing that they're also making a version that'll sell for people who don't want the features that were excluded from the full one. I saw the argument that it'll set a bad precedent for the future, but even then, so long as the pricing is fair, I don't really mind it. Who am I to judge if someone wants to buy G-Senjou and only read Haru's route for half the price? (it's actually a pretty good idea, given how generally worthless the other routes in that game are. But I digress.) If they offer an imcomplete version for a high price and then offer the previous content as DLCs for even more money then I can see people getting pissed, though. And the argument related to being pessimistic or optimistic with this is silly and I won't get into it. WinterfuryZX, Darklord Rooke and Vorathiel 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyldstrykr Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 ive read the tlwiki translation of this game. so i dont care about fronwing prefundia page. will the game with remove gallery and sounds will be the same as sekai project no voice version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polycentric Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 3 hours ago, wyldstrykr said: will the game with remove gallery and sounds will be the same as sekai project no voice version? I'm pretty sure that the game will be voiced as usual. It's just that the Extra section with the Sound Mode and CG Mode are removed from the standard version tha FW is offering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_blade64 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 6 hours ago, Erogamer said: Yes, please stop this pointless arguing. We are all supposed to be friends, or at least acquaintances here that have a passion for the same thing. This continues and people may end up disliking each other. Happens with every community, nothing can be done about it. I guess you'll just have to deal with it? I mean is not like people will stop arguing all of a sudden nor it will happen in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 7 hours ago, Kaguya said: (it's actually a pretty good idea, given how generally worthless the other routes in that game are. But I digress.) How dare you. Shiratori Mizuha is the greatest VN character of all time, hence why I have a tattoo of her on my arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleshogun Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 If mod Nosebleed think this thread is a horrible idea, I think this thread was useful to cure boredom for some member who argue here I supposed (Although I understand that this is one of Fuwanovel tradition here I guess). Anyway, if I may said I think the idea of removing Extra Mode was pointless if the goal was to made the difference between low price and normal price (Not that I care anyway since this game already discussed to the death out there, even if the translation was quite fanfic level according to conjueror). And even if it's the Frontwing's right to remove extra mode, I said once again it would be pointless move (For emphasize here). For the conclusion, I think my opinion that I wouldn't care about this kind of Prefundia too much, since well we already got Sharin translated for a long time. But if for example Sharin was about to localized and not translated yet, I think it's deserved the heat if Frontwing really plan to cut the Extra Mode. PS - Although I said Frontwing did some pointless move, guess it's still good if they really want to expand outside Japan and I think Sharin could be the good VN that will introduce many new VN player to Visual Novel in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawasumi Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 "We'd like to thank everyone for your comments and feedback. From the number of responses we've received, it's clear that people have taken a strong interest in this project. We at the PR team are taking everybody's comments into consideration and are currently rethinking our plans. We'll be answering questions on the page shortly, so please wait a little longer." hopefully this means that they will actually do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 They've started responding to a few comments, but so far they've only picked relatively easy ones and haven't provided any answers with, well, anything we didn't already know. Obviously they were going to update the Prefundia page, I seriously doubt they're as stupid as "JAPAN CONTENT" is. Most of their comments are just "the Prefundia page will be updated" rephrased several times. Didn't really expect anything else, but it's still disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayten Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 *5/10 Update* Sorry for the long wait, everyone, and thank you for the feedback so far. Since we've received a number of similar questions, we decided to address the most common ones with this update. Removal of DLC for General Sale First of all, we've decided to abandon the DLC plan we initially announced, in accordance with user feedback. As of now, the version of the game available for digital download on Steam at release will have the Sound Mode and CG Gallery intact (previously the Deluxe Edition), and is planned for general sale at $40. For this reason, the words "Deluxe Version" will also be removed for clarity. Changes to the Rewards Section Due to the removal of DLC and announcement of the game's pricing, the some pricing changes have been made to the Rewards section, most notably the following: ・A digital copy of the game - as described above - will be offered to backers who pledge $30 or more. ・An early bird offer will be available to the first 100 people to pledge $20 or more. These people will be able to get the same rewards for a reduced price, though this will be limited to 100 places only. Regarding an 18+ version/patch Although we had initially planned to release an all-ages version of the game (which, to clarify, was released on consoles in Japan), we now promise to release the 18+ version as well, following strong support for its production. Since there are a number of technical issues surrounding its development, it has not yet been decided whether the 18+ content will be in the form of a patch or a complete 18+ version. We (Frontwing) are working with AKABEi SOFT2 to resolve these issues. We would also like to assure that those who pledge and receive a digital key as a reward will be able to enjoy the 18+ version for under $10. Developing this may take some time, so it will come out after the all ages version has been released. We'll continue working hard to fulfill your requests. We'll keep you updated on any new progress. --The PR team -------------------------------------------------- They are learning What a time to be alive. Mr Poltroon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Correct me if I'm wrong, my memory is a bit spotty, but did the price (for kickstarter backers) just go up by 10 dollars? I'm going to laugh very, very hard if this is the case. EDIT: My chuckles being directed at the community, in case it wasn't clear. Mr Poltroon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caio000 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 A-akabei Soft2 accept to r-release a 18+ version of one of t-their visual novels!? So is there still a chance for G-senjou no maou? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XReaper Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 almost feeling quite bad for sekai after them being exposed to an enormous amount of hate & flame when they didnt release g-sensou´s 18+ version, despite having wanted to & now that frontwing took over the lead everything seemingly does flow smootly like a newborn popping out of some ++sized manko. strange days we´re living in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the Barber Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Rooke said: Correct me if I'm wrong, my memory is a bit spotty, but did the price (for kickstarter backers) just go up by 10 dollars? I'm going to laugh very, very hard if this is the case. EDIT: My chuckles being directed at the community, in case it wasn't clear. My guess is that we all misunderstood what was in the $20 backer bundle. They never said specifically that that price point would be for the "Deluxe Version" rather than the CG- and sound mode-less version. So... yeah, it kind of went up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solidbatman Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Glad they actually listened to people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RikiSanic Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 4 hours ago, XReaper said: almost feeling quite bad for sekai after them being exposed to an enormous amount of hate & flame when they didnt release g-sensou´s 18+ version, despite having wanted to & now that frontwing took over the lead everything seemingly does flow smootly like a newborn popping out of some ++sized manko. strange days we´re living in... The reason for that is probably because Akabeisoft2 was directly exposed to the criticism in a single location (prefundia). And if they didn't listen, it could mean a failed project. Whereas Sekai Project had to take all the hate from multiple fronts and since it never negatively impacted Akabeisoft2, they never budged from their no-18+ position. Publishers have it rough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayten Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, RikiSanic said: Western publishers have it rough. Fixed that for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RikiSanic Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 3 hours ago, Crayten said: Fixed that for you That's definitely true. It's especially evident when you consider this quote from the prefundia: "This project is a collaboration between AKABEi SOFT2 and Frontwing, two visual novel developers in Japan. (Actually, the presidents of both companies are good friends!)" This means that Frontwing has a direct line to Akabeisoft2 and can more easily persuade them. I'm sure that Frontwing didn't like all the hate they were getting, and since they're also trying to break into the Western market on their own, having this Kickstarter be a blight on their reputation would be bad news for them. Another Japanese company is probably more convincing than a Western company that can just take the blame anyway. When it's your buddy who's in trouble, Akabeisoft2 was much more willing to comply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 5 hours ago, Fred the Barber said: My guess is that we all misunderstood what was in the $20 backer bundle. They never said specifically that that price point would be for the "Deluxe Version" rather than the CG- and sound mode-less version. So... yeah, it kind of went up? Looks like it. It's fairly amusing to see people wandering out treating this like a win, when all they've done is eliminate the production of a cheaper option (and possibly even forced the price point higher. $40 would have been high for the deluxe version when backers were getting it at $20.) I can imagine a few people would have bought the cheaper option, then just downloaded the CG gallery off the internet. A decent saving right there. And to think, all that vitriol was aimed at the developers not because they were ripping people off, but because they had produced a cheaper version for customers. People should learn to think before they rant. Mr Poltroon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 6 hours ago, XReaper said: almost feeling quite bad for sekai after them being exposed to an enormous amount of hate & flame when they didnt release g-sensou´s 18+ version, despite having wanted to & now that frontwing took over the lead everything seemingly does flow smootly like a newborn popping out of some ++sized manko. strange days we´re living in... Akabeisoft2 weren't facing a potential kickstarter failure with g-senjou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 And now people on Reddit are complaining about the price. Rule of thumb, a person can be either smart or stupid, but mobs are almost always retarded. It's such a shame there isn't a cheaper option to appease those annoyed about the price ... Trying to sell over 10 years old visual novel (updated assets) which also isn't horribly long (something like 20-30 hours, am I right?) and also with existing translation for 40 USD is... and add to that more for uncut version, so it will probably be 45-50 USD. They should ask themselves, they want to gather more fans/make visual novels more popular, or get 500-2000 sales on their products? I don't see any casuals/non-vn fans buying this game on Steam for this kind of money. They should seriously reconsider their strategy, because it will fail pretty hard, at least that's what I think. Do they want as many people to read their VNs and have fun, or do they want to rip-off money out of small VN crowd? Intensity of laughter ... rising. EDIT: The quote's from Reddit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caio000 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 18 minutes ago, Rooke said: And now people on Reddit are complaining about the price. Rule of thumb, a person can be either smart or stupid, but mobs are almost always retarded. It's such a shame there isn't a cheaper option to appease those annoyed about the price ... Wait, wait. Assuming the DLC price was going to be the difference of the current price and the former price wouldn't it be too much for a CG gallery and a music mode? This price difference just doesn't make sense for me. Even I who am pretty lenient with things would be annoyed to pay so much for a CG gallery and a music mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 32 minutes ago, Caio000 said: Wait, wait. Assuming the DLC price was going to be the difference of the current price and the former price wouldn't it be too much for a CG gallery and a music mode? This price difference just doesn't make sense for me. Even I who am pretty lenient with things would be annoyed to pay so much for a CG gallery and a music mode. It was probably going to be about a 10 dollar difference. And considering you can download the CG gallery from the net for FREE, it’s a pretty decent deal. Yep, the CG gallery and sound mode aren’t worth 10 bucks, and that’s what made the cheap deal a GOOD deal. It wasn’t the deluxe version being ramped up in price, but rather the developers offering a cheaper version at a steal. Eliminating the cheap option wouldn’t reduce the price of the deluxe (NORMAL) version, that’s what people couldn’t wrap their thick heads around. Eliminating the cheap option would just force people to buy the more expensive option. People were crying out about paying extra for content already in the game. Now it’s revealed they were never being asked to pay extra at all. It was a baseless assumption. The developers were arbitrarily making a cheaper version of the game by locking content so they could bring in new customers. That’s a standard practice in the software world. The idea of campaigning on ‘precedent’ is a young person’s crusade, I judge on what’s before me. It may even push the price up. Because they can no longer count on dragging in casual consumers (outside the VN landscape) at a reduced price, they may have contemplated putting up the price of the normal version to compensate for the lower sale numbers. See, this is why we can't have nice things. Also the situation is absolutely delicious. To complain about the cheap version locking existing content, then when it's eradicated for people to complain about the price, it's all too much. I love this. I need more popcorn! Fred the Barber, Suzu Fanatic, WinterfuryZX and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caio000 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rooke said: It was probably going to be about a 10 dollar difference. And considering you can download the CG gallery from the net for FREE, it’s a pretty decent deal. Yep, the CG gallery and sound mode aren’t worth 10 bucks, and that’s what made the cheap deal a GOOD deal. It wasn’t the deluxe version being ramped up in price, but rather the developers offering a cheaper version at a steal. Eliminating the cheap option wouldn’t reduce the price of the deluxe (NORMAL) version, that’s what people couldn’t wrap their thick heads around. Eliminating the cheap option would just force people to buy the more expensive option. People were crying out about paying extra for content already in the game. Now it’s revealed they were never being asked to pay extra at all. It was a baseless assumption. The developers were arbitrarily making a cheaper version of the game by locking content so they could bring in new customers. That’s a standard practice in the software world. The idea of campaigning on ‘precedent’ is a young person’s crusade, I judge on what’s before me. It may even push the price up. Because they can no longer count on dragging in casual consumers (outside the VN landscape) at a reduced price, they may have contemplated putting up the price of the normal version to compensate for the lower sale numbers. But it would still be unfair to people like me who would like to have CG gallery and the sound mode as it was in the original version to pay so much for it when the normal version is considerably cheap in comparison. I'm wouldn't care for it if the price was fair for a CG Gallery and the sound mode but at this price it would piss off me and a lot of people. And if the could lower the price so much for something like the CG gallery and the sound mode they could have put less than $40. What I want say is that I (and presume other people) want to pay a fair price for want I get and the DLC price wasn't going to be fair. Edited May 17, 2016 by Caio000 I forgotten a word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 22 minutes ago, Caio000 said: But it would still be unfair to people like me who would like to have CG gallery and the sound mode as it was in the original version to pay so much for it when the normal version is considerably cheap in comparison. I'm wouldn't care for it if the price was fair for a CG Gallery and the sound mode but at this price it would piss off me and a lot of people. And if the could lower the price so much for something like the CG gallery and the sound mode they could have put less than $40. What I want say is that I (and presume other people) want to pay a fair price for want I get and the DLC price wasn't going to be fair. If I were to hazard a guess, lowering the price of the full VN affects market expectations. That is, yes if they could sell the VN without a CG gallery at a reduced price, they COULD sell the whole thing at a reduced price. But that affects market expectations for the cost of a full VN going forward, and from what I understand they already think the Western World are getting things cheap (considering full price of VNs over there tend to be 75-110 dollars, or something outrageous.) If you like to have a CG gallery in the game, then it seems the existence of a cheap bundle with DLC's wouldn't affect you one iota - you will still be paying the same amount for that game whether a cheaper bundle is in place. To say that this is unfair, what you're really saying is that you don’t want other people getting a good deal, and I find that kind of attitude to be dangerous, imo. Because it’s no longer about what YOU get, but rather depriving OTHERS of something, and that's not really healthy and can be extended to plenty of other scenarios. If you deprive the world of a cheaper package and the price of the remaining version hasn't decreased, what have you achieved other than deprive someone else of something? If you were going to pay 40 dollars for your product whether or not the cheap deal exists, why would you care about the DLCs? It doesn’t affect you, you’re still paying the same price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caio000 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, Rooke said: If you like to have a CG gallery in the game, then the existence of a cheap bundle with DLC's doesn't affect you one iota. You will still be paying the same amount for that game whether a cheaper bundle is in place. To say that this is unfair, what you're really saying is that you don’t want other people getting a good deal, and I find that kind of attitude to be dangerous, imo. Because it’s no longer about what YOU get, but rather depriving OTHERS of something, and that's not really healthy and can be extended to plenty of other scenarios. If you were going to pay 40 dollars for your product whether or not the cheap deal exists, why would you care about the DLCs? It doesn’t affect you, you’re still paying the same price. What is bothering me isn't whether the price final would be the same or not, I don't care much about the current price. What is really bothering me is that the price of the DLC would be overpriced for what one would get from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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