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It says on VNDB that Nemu is a "Subject of: Gang Rape". Is this unavoidable?

Sorry for posting in a long-dead topic.

I wish she was a subject of murder instead, what an infuriating character. Not so much for plot reasons, she just makes no sense.

On topic though, there are worse things than gang rape in that VN, you might want to reconsider. :D

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It says on VNDB that Nemu is a "Subject of: Gang Rape". Is this unavoidable?

Sorry for posting in a long-dead topic.

 

There is a gang rape scene involving Nemu, yes. But without spoiling too much, it's one of those scenes where you're actually meant to feel bad for her... even though she's been an awful character up until that point. It's there to prove a point about a certain character in that certain character's route. Although, depending on how much you dislike Nemu, it might not seem that negative.

 

 

this game is too extreme,the 'anime' itself scarred me for life D:

 

they should localize something else instead lol

 

To each their own- if you don't like it, don't play it. I wish people wouldn't judge this game by its OVA since it really is quite good, but if the content was too hardcore for you, then the game probably still wouldn't be very enjoyable- even if there is more too it than the sex scenes.

 

That said, I can't wait for the translation- I want to play it without a machine TL. And that's coming from someone who's normally a bit more on the vanilla side of things. It might not be the best game of all time, but it's a whole lot better than people give it credit for. I blame the OVA.

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I can enjoy some dark themed aspects. But if you compare that too Euphoria it is like watching ponies leaping over a rainbow colored field. This is extreme and probably the most extreme translated (soon) VN up to date.

 

I have watched 2 OVAs of Euphoria with mixed feelings. I like the setting and thoughts behind everything. But some aspects are way too much. But I can understand why they are doing it even though it is too much. But the setting and story intrigues me so much. Dilemma. 

 

I read the reviews of Euphoria and they confirm my curiosity about the story. But I don't think I can stand the hardcore stuff, the tags on vndb are enough to scare or excite people.

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Even as a fan of dark-themed rape nukige, this one doesn't suit my taste at all. No, not because it's "too extreme" or anything, but because most of the so-called "extremities" are really just consensual torture, as in they subjected themselves to the torture in order to prevent each other from being killed. It's boring. It's like watching a typical Japan AV that includes "rape" (Dr. Evil Air Quote) but just really include over-romanticized forms of kinky sex. Sure, disgusting kink, but still consensual kink in general.

 

Compare Captive Market and My Sex Slave is a Classmate for reference. That's what a repulsive rape nukige looks like, not this hipster crap. Honestly, Manga Gamer should focus either on translating great stuff like the two examples I mentioned (the latter of which I know to be a MG-licensed game) or translating the Plus Comm that they owed us. Yes, owed. A lot of stuff were different in DCPC, some of which actually improved the original game (Mako's route...).

 

Speaking of Captive Market, I'm surprised at the high quality production of the VN, though I guess the short length was an important factor for its quality. Not only were the rapes satisfying, they were realistic, in that they mirrored the real life sex trades in more than one way. Damn, this is really a game for sadists (especially if you know how real life sex slaves are treated)... and that's just the way I like it.

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but because most of the so-called "extremities" are really just consensual torture, as in they subjected themselves to the torture in order to prevent each other from being killed

Apparently you didn't play the game. Pattern you are speaking about takes less than half of scenes. Rest are genuine gang-rape, torture and sexual slavery.

Compare Captive Market and My Sex Slave is a Classmate for reference.

These two games are lowest-tier nukige. Complete trash in terms of everything. I'm quite astonished that someone would use them as reference for anything but "what cheapest no-effort-from-creators games look like".
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Even as a fan of dark-themed rape nukige, this one doesn't suit my taste at all. No, not because it's "too extreme" or anything, but because most of the so-called "extremities" are really just consensual torture, as in they subjected themselves to the torture in order to prevent each other from being killed. It's boring. It's like watching a typical Japan AV that includes "rape" (Dr. Evil Air Quote) but just really include over-romanticized forms of kinky sex. Sure, disgusting kink, but still consensual kink in general.

I've only finished Nemu's route so far, but I'd have to disagree with this already. Even if the majority of the h-scenes involving the MC might be under the pretence of 'necessity', I think the VN makes it more than clear enough right from the start that that's nothing more but hypocrisy - and the h-scenes that don't involve him directly don't even have that pretence.

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These two games are lowest-tier nukige. Complete trash in terms of everything. I'm quite astonished that someone would use them as reference for anything but "what cheapest no-effort-from-creators games look like".

Hah! That's just the kind of answer I'd normally expect from you "normal" people. "Complete trash"? It seems that you just can't appreciate the rarity of a good porn that satisfies the darkest desires of mankind. Really, compared to most nukiges? Those are cream of the crop, considering the effective way they executed the rape scenes with a simple and straightforward method - break the haughty bitch who dared bad-mouthed you. Most importantly, "My Sex Slave is a Classmate" gave you the freedom of choice to choose the girl you want to rape and how you want to do it. That kind of interactivity isn't commonly found among most English-translated rape nukiges, because people have such little appreciation for such good stuff. It's really fun, actually, so quit being a prude.

 

I mean, most nukiges have the girls doing what? Break down in less time than you can jack off. Bo-ring. What's so fun about a useless slut who mind breaks so fast? There's no sport. The whole idea of "rape" is power, not sex. That's why games like euphoria that focused so much on the complexities of sex rather than the simple domination of strong women are really just over-compensation. Both Captive Market and My Sex Slave is a Classmate get that, and carried out this simple idea beautifully.

 

It's like a video game writer trying to actually write a good storyline for a video game. I mean, a video game with a s***ty storyline? Yeah, no s*** Sherlock! Stories in video games are accessories, not the main course. That's why people who complain that Destiny has a s***ty storyline has s*** for brains. The same with rape porn. The sex is extra; the power is the main course. The method of humiliation, the stripping of power, now that's much better than trying to figure out how to have the girl lay some chicken eggs or some weird kink like that.

 

Edit:

Check out the exchange between me and this guy at vndb, where we talked about the qualities of a good rape porn, and what made euphoria a bad one.

 

http://vndb.org/t2180

 

Now tyr, that guy? He gets it.

 

Edit 2:

Here's a quote from tyr:

This is such a fundamental truth many writers don't know about: If a girl gives in to the corruption, she instantly gets boring and should be disposed like the trash she became. :D

Only a few heroines stay interesting even after the corruption process. Those are the really beautiful girls you keep as your slaves. This is elementary! 

This is one of the reasons why I'm sick of eroge heroines always loving the main character without reason. Girls without self respect are not worth your effort in corrupting them.

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Hah! That's just the kind of answer I'd normally expect from you "normal" people. "Complete trash"? It seems that you just can't appreciate the rarity of a good porn that satisfies the darkest desires of mankind. Really, compared to most nukiges? Those are cream of the crop, considering the effective way they executed the rape scenes with a simple and straightforward method - break the haughty bitch who dared bad-mouthed you. Most importantly, "My Sex Slave is a Classmate" gave you the freedom of choice to choose the girl you want to rape and how you want to do it. That kind of interactivity isn't commonly found among most English-translated rape nukiges, because people have such little appreciation for such good stuff. It's really fun, actually, so quit being a prude.

 

I mean, most nukiges have the girls doing what? Break down in less time than you can jack off. Bo-ring. What's so fun about a useless slut who mind breaks so fast? There's no sport. The whole idea of "rape" is power, not sex. That's why games like euphoria that focused so much on the complexities of sex rather than the simple domination of strong women are really just over-compensation. Both Captive Market and My Sex Slave is a Classmate get that, and carried out this simple idea beautifully.

 

It's like a video game writer trying to actually write a good storyline for a video game. I mean, a video game with a s***ty storyline? Yeah, no s*** Sherlock! Stories in video games are accessories, not the main course. That's why people who complain that Destiny has a s***ty storyline has s*** for brains. The same with rape porn. The sex is extra; the power is the main course. The method of humiliation, the stripping of power, now that's much better than trying to figure out how to have the girl lay some chicken eggs or some weird kink like that.

 

Edit:

Check out the exchange between me and this guy at vndb, where we talked about the qualities of a good rape porn, and what made euphoria a bad one.

 

http://vndb.org/t2180

 

Now tyr, that guy? He gets it.

 

Edit 2:

Here's a quote from tyr:

This is such a fundamental truth many writers don't know about: If a girl gives in to the corruption, she instantly gets boring and should be disposed like the trash she became. :D

Only a few heroines stay interesting even after the corruption process. Those are the really beautiful girls you keep as your slaves. This is elementary! 

This is one of the reasons why I'm sick of eroge heroines always loving the main character without reason. Girls without self respect are not worth your effort in corrupting them.

 

All edginess aside, why are you trying to compare a nukige to a non-nukige? The games have completely different objectives.

You can't complain that Euphoria doesn't cater correctly to your specific sexual fetishes if the game never tried to do that in the first place.

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All edginess aside, why are you trying to compare a nukige to a non-nukige? The games have completely different objectives.

Because many people lunked it up with quality nukiges by saying that "euphoria is so dark and edgy with all its rape and stuff". Give me a break. Those people have no idea what they are talking about. Their so-called comments about banning the game because they were disgusted by its content? They haven't seen nothing yet. I mean, English-translated nukiges aside, many other Japanese rape nukiges have some serious s*** that would scare the pants off those hippies.

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It seems that you just can't appreciate the rarity of a good porn that satisfies the darkest desires of mankind.

Are you seriously calling that trash "darkest desires of mankind"?

Both games you claim to be dark are vanilla as fuck, and both are even more consensual than euphoria. There's no scat, gore, guro, cannibalism or extreme torture, there's no real mental breakdown, no real descriptions of suffering and anguish.

Go play some real dark nukige, then we will talk. Considering you played only 14 vns total and all of them are english-translated, you don't have qualifications to judge quality of average nukige — you didn't read even single mid-tier or top-tier nukige after all.

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