Anime Boston and Sakura-Con Speculation and Announcements thread

[Dark_blade64]

1 hour ago, Kawasumi said:

and people think im being ironic when I say I hate the anime fanbase  

There is clearly a crossline between being a fan and a completely obsessed asshole devoting his time into doing these things.

[Chuee]

2 hours ago, Zenophilious said:

If I had to take a guess, I'd say it's probably some people on /jp/.  They tend to be consistently terrible people and are known to really hate dovac and SP.

Nope. I didn't see it on any of the threads there, and I feel like if they deleted the post there'd still be replies to it, or at least people talking about it. 

That's why I was really curious as to where this was posted. 

[Nosebleed]

Wow, doxing dovac, really? That's a new form of low.

Never been a SP fan, but I invest my free time in learning Japanese so I can read stuff that'll never be localized instead of attacking people.

[littleshogun]

Interesting that some people had Dovac phone number. But I think even if Dovac somewhat quite infamous so much that we could compared he to Moogy in the past, the harasser was not much better than Dovac himself. Especially if Dovac himself complained it on Twitter. Beside, I think complaining about censorship was quite pointless in my opinion and if they really hate censorship, I suggest they should learn Japanese instead of bombarding Dovac. One more thing, is Dovac really not realizing that his action of censorship will lead to flame and yet he could be so careless to let his phone number to be known publicly, I think it's an interesting question but maybe we'll never find the answer.

Note that if I had Dovac phone number, instead of harassing him with topic like loli censorship, I think I'll try to use it to asking about Root Double release plan in March. Then again, if one or 2 harasser asking him about that I think it's understandable from the point of fans, but if all of the harasser only asking about censorship then I think Dovac had right to be explode at Twitter, because I think the final product was far more important than silly and useless thing such as censorship when the game just announced and released in original language.

tldr - The harassing because a fear of censorship was quite pointless imo. But I think it's far more reasonable if some of the harasser asking about Root Double.

[Erogamer]

Everyone keeps saying "learn Japanese" and I am getting really fed it with that statement. Not everyone has the time or the ability to learn another language so can you just chill out with that? I agree however, that harassing this guy is not  right. This thread has gotten way off topic tho.

[Nosebleed]

3 minutes ago, littleshogun said:

Interesting that some people had Dovac phone number. But I think even if Dovac somewhat quite infamous so much that we could compared he to Moogy in the past, the harasser was not much better than Dovac himself. Especially if Dovac himself complained it on Twitter. Beside, I think complaining about censorship was quite pointless in my opinion and if they really hate censorship, I suggest they should learn Japanese instead of bombarding Dovac. One more thing, is Dovac really not realizing that his action of censorship will lead to flame and yet he could be so careless to let his phone number to be known publicly, I think it's an interesting question but maybe we'll never find the answer.

Note that if I had Dovac phone number, instead of harassing him with topic like loli censorship, I think I'll try to use it to asking about Root Double release plan in March. Then again, if one or 2 harasser asking him about that I think it's understandable from the point of fans, but if all of the harasser only asking about censorship then I think Dovac had right to be explode at Twitter, because I think the final product was far more important than silly and useless thing such as censorship when the game just announced and released in original language.

tldr - The harassing because a fear of censorship was quite pointless imo. But I think it's far more reasonable if some of the harasser asking about Root Double.

>Implying dovac let his phone number up on the internet for people to grab.

Dude, he was doxed, a.k.a his contact information was STOLEN from him, he didn't willingly do this to himself. Your post is like saying you're at fault when your house gets robbed, even f you locked everything up.

Also harassers don't call you to politely ask about games, they call you to, well, harass you, and no you shouldn't do it even if you got your hands on his number because it's a PRIVATE contact. Use SP's public contact if you want information on something.

[littleshogun]

Mod @Nosebleed I see, sorry for my lack of information here. In this case, I think it's safe to assume that either the hacker was very smart for managed to collect his phone number or either his phone was stolen some times ago. Once again, I'm very sorry for not knowing Dovac's situation. And well, if that's really the case it was safe to said the victim here was Dovac of course.

Well, apparently I should not to asking about Root Double release either, it's just my thought earlier, and I'm deeply apologize for trying to thinking about that. But if the harassers really only complained about censorship, it was once again very pointless. And if you said that the harasser only said like profanity to Dovac, I didn't know what to said to harassers other than they had too much free time and obviously they already becoming criminal.

I think that's all for now, and I think for commentary about the original topic, I had enough to expressed my opinion either in Fuwanovel or VNDB, I think.

[Vorathiel]

Back on topic, shall we?
Maitetsu.
I was looking for how the animations look in the game on youtube and found those scenes I post at the end.
Apparently black haired train-girl is 124cm high, blond woman is 158, and blond train-kid is 113cm high (info from vndb, but there was an infographic in early pages of this thread).
Something seems to be... not right with math xD If the small blonde is 113, then that woman should be around 230cm xD
 

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[Decay]

Judging by that screenshot, the top of her head reaches the blond girl's navel, which would make her around 181cm. But anime characters typically have different proportions to real life humans with longer legs, so maybe it's actually accurate? It might feel less odd if you could see their whole bodies.

[ChaosRaven]

The fact that the adult content of both Maitetsu and Chrono Clock is split from the main story, so that it easily can be released 'uncut' as an all ages version, somehow sounds a bit too convenient for me to be just a coincidence. Neither Purple Software nor Lose have done that before, so I wouldn't be surprised if both titles were already created with the intention in mind to release it on the western market.

However, while it's certainly nice that Japanese are really starting to consider the English market, I don't really like the splitting of the adult content from the story. Because this way, it'll be degenerated to just simple porn you can also get from a cheap porn site or magazine. I mean what a visual novel normally lets it stand above that is the fact that this is just a 'part' of the story, just like it is a 'part' of life. But if it's split it loses that notable feature.

And there's also the problem how this issue will be approached in an ongoing relationship. Will it be like "Oh darling, I love you so much!!! Just don't touch me and keep a save distance of 3 metres, okay!?". Or will it be like in anime or some all ages VN's *cough*Clannad*cough* where the story just conveniently ends when the relationship starts?

Overall, I would prefer a 'blackout' like in the Steam version for Dengeki Stryker for situations like this. That way you can still play the original version where everything is in place even if it's just in Japanese. But if it's already written that way, you can't patch it in anymore or read the original version. If the romance parts appear awkward because of that, the VN already lost a good part of its quality and it can't be restored anymore.

For obvious reasons this isn't a big issue for story or action focused VN's like Tokyo Babel, Root Double, Kara no Shoujo, etc. But it can severely hurt moeges which you play just for the romane with the girls.

 

[Fred the Barber]

1 hour ago, ChaosRaven said:

And there's also the problem how this issue will be approached in an ongoing relationship. Will it be like "Oh darling, I love you so much!!! Just don't touch me and keep a save distance of 3 metres, okay!?". Or will it be like in anime or some all ages VN's *cough*Clannad*cough* where the story just conveniently ends when the relationship starts?

That's a really bizarre example, given that Clannad After Story directly discusses the fact that the main characters have sex in a rather prolonged and humorous dialog. Clannad After Story, actually, is a good example of somewhat effectively showing a progressing relationship without feeling any need to show a sex scene.

Moreover, I imagine it depends on the situation. Do people actually talk directly about sex so much (outside of internet forums ) that you would really notice if it was just happening off the camera and not discussed during the story? I doubt I would notice at all, unless it's necessary to the plot. I find it hard to imagine it would be all that important in a story about trains. Clannad After Story only had to do it because the lead female character got pregnant and had a kid.

[ChaosRaven]

9 minutes ago, Fred the Barber said:

That's a really bizarre example, given that Clannad After Story directly discusses the fact that the main characters have sex in a rather prolonged and humorous dialog. Clannad After Story, actually, is a good example of somewhat effectively showing a progressing relationship without feeling any need to show a sex scene.

I wouldn't have complained if the other heroines would have gotten such an after story too, but the unfortunate fact is that they didn't. Nagisa was the only one that got one, and she was the blandest heroine of the whole cast. What a waste... 

[Decay]

For 99% of the non-nukige out there, if they were written without the intention of being erotic, they'd be capable of telling the exact same stories with the same level of effectiveness, even the ones that feature stories about sex. It requires writing for that from the start, though. Taking out content that was written for the main story will always create a sense that something is missing.

"The separation makes it seem like it's just there for the sake of having porn!"

Well, newsflash, that's what it's always been there for. This is commonly understood in Japan. A large amount of these games are marketing based on their sex scenes, and marketed as fap material, even otherwise tame moege. I find it strange that the western community wants to deny the purpose of h-scenes so heavily when it's pretty tacitly understood and accepted in Japan. Everyone there knows the porn isn't necessary, to the extent where the industry is losing a large amount of their customers because they realized they can just download internet porn and then read LNs/Manga for their fiction.

So I'm not convinced that they're changing the format of these games just for the Western market's sake. I think it's just as much for Japan as it is for us. The eroge industry is slowly dying there and they're trying to figure out how they need to change in order to survive. Some developers were doing this before they ever struck a deal with western publishers, like Minori's eden*. 

[Nosebleed]

I'm actually okay with the separation of porn into its own separate content in games. It allows for more creative freedom within the routes themselves instead of having to force feed the reader with porn to fill a checklist, I don't see how that could be such a negative thing. And I'm someone who wholeheartedly enjoys 2D porn and does not want it to go away.

If your game truly wants to be heavily story focused, then don't randomly shove porn in the middle of the story.

This is basically like how people read porn doujins after they finish an anime. Your original story is all there in its full glory, and then you got extra material to fap to.

[Suzu Fanatic]

24 minutes ago, Nosebleed said:

I'm actually okay with the separation of porn into its own separate content in games. It allows for more creative freedom within the routes themselves instead of having to force feed the reader with porn to fill a checklist, I don't see how that could be such a negative thing. And I'm someone who wholeheartedly enjoys 2D porn and does not want it to go away.

If your game truly wants to be heavily story focused, then don't randomly shove porn in the middle of the story.

This is basically like how people read porn doujins after they finish an anime. Your original story is all there in its full glory, and then you got extra material to fap to.

"Mostly" agree with you - with the exception that I'm one of the rare crazies that liked FSN's h-scenes.   The threesome was kinda out there I admit, but the rest fit right in - in my warped mind~

[Chuee]

24 minutes ago, Nosebleed said:

I'm actually okay with the separation of porn into its own separate content in games. It allows for more creative freedom within the routes themselves instead of having to force feed the reader with porn to fill a checklist, I don't see how that could be such a negative thing. And I'm someone who wholeheartedly enjoys 2D porn and does not want it to go away.

If your game truly wants to be heavily story focused, then don't randomly shove porn in the middle of the story.

This is basically like how people read porn doujins after they finish an anime. Your original story is all there in its full glory, and then you got extra material to fap to.

The concern is that it means developers will just half-ass the sex scenes and throw them in because they have to. Specifically with Chrono Clock, the content was apparently so bad the developers apologized and promised to change things with their next game. The new game by the Grisaia team also had complaints about the same thing, yet if you look at something like Grisaia no Meikyuu, by the exact same people, you'll see the erotic content is actually really good while still being separate from the main story. 

[Nosebleed]

9 minutes ago, Chuee said:

The concern is that it means developers will just half-ass the sex scenes and throw them in because they have to. Specifically with Chrono Clock, the content was apparently so bad the developers apologized and promised to change things with their next game. The new game by the Grisaia team also had complaints about the same thing, yet if you look at something like Grisaia no Meikyuu, by the exact same people, you'll see the erotic content is actually really good while still being separate from the main story. 

But... that's exactly what I said in my post.

[Decay]

11 minutes ago, Chuee said:

The concern is that it means developers will just half-ass the sex scenes and throw them in because they have to. Specifically with Chrono Clock, the content was apparently so bad the developers apologized and promised to change things with their next game. The new game by the Grisaia team also had complaints about the same thing, yet if you look at something like Grisaia no Meikyuu, by the exact same people, you'll see the erotic content is actually really good while still being separate from the main story. 

Developers half-assing h-scenes and throwing them in out of a sense of obligation isn't exclusive to VNs that separate the content out of the main story. Maybe it being separated out into menu options makes the half-assedness feel more prominent, but that half-assedness was always there.

[Nosebleed]

If they get separated, I actually think there's more reason not to half ass the h-scenes, since they don't have time constraints and can even put as many as they want without hurting the original storyline and whatnot.

And h-scenes are usually half assed, let's be honest with ourselves.

[ChaosRaven]

55 minutes ago, Nosebleed said:

I'm actually okay with the separation of porn into its own separate content in games. It allows for more creative freedom within the routes themselves instead of having to force feed the reader with porn to fill a checklist, I don't see how that could be such a negative thing. And I'm someone who wholeheartedly enjoys 2D porn and does not want it to go away.

If your game truly wants to be heavily story focused, then don't randomly shove porn in the middle of the story.

And that's why I said this isn't much of an issue for story based titles. Those don't need the adult content because they work without it or even worse, it hurts their story. (I'm looking at you Majikoi, Grisaia, Da Capo 2, etc.)

On the other hand, if you WANT your title to be erotic would a simple H gallery be enough for that? Maybe for you it would, but at least for me it wouldn't because for me an H-scene needs a build-up to have impact.

Take Beat Blades Haruka for example, it had a huge H gallery, but was it erotic? Not really, at least in my opinion, since the scenes were just thrown at your feet without any context or build-up. For some people that might be enough, but at least I expect a bit more.

[Nosebleed]

I'm not defending this model for every game, obviously a nukige doesn't need it and it would only hurt it, but I doubt any nukige developer is going to even consider removing h-scenes from the main game when sex is the point of it.

I see your point about build up and I agree it's important, but then again I've read enough porn doujins where the build up is done in 5 pages and they're still more than enough for me to enjoy the sexual content. And I'm not talking about sex scenes being in a gallery, I'm talking about some form of scene recollection where an entire scene plays out in front of you, and if they cared, they'd give said scene context instead of jumping right into the sex, which is what Maitetsu kinda did.

The model isn't flawless, but I think it is an option worth exploring in some csses, that's basically what I'm saying.

[KuroganeHomura]

 

[Decay]

The obvious guess is that it's Gahkthun related, due to the emphasis on "shocked." They won't announce a new product randomly through twitter, and it hasn't sold well enough for a hard copy as far as I'm aware, so my guess is that they got it approved by Steam.

[ChaosRaven]

Don't think it's a new title or hardcopy since they would announce that at a con.

'Shocking' sounds more like something negative to me. Considering their recent news about Navel, maybe the license for Koihime Musou also runs out and they cut all ties to BaseSon too. And since they're just at it, they do the same with Innocent Grey and Caramel Box too.

Hmm, maybe I'm too pessimistic... 

 

[Zenophilious]

Uhhh...what?  Tesla = electricity.  Electricity shocks people.  "Shocking" announcement.  2 + 2 = 4.  You're really reaching hard for that one, and there's no proof of that, so really, I don't get why you're being so pessimistic.  Why would they tease a blow to their business, especially on a hype machine like Twitter?  That does not make sense.

It's probably one of three things to do with Gahkthun: a Steam release, a hardcopy, or the fandisc getting localized.  The latter two seem pretty unlikely, since as far as I know, it hasn't sold that well, plus I'd imagine that they'd announce the fandisc at a con, not through tweets.  Like Decay said, it's probably a Steam release, which also makes sense, considering that Liarsoft's stuff is pretty tame compared to most VNs.  They already put Yurirei on Steam, why not the other LS title they have?