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1 minute ago, Zenophilious said:

Uhhh...what does Fakku have to do with this?  I was talking about the site whose twitter account you linked to.  Everything but the first link results in errors, probably because I don't have a Fakku account.  Fakku doesn't release stuff on Steam.

I guess, but the potential for much more moral outrage and child porn accusations is infinitely greater if they have anything to do with an 18+ patch.  Google the name of the game off of Steam, see a link to Denpasoft's site for the 18+ patch/version, google Denpasoft, find out it's SP, and boom, mainstream controversy.

Yeah, you said 2D Market is too small and unknown to matter, so I picked a few loli chapters Fakku has published and linked them along with a Forbes article to show Fakku does get into mainstream press sometimes. Point being, releasing something on a similar level as Maitetsu in the West is not without precedent, it's something other publishers have already done.

True, but on the other hand, google the name of the game off of Steam, see a link to a CG rip of the Japanese version and I'd say boom, mainstream controversy.

I mean, I realize the chances of SP actually releasing an 18+ version are slim given their track record. I'm just arguing there's a possibility and doing it wouldn't be without precedent. I'd really like to be happy about the announcement and looking at that possibility at least lets me be kinda indifferent instead of pissed off.

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It's weird, though, because SP already pulled the plug once when Youjo Simulator had that easter egg where you find a ragdoll girl model you can toy around with. Considering something as silly as that made them take the game down from Steam once, I don't know why they decided Maitetsu was the way to go given the developer is famous for its loli content.

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6 minutes ago, Crayten said:

Fred stepped up for us!

Excellent job, Fred. Now ask if the announcement of a Sakura Spirit manga was about Sekai acknowledging Winged Cloud’s poor writing ability, and responding to that by attempting to shove them into a medium that doesn’t value ‘the written word’ as highly (or at all ...)

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3 minutes ago, Rooke said:

Excellent job, Fred. Now ask if the announcement of a Sakura Spirit manga was about Sekai acknowledging Winged Cloud’s poor writing ability, and responding to that by attempting to shove them into a medium that doesn’t value ‘the written word’ as highly (or at all ...)

Actually, I think ecchi manga does Sakura Spirit more justice than the VN, so it might not be such a silly decision to make. It's still absolute crap in terms of story, sure, but at least manga has a wide variety of illustrations and panels to gaze at, whereas VNs like Sakura Spirit have a few CGs and that's it. If there's something everyone agrees Winged Cloud is decent at it's making art, and what better medium to bring that out than manga (I guess they cpuld make art books but who would buy those lol)? Sure, the story will keep being bad, but at least you get some diversity in terms of what you're looking at.

This is all assuming they want to make GOOD fanservice manga, of course.

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17 minutes ago, KuroganeHomura said:

True, but on the other hand, google the name of the game off of Steam, see a link to a CG rip of the Japanese version and I'd say boom, mainstream controversy.

Not denying that, but it could seriously end them if it ended up hitting the news that they were making an 18+ version or patch for it.  Hell, if someone makes a restoration patch they might get shit for making a version that could be patched in the first place.  Remember Hot Coffee and Oblivion's re-rating for a topless mod?

Just looked up some CGs, and Holy Mary, Mother of God.  There's no way that's ever going to get an official 18+ version, not unless they still gut the loli content and leave the rest of the post-pubescent character h-scenes in the patch.  I really question if even MangaGamer or JAST would try to touch that, "unofficial" patch or not.

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5 minutes ago, Zenophilious said:

Not denying that, but it could seriously end them if it ended up hitting the news that they were making an 18+ version or patch for it.  Hell, if someone makes a restoration patch they might get shit for making a version that could be patched in the first place.  Remember Hot Coffee and Oblivion's re-rating for a topless mod?

Just looked up some CGs, and Holy Mary, Mother of God.  There's no way that's ever going to get an official 18+ version, not unless they still gut the loli content and leave the rest of the post-pubescent character h-scenes in the patch.  I really question if even MangaGamer or JAST would try to touch that, "unofficial" patch or not.

Never played the +18 version of Little Witch by Jast? Can't see it getting any more controversial then that - yet nary a sound was made on the net.

 

Besides, people are freaking out about the cencorship (or lack of) SP's title before factoring one key thing - SP will want to start up a Kickstarter for it probably :makina: - so anyone wanting it will have to contend with that barrier first.

 

EDIT: words are hard - cleaned up attrocious typos and grammar.

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1 minute ago, Suzu Fanatic said:

Besdies, people are fereaking out about SP's title before factoring one key thing - SP will want to start up a Kickstarter for it probably :makina: - so anyone wanting it will have to contend with that barrier first.

I wonder if the game would even be allowed on KS to begin with though, pornographic content or not.

The Kodomo no Jikan manga licensing project was not allowed on KS despite being a narrative driven work which was even licensed in the US once before. It also has way less fanservice than Maitetsu, so this seems like it would follow a similar fate.

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5 minutes ago, Suzu Fanatic said:

Never played the +18 version a little witch by Jast? Can't see it getting any more controversial then that - eyt nary a sound was made on the net.

 

Besdies, people are fereaking out about SP's title before factoring one key thing - SP will want to start up a Kickstarter for it probably :makina: - so anyone wanting it will have to contend with that barrier first.

Some of the characters in Maitetsu look younger than them, or even Mare, and yes, you bone them.  Kinda remind me of the main character in that sex sim that must not be named that started the most recent loligeddon, actually.

 

2 minutes ago, Decay said:

Lose's lolis are even younger in appearance than Romanesque. There were some characters with h-scenes in Monobeno who had the appearance of six year olds. They go that far.

Can confirm, some of the girls in Maitetsu look like they're six.  I seriously wonder if I should've used a proxy before I went to its Getchu page...

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28 minutes ago, Decay said:

Lose's lolis are even younger in appearance than Romanesque. There were some characters with h-scenes in Monobeno who had the appearance of six year olds. They go that far.

Point being, the sort of people that would start a holy crusade against such content, aren't the type to split hairs on this matter - a loli is anything that "looks under 18" to them, regardless. So, if it hasent made waves yet - can't see it starting now. SP just has to play it safe, SELL the +18 version seperately, as a age-gate - not offer a patch.

 

Mind you, SP offered patches for both nekoparas right? And those characters were pretty questionable as far as looks go. (remove the cat ears and tails, and you can pretty safely call 3 of them lolis)

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And then you remember that the fear of some Canadian SP translators of being labeled child porn producers was one of the main reasons behind JAST not putting Kokoro's route in their version of Shiny Days and releasing an "unofficial" patch, and that Kokoro is much older than some of the girls in Maitetsu...

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Honestly Sekai Project is probably better not releasing maitetsu on Steam simply because of the potential negative traction it could receive. This acquisition makes no sense based on sekai project's previous track record and commentary. I will continue being confused it seems...then again they announced acquisition of the license (inevitable indiegogo or kickstarter to follow) but said nothing about releasing it with all the routes fully intact. Guess people will just have to wait and see what comes of all of this. 

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Licensing a definitive loli-ge from an acclaimed developer of lolicon games--to then censor the lolis--is perhaps Dovac's finest moment.  He managed to troll lolicons, SJWs, and amaze and confuse the VN community all in one fell swoop.  While no one can quite imagine what twisted mind could possibly conceive that this was a good idea, all can agree that this moment will go down in history as the moment that the VN community met terrorism--and its face was Dovac.

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28 minutes ago, Suzu Fanatic said:

Point being, the sort of people that would start a holy crusade against such content, aren't the type to split hairs on this matter - a loli is anything that "looks under 18" to them, regardless. So, if it hasent made waves yet - can't see it starting now. SP just has to play it safe, SELL the +18 version seperately, as a age-gate - not offer a patch.

 

Mind you, SP offered patches for both nekoparas right? And those characters were pretty questionable as far as looks go. (remove the cat ears and tails, and you can pretty safely call 3 of them lolis)

I really don't think this is the case. There are definitely people who would split hairs. And there are also people who just wouldn't notice or care about a loli if they still look like a young teen or something (Romanesque), versus a small child. I definitely think the degree of youthfulness matters greatly in this kind of thing. 

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52 minutes ago, Zenophilious said:

And then you remember that the fear of some Canadian SP translators of being labeled child porn producers was one of the main reasons behind JAST not putting Kokoro's route in Shiny Days and releasing an "unofficial" patch, and that Kokoro is much older than the girls in Maitetsu...

True enough - I hadn't considered the whole Shiny Days affair.

Unless they're "really" confident it can sell on it's own, without the h-content - and leave that aspect buried as far away from them as possible (outside of a proactive hunt for cgs on image boards) Still, I agree it seems a high-risk title to show off, in hindsight.

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I guess I'll go on record and say that overall, I mainly feel amused and apathetic about this. I'm perfectly okay with SP trying to sell this on Steam, and I even don't care about the lack of an 18+ version, and I look forward to the chaos that will ensue.

I don't actually care about the game, because I don't really like lolis.

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6 minutes ago, sanahtlig said:

Licensing a definitive loli-ge from an acclaimed developer of lolicon games--to then censor the lolis--is perhaps Dovac's finest moment.  He managed to troll lolicons, SJWs, and throw the entire VN community into amazement and confusion in one fell swoop.  While no one can quite imagine what twisted mind could possibly conceive that this was a good idea, all can agree that this moment will go down in history as the moment that the VN community met terrorism--and its face was Dovac.

:sachi:

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1 hour ago, Zenophilious said:

And then you remember that the fear of some Canadian SP translators of being labeled child porn producers was one of the main reasons behind JAST not putting Kokoro's route in their version of Shiny Days and releasing an "unofficial" patch, and that Kokoro is much older than some of the girls in Maitetsu...

The issue with shiny days was the fact that Makoto very obviously raped Kokoro in some of them. There was a consensual scene with a girl that was basically Kokoro's age that got left in. 

 

1 hour ago, Decay said:

I guess I'll go on record and say that overall, I mainly feel amused and apathetic about this. I'm perfectly okay with SP trying to sell this on Steam, and I even don't care about the lack of an 18+ version, and I look forward to the chaos that will ensue.

I don't actually care about the game, because I don't really like lolis.

Even if you don't care for the content being removed, there are people that like that stuff, and it should at least be understandable why people would be a bit disappointed. I don't particularly care for lolis that young-looking, but I at least think it would be a shame if the content never ended up coming over. 

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Since we're on the topic of younger lolis, google "free style aji bitches" and view pages 30/31 to put things into perspective.

But yeah, I guess there is a certain cut-off point somewhere between loli and really young loli that does make a difference in how people will react.

On a entirely unrelated note, there's a Greenlight page for Schwarzesmarken up now. And seems SP is somehow involved with Degica now?

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In this week's VNTS, I touch upon the social issue Maitetsu will face with Steam. Mainly, I wonder how many people will be afraid to buy and play Maitetsu on Steam purely out of shame? Another one of the problems this industry will end up running into with Steam is the inability to be discrete in the system, unless you choose to block yourself off from the community and your friends entirely.

I guess people could always buy a secondary account for this purpose, but when you start introducing hurdles like that, you start bleeding potential customers. They'll start feeling like they're doing something wrong, having to have a secondary account no one knows about, and will stop themselves. 

It's a complex psychological and sociological issue, to be sure.

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