Dergonu Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Thomas said: Like Ren said, he has discovered the power off Coconut (or more likely her boobs and ass) That ... Doesn't really make it any more obvious why you'd buy something expensive from a game you haven't even played ... Like, if it was just a wallpaper on your PC I'd get it. Well, to each their own I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Blue Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 3 hours ago, KuroganeHomura said: Indeed. There are superior mouse pads available, after all. I'm sorry but that looks plain awful..almost scary, it looks like a tumor :/ I don't know who designed that but he/she clearly failed and really hard (more than mitsuru itself lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madvanced Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 10 hours ago, Palas said: who even uses mouse pads in 2016 palas I hope that you are being sarcastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosebleed Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Dergonu said: Wait, why would you buy items linked to a game you havent played ... All Ren can see when he looks at characters is their outter appearance. As long as they look good he'll get them, that's why he has figures of so many shit girls. Dergonu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 1 hour ago, madvanced said: palas I hope that you are being sarcastic. Palas makes a valid point. There's two reasons not to use them. Reason number 1 - Mousepads were necessary back in the days of the old 'ball' mice, the ones which needed friction to roll and you had to take the ball out and clean regularly. With optic and laser mice they are no longer necessary, tables or any flat surface is fine. Of course if you're trying to move the mouse on a bit of carpet or your bedspread, you'll likely need a mousepad of some kind, along with a swift kick in the nuts for being lazy and not sitting at a table. Using mousepads are unnecessary like Qwerty keyboards are no longer necessary. I haven't used one for a long time. Reason number 2 - Your wrist will benefit with a large surface area to lean on. Ideally you should be resting your entire forearm on the desk and moving the mouse, it cuts down the pressure and prevent stress injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosebleed Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, Rooke said: There's two reasons not to use them. Reason number 1 - Mousepads were necessary back in the days of the old ball mice, the ones which needed friction to roll and you had to take the ball out and clean regularly. With optic and laser mice they are no longer necessary, tables or any flat surface is fine. Of course if you're trying to move the mouse on a bit of carpet or your bedspread, you'll likely need a mousepad of some kind, along with a swift kick in the nuts for being lazy and not sitting at a table. Using mousepads are unnecessary like Qwerty keyboards are no longer necessary. I haven't used one for a long time. Reason number 2 - Your wrist will benefit with a large surface area to lean on. Ideally you should be resting your entire forearm on the desk and moving the mouse, it cuts down the pressure and prevent stress injuries. Well someone hasn't tried playing osu without a mousepad. Although I understand where you're coming from on a technical level, I don't think every flat surface works that well. My desk can vary between being really slippery and getting the mouse stuck at random. Having a mousepad completely solved the problem for me since the surface is consistent and feels smoother. Of course I'm talking about a mousepad with a decent surface area, not a tiny one. And yes, I clean my desk, but it's probably gotten rougher with the years, hence the uneven feel. So ultimately mouse pads do still serve a purpose if you want to achieve a smooth, consistent surface, which is required if you need to aim properly. Of course if you're just doing regular stuff on your computer, you don't normally need one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawasumi Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 was about to go on a feminazi rant about liking characters for their personality. But then I remembered that its nekopara we're talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetpack003 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 One of the reasons why you need a mousepad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkZedge Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 4 hours ago, Dergonu said: That ... Doesn't really make it any more obvious why you'd buy something expensive from a game you haven't even played ... Like, if it was just a wallpaper on your PC I'd get it. Well, to each their own I guess... I understand what you mean Senpai. The mouse pad talk is real in here though 1 hour ago, Kawasumi said: was about to go on a feminazi rant about liking characters for their personality. But then I remembered that its nekopara we're talking about Do you mean "Personality" or actual Personality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madvanced Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Rooke said: Palas makes a valid point. There's two reasons not to use them. Reason number 1 - Mousepads were necessary back in the days of the old 'ball' mice, the ones which needed friction to roll and you had to take the ball out and clean regularly. With optic and laser mice they are no longer necessary, tables or any flat surface is fine. Of course if you're trying to move the mouse on a bit of carpet or your bedspread, you'll likely need a mousepad of some kind, along with a swift kick in the nuts for being lazy and not sitting at a table. Using mousepads are unnecessary like Qwerty keyboards are no longer necessary. I haven't used one for a long time. Reason number 2 - Your wrist will benefit with a large surface area to lean on. Ideally you should be resting your entire forearm on the desk and moving the mouse, it cuts down the pressure and prevent stress injuries. Well then let me make my points then, if it's not too much of a bother. 1st point - Although optical/laser mice have much better tracking, normal desks, without regards to material, usually have micro roughness which will inevitably produce some weird tracking sometimes. While this is not an issue for people that just browse the web, even for something as simple as gaming it may someday lead to a rage inducing event. I'm even disregarding desks made of materials like glass. 2nd point - mice have rubber bits that are used to facilitate travel which will wear away on rougher surfaces, aka not on mousepads. 3rd point - Regarding your last point you are assuming from the get go that a mouse pad will be small, a mousepad with a size of 45cmx40cm will be more than enough for anyone, the added cushioning from the mousepad's thickness would help support the arm as well. On a last note I'm curious on your bit about qwerty keyboards, are you talking about physical keyboards or the layout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Say what you want, but my mouse doesn't work at all on my table and I'm forced to use a mousepad. My mouse even says high performance laser on the bottom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the Barber Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 33 minutes ago, Kiriririri said: Say what you want, but my mouse doesn't work at all on my table and I'm forced to use a mousepad. My mouse even says high performance laser on the bottom! Do you have a glass table or something? Maybe you should get a low-performance laser instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 11 minutes ago, Fred the Barber said: Do you have a glass table or something? Maybe you should get a low-performance laser instead. Nope but the problem is in the table+laser compatibility so you are right. What I just wanted to say is just that mousepads are not always useless : P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkilbride Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 45 minutes ago, madvanced said: Well then let me make my points then, if it's not too much of a bother. 1st point - Although optical/laser mice have much better tracking, normal desks, without regards to material, usually have micro roughness which will inevitably produce some weird tracking sometimes. While this is not an issue for people that just browse the web, even for something as simple as gaming it may someday lead to a rage inducing event. I'm even disregarding desks made of materials like glass. 2nd point - mice have rubber bits that are used to facilitate travel which will wear away on rougher surfaces, aka not on mousepads. 3rd point - Regarding your last point you are assuming from the get go that a mouse pad will be small, a mousepad with a size of 45cmx40cm will be more than enough for anyone, the added cushioning from the mousepad's thickness would help support the arm as well. On a last note I'm curious on your bit about qwerty keyboards, are you talking about physical keyboards or the layout? Rubber bits? Uh, no, it's Teflon. Infact, I just replaced my my Teflon feet, which were a few years old, and things are much smoother. I've tried wooden desk, glass desk, even a expensive 45$ mouse pad, the "Razer Destructor 2", which is a hard mouse pad and works fine. But it grinds away at the Teflon. http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mouse-mats/razer-destructor-2 However, it worked great, but something was missing in comparison to my older cloth mouse pads. I use a G9x, which has a ANS-9500 Laser. It tracks best on the hard mouse pad as shown above, yet the problem is there's a lack of control on Aluminum / smooth surfaces. So I moved on and saw a 10$ Microfiber mouse pad on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Glorious-Extended-Gaming-Mouse-Mat/dp/B00J2EF4K6 Do forgive the name, it's stupid, I know. But for 10$, it works really well for me and all the mice I've tried on it. They also have great customer support, it says machine washable, so I decided to try it after owning it for almost a year, but ti ended up kind of busting in the washer, i/e the cloth separated from the base, despite following instructions. I contacted them about a replacement and they sent a new one out, without even wanting the old one back. No questions asked. Good service and price, I'd say. However, it is rather large, and thin, which IS good, but means it will bump along anything on your desk and mess up your accuracy. So abit after that, I had an idea. I pulled out my expensive 45$(I still cannot fathom why I bothered buying such an expensive one, but I was desperate at the time, my accuracy seems to be down in games.), I placed THAT down, then my Microfiber pad on top of it, which gave it a perfectly flat surface. I also removed my wrist wrest after reading many articles that showed it only strained your wrist, didn't help. I've tried it on and off, with and without, and it's tough to say. There's benefits to both. I feel like I have a tiny bit more control with a wrist rest, but at the same time it applies pressure to your wrist, causing strain, and therefore negating the benefit almost. Infact my wrist pain cleared up quite abit when I stopped using one, to my surprise. I'd say Laser mice are still better as long as you have the proper mouse pad and surface for it. Optical allow you more room for error, but overall aren't as pinpoint accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madvanced Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 26 minutes ago, Mkilbride said: Rubber bits? Uh, no, it's Teflon. Infact, I just replaced my my Teflon feet, which were a few years old, and things are much smoother. I've tried wooden desk, glass desk, even a expensive 45$ mouse pad, the "Razer Destructor 2", which is a hard mouse pad and works fine. But it grinds away at the Teflon. http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mouse-mats/razer-destructor-2 However, it worked great, but something was missing in comparison to my older cloth mouse pads. I use a G9x, which has a ANS-9500 Laser. It tracks best on the hard mouse pad as shown above, yet the problem is there's a lack of control on Aluminum / smooth surfaces. So I moved on and saw a 10$ Microfiber mouse pad on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Glorious-Extended-Gaming-Mouse-Mat/dp/B00J2EF4K6 Do forgive the name, it's stupid, I know. But for 10$, it works really well for me and all the mice I've tried on it. They also have great customer support, it says machine washable, so I decided to try it after owning it for almost a year, but ti ended up kind of busting in the washer, i/e the cloth separated from the base, despite following instructions. I contacted them about a replacement and they sent a new one out, without even wanting the old one back. No questions asked. Good service and price, I'd say. However, it is rather large, and thin, which IS good, but means it will bump along anything on your desk and mess up your accuracy. So abit after that, I had an idea. I pulled out my expensive 45$(I still cannot fathom why I bothered buying such an expensive one, but I was desperate at the time, my accuracy seems to be down in games.), I placed THAT down, then my Microfiber pad on top of it, which gave it a perfectly flat surface. I also removed my wrist wrest after reading many articles that showed it only strained your wrist, didn't help. I've tried it on and off, with and without, and it's tough to say. There's benefits to both. I feel like I have a tiny bit more control with a wrist rest, but at the same time it applies pressure to your wrist, causing strain, and therefore negating the benefit almost. Infact my wrist pain cleared up quite abit when I stopped using one, to my surprise. I'd say Laser mice are still better as long as you have the proper mouse pad and surface for it. Optical allow you more room for error, but overall aren't as pinpoint accuracy. Actually optical mice have better tracking than laser, since laser has inherent hardware acceleration unlike optical, laser sensors are however much easier to produce in terms of how high it's dpi(or cpi w/e you wish to call it) can go. Also I just called the feet, rubber feet for simplicity's sake, since it's what most people call it(and a lot of lower tier mice actually use rubber or cheap plastics for it). In terms of the pad itself I prefer cloth pads as well, I use the steelseries QcK+ which cost me between 12 and 15 euros when I bought in a local shop iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 2 hours ago, madvanced said: On a last note I'm curious on your bit about qwerty keyboards, are you talking about physical keyboards or the layout? The layout. If you've ever used a manual typewriter you'd know if you type too fast it jams the pins. It's one of those things which makes manual typewriters so annoying to use. To semi solve this problem a long time ago, they decided to mix the keys up and place the most often used letters far away from the default position. In other words, they wanted your hands to travel further to slow you down. This design is known as 'QWERTY', it's slower and makes your hands travel a very long way which can lead to RSI problems. All the cool kids use DVORAK. It's a design which places the most used letters closest to the default position, which speeds you up and places less pressure on your wrist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, Rooke said: The layout. If you've ever used a manual typewriter you'd know if you type too fast it jams the pins. It's one of those things which makes manual typewriters so annoying to use. To semi solve this problem a long time ago, they decided to mix the keys up and place the most often used letters far away from the default position. In other words, they wanted your hands to travel further to slow you down. This design is known as 'QWERTY', it's slower and makes your hands travel a very long way which can lead to RSI problems. All the cool kids use DVORAK. It's a design which places the most used letters closest to the default position, which speeds you up and places less pressure on your wrist. Just use speech-to-text you grandpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 TFW my thread about Nekopara porn turns into a heated debate about typing and mousepads. Fuwanovel everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkilbride Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 No one cares about Nekopara porn, that's why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madvanced Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 53 minutes ago, Rooke said: The layout. If you've ever used a manual typewriter you'd know if you type too fast it jams the pins. It's one of those things which makes manual typewriters so annoying to use. To semi solve this problem a long time ago, they decided to mix the keys up and place the most often used letters far away from the default position. In other words, they wanted your hands to travel further to slow you down. This design is known as 'QWERTY', it's slower and makes your hands travel a very long way which can lead to RSI problems. All the cool kids use DVORAK. It's a design which places the most used letters closest to the default position, which speeds you up and places less pressure on your wrist. Oh about all that stuff I already knew, however there's one problem with Dvorak's own invention, there was never any study or empirical evidence to support his claims, and when you are so used to one layout there is little sense to switch as you already have a certain muscle memory built, therefore whichever speed you would gain theoretically with DVORAK would rendered useless by the interference of prior knowledge of QWERTY, this in turn would also lead to some stress as well(well maybe mostly of the mental kind ). So yeah, while DVORAK may be better(and I stress the may) and a lot of cool kids use it, I find it to be useless to switch in my personal case since I would probably never reach the same proficiency with it as I do with QWERTY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mkilbride said: No one cares about Nekopara porn, that's why. Then don't come in the thread and read it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redpanda Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Laser mice are a real hassle for playing shooter games. 'Higher DPI means higher accuracy' is a common misconception and a damn dirty marketing statement. DPI is just measurement for mouse sensitivity and has got nothing to do with accuracy. Moreover, accuracy doesn't really matter much since most mice are equally accurate. What matters is precision, in other words, consistency. Laser sensors have different wavelength than optical sensors which instructs them to 'over-read' the surface your mouse is on and depending on the nature of the surface, it causes inconsistencies on their tracking speed. I had a hard time playing CS with laser mouse since the aim was all over the place so I switched back to optical mouse and has been killing it since (well I still lose most of the time). 40 minutes ago, OriginalRen said: Then don't come in the thread and read it? Is that a fakking rhetorical question? Disliked. EDIT: shit, I just ask a rhetorical question myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 40 minutes ago, madvanced said: So yeah, while DVORAK may be better(and I stress the may) and a lot of cool kids use it, I find it to be useless to switch in my personal case since I would probably never reach the same proficiency with it as I do with QWERTY. It takes months, possibly half a year, to get used to the DVORAK. Muscle memory is learned memory, which just means time and application to learn a new way. The switch is mainly advised for people who type a lot and start developing RSI, Dvorak tends to reduce (and in many instances gets rid of) those problems. Mainly because while the claims may be exaggerated, they’re based off many truths. Your fingers will travel about 40% further on a QWERTY, that can be the equivalent of many miles (depending on how much typing you do,) and this builds stress (and reduces speed.) So writers, for example, I know of quite a few writers who made the switch and never looked back[1]. But many people will need to start experiencing RSI problems before they’ll be convinced of the benefit. 40% may be lower than the figure stated, but once you start experiencing health problems that 40% is a pretty large figure indeed. Obviously if you don’t do much typing then there isn’t much point, especially considering QWERTY is used everywhere, but looking (for example) at the figures on this blog here[2], the build up of stress and accumulation of miles is significant for those who do a lot of typing. [1] http://hollylisle.com/dvorak-a-me-three-months-later/ [2] http://patorjk.com/blog/2009/07/12/typing-distance/ 44 minutes ago, OriginalRen said: TFW my thread about Nekopara porn turns into a heated debate about typing and mousepads. Fuwanovel everyone. I have a small feeling this one may be my fault. It's only a small feeling though ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madvanced Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Rooke said: It takes months, possibly half a year, to get used to the DVORAK. Muscle memory is learned memory, which just means time and application to learn a new way. The switch is mainly advised for people who type a lot and start developing RSI, Dvorak tends to reduce (and in many instances gets rid of) those problems. Mainly because while the claims may be exaggerated, they’re based off many truths. Your fingers will travel about 40% further on a QWERTY, that can be the equivalent of many miles (depending on how much typing you do,) and this builds stress (and reduces speed.) So writers, for example, I know of quite a few writers who made the switch and never looked back[1]. But many people will need to start experiencing RSI problems before they’ll be convinced of the benefit. 40% may be lower than the figure stated, but once you start experiencing health problems that 40% is a pretty large figure indeed. Obviously if you don’t do much typing then there isn’t much point, especially considering QWERTY is used everywhere, but looking (for example) at the figures on this blog here[2], the build up of stress and accumulation of miles is significant for those who do a lot of typing. [1] http://hollylisle.com/dvorak-a-me-three-months-later/ [2] http://patorjk.com/blog/2009/07/12/typing-distance/ I have a small feeling this one may be my fault. It's only a small feeling though ... My only problem with facts regarding layouts is that it only accounts for the use of the English language and I tend to write in another languages as well(although I do type mostly in English). I never did develop RSI either so I don't believe that I will need to do the switch anytime soon, my hands already move faster than my brain sometimes can handle so there's not much I can do. On a final note, while I do type quite a bit for some project "stuffs" I mainly game, so QWERTY still rules supreme because game devs(not that you can't rebind keys, but native support means less of a hassle for me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeruleanGamer Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 On 2/21/2016 at 4:17 AM, Dergonu said: Wait, why would you buy items linked to a game you havent played ... I thought you do that all the time with your yuri stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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