Sekai Project's new licenses

[Chuee]

19 minutes ago, CeruleanGamer said:

Agreed. People who say the Hoshimemo fantranslate is bad havent seen shit released by Moenovel. Now that shit is fucking unreadable.

Sure theres lot of grammatical errors on the current Hoshimemo fantranslate like your and you're being interchanged everywhere but my fucking god, if you are half proficient in English you should still be able to understand what is being said. You are either a grammar nazi or a college English professor if you nitpick all these small fry errors. 

It reads terribly stilted, so if you have any sort of standard, you should be able to notice that the characters don't speak like normal people. That and it was a Chinese --> English translation and was riddled with errors. 

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/45meml/sekai_project_has_picked_up_hoshizora_no_memoria/czz7at0

If the editor is finding translation errors, you probably aren't doing a good job. 

[Suzu Fanatic]

I wonder how they will approach Chinami's route, on Steam - even with H-content cut out,  the remaining implied incest can't really be avoided unless they pull a Moenovel~

[Deep Blue]

7 minutes ago, Suzu Fanatic said:

I wonder how they will approach Chinami's route, on Steam - even with H-content cut out,  the remaining implied incest can't really be avoided unless they pull a Moenovel~

If you are reading vns on steam (not everyone but in general) you obviously don't care about censorship or having a complete vn butchered, you do it to gain likes in your funny reviews, that you probably didnt read in the first place you just left the novel open for a hours so it looks like you did, and look cool to the whole world and friends on steam, and maybe if you are really really lucky a cool page like kotaku, IGN or any great great site will grab your comment and paste it in a super ultra profound article of that novel and then you can read the super ultra profound comments on that article about how visual novels are porn. YAY \/

[Decay]

24 minutes ago, Suzu Fanatic said:

I wonder how they will approach Chinami's route, on Steam - even with H-content cut out,  the remaining implied incest can't really be avoided unless they pull a Moenovel~

I'm actually kind of surprised people are still making posts like this. What does removing the h-scenes have to do with removing the incest? Why wouldn't they be able to keep that in the Steam version?

[Soulless Watcher]

8 minutes ago, Decay said:

I'm actually kind of surprised people are still making posts like this. What does removing the h-scenes have to do with removing the incest? Why wouldn't they be able to keep that in the Steam version?

Well, at least in the area that I live in (Midwest America) incest is even higher on the moral degenerate scale, than fapping without crying and constantly appologizing to the picture of Jesus hanged over your bedpost. So, it would be kinda odd for them to cut out the sex and leave the incest in when they are trying to appease the westerners (who arn't degenerate confederates or Eastern European porn stars). 

However, I just realize that we are living in a post Game of Thrones world so it probably wouldn't be as frowned upon now. 

[Decay]

I really don't think they're going to give a shit about that. Cutting content has nothing to do with public morals and everything to do with getting onto Steam. In my experience, western companies tend to cut out very little when they do these censored versions themselves. I haven't played the steam version of g-senjou but apparently it left in a lot more than people were expecting. 

[Soulless Watcher]

8 minutes ago, Decay said:

I really don't think they're going to give a shit about that. Cutting content has nothing to do with public morals and everything to do with getting onto Steam. In my experience, western companies tend to cut out very little when they do these censored versions themselves. I haven't played the steam version of g-senjou but apparently it left in a lot more than people were expecting. 

You mean the entire top and bottom of the visual novel? Joking aside pleasing Steam seems to be like pleasing Kickstarter, the rules are fucking arbitrary and almost completely meaningless. So it will probably be ignored by the content reviewers, unless someone is in a bad mood because it's a Monday and their wife told them to buy milk.

[WinterfuryZX]

1 hour ago, Suzu Fanatic said:

I wonder how they will approach Chinami's route, on Steam - even with H-content cut out,  the remaining implied incest can't really be avoided unless they pull a Moenovel~

As long there's no genitals they don't care.

[Decay]

31 minutes ago, Soulless Watcher said:

You mean the entire top and bottom of the visual novel? Joking aside pleasing Steam seems to be like pleasing Kickstarter, the rules are fucking arbitrary and almost completely meaningless. So it will probably be ignored by the content reviewers, unless someone is in a bad mood because it's a Monday and their wife told them to buy milk.

Not really? Pleasing Steam is pretty easy. You'd be very surprised what you can get away with, there's even bare loli "breasts" in that recent taiwanese VN I can't remember the name of. They will absolutely never prohibit a game because of incest. 

[Chuee]

Here is more than likely what'll happen. The h-scenes will be taken out, doing that is fairly easily, since the game script separates them from the rest of the text. All of the non-h CGs that contain nipples will be censored, with a light beam if they don't want to waste time, or with hair or something if they want it to look good. I think there's something like 4 or 5 of those CGs? If they wanted to be fancy they could try and get the Kosame and Chinami ones in, but I doubt the Mare one would be approved by valve uncensored. 

[Soulless Watcher]

Just now, Decay said:

Not really? Pleasing Steam is pretty easy. You'd be very surprised what you can get away with, there's even bare loli "breasts" in that recent taiwanese VN I can't remember the name of. They will absolutely never prohibit a game because of incest. 

Well I meant that both Kickstarter's and Steam's rules are pretty lax. Just every once in a while something like Hatred gets flagged for some reason, while there is a sea of awfulness that gets by undetected.

[WinterfuryZX]

22 minutes ago, Chuee said:

Here is more than likely what'll happen. The h-scenes will be taken out, doing that is fairly easily, since the game script separates them from the rest of the text. All of the non-h CGs that contain nipples will be censored, with a light beam if they don't want to waste time, or with hair or something if they want it to look good. I think there's something like 4 or 5 of those CGs? If they wanted to be fancy they could try and get the Kosame and Chinami ones in, but I doubt the Mare one would be approved by valve uncensored. 

Again, they don't care about nipples,  there's no reason to censor them.

[Erogamer]

Sekai should have never picked this up because they are anti Loi. Say goodbye to an 18+ version. If there is one I am sure Mare content will be removed. And if they take up any other Favorite games it will be a mess as lolis are the main heroine in them.

[sanahtlig]

I think people are confusing MoeNovel's antics with the necessary steps to actually get a game on Steam.  MoeNovel didn't censor KonoSora to get it on Steam.  They genuinely wanted to whitewash the game to appeal to a different demographic and appear family-friendly.  Valve's rules appear to be in place to prevent conflicts with the hodgepodge of obscenity laws in different regions.  They're not trying to play moral guardians, as that would conflict with their vision of an open Steam marketplace.

[Narcosis]

2 hours ago, Decay said:

Not really? Pleasing Steam is pretty easy. You'd be very surprised what you can get away with, there's even bare loli "breasts" in that recent taiwanese VN I can't remember the name of. They will absolutely never prohibit a game because of incest. 

2 hours ago, WinterfuryZX said:

As long there's no genitals they don't care.

Pleasing majority of modern casual playerbase is extremely easy. On the contrary, you'd be surprised over the kind of shit western publishers and audiences can sometimes flip tables; so nope, it's not simply "don't show genitals and it'll be fine", it depends on context and whether someone with a stick up in their arse won't notice, nor care enough. Have a bad day, and people can cause an uproar over the silliest of things and as silly it may sound, it can ruin your entire future as a creator, artist or game designer.

[jetpack003]

7 hours ago, Chuee said:

It reads terribly stilted, so if you have any sort of standard, you should be able to notice that the characters don't speak like normal people. That and it was a Chinese --> English translation and was riddled with errors. 

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/45meml/sekai_project_has_picked_up_hoshizora_no_memoria/czz7at0

If the editor is finding translation errors, you probably aren't doing a good job. 

I think the term being 'readable' in her understanding (and mine as well) is that the sentence was structured in a way so that the reader was able to interpret and understand the concept of the theme without being clueless to what's going on. Although the translation was not 100% accurate or presented properly, the positive thing was that the sentence itself did not contain any grammatical mistakes and is understandable when read by itself disregarding personality, theme, terminology etc.

There are worst ones out there, like Hinata Bokko. That translation felt like it was done by using auto-correct fresh out of microsoft word. That gave a shit-ton of translation errors to the point that I don't even know what was going on.  Not only that but they somehow botched the words as well for example you have the word 'rake'. You add one letter to the front of the word like 'b' and it becomes brake.

If the sentence was originally: "I am looking for the rake."

It will become:  "I am looking for the brake."

Just one letter changes the whole sentence and makes it unreadable. What is going on and where the hell did this random object come from? is that I always thought when reading this. To me, that's even worse than the fan-translation of HoshiMemo. It was also a bad way for me to start reading VNs as well.

 

If you want a horrible, messed-up translation of a game, you should also play Atelier Escha & Logy on the PS3 (not a VN). That localisation was one of the worst and horrible translation of a JRPG title that I've ever played. It had poor spelling and grammar throughout the whole game, poor translation which led to misunderstood terminology and they had trouble between the conversion of Japanese and English words. It was the worst translation of a game officially translated by a well-known company. That game is like the JRPG version of Hinata Bokko on the PS3.

[Fred the Barber]

11 hours ago, Deep Blue said:

If you are reading vns on steam (not everyone but in general) you obviously don't care about censorship or having a complete vn butchered, you do it to gain likes in your funny reviews, that you probably didnt read in the first place you just left the novel open for a hours so it looks like you did, and look cool to the whole world and friends on steam, and maybe if you are really really lucky a cool page like kotaku, IGN or any great great site will grab your comment and paste it in a super ultra profound article of that novel and then you can read the super ultra profound comments on that article about how visual novels are porn. YAY \/

Is this sarcasm? I honestly can't tell, but it seems like it isn't, so:

- Calling Steam releases of VNs butchery is a melodramatic overstatement in 99% of cases (KonoSora is probably literally the only example of this, and the butchery was completely self-imposed by MoeNovel). Removing pornographic scenes which have no bearing on the story of a heavily story-based game has virtually no impact on the quality or experience of the VN, and certainly doesn't amount to butchery on its own. For a specific example of an altered-but-not-butchered Steam release, I strongly suspect I would have enjoyed the no-H version of G-Senjou more than I'm enjoying the original, where I'm just skipping through the awkward H content.

- I care about censorship, in the sense of suppression of free speech due to objectionable content. I give zero shits about Steam insisting on removing certain classes of pornographic content from games, for two reasons: 1) Just because you have a right to free speech doesn't mean I, as a private citizen, am required to hand over to you my nice shiny megaphone when you want to talk. Similarly, Steam has no requirement to give you a platform for something that it doesn't want you to say. You can say what you want, and you can even find supporters to help you say it, but nobody is obligated to help you. 2) As has been pointed out any number of times, getting around Steam censorship (such as by releasing uncensor patches for Steam games off-site) is completely possible and not even discouraged by Steam. Bottom line, nobody's rights are being trampled on here. If an artist wants to sell their art, and even use Steam as the major purchase and delivery platform for that art, they can; they just have to distribute the porn separately.

If you are actually concerned about suppression of free speech, you've got much, much bigger fish to fry than Steam - certainly in the US, I'm actually worried about, as an example, Free Speech Zones. Playing VNs on Steam does not imply some naïve acceptance of a horrible 1984 reality that we live in. In a lot of the world right now, the US included, things are mostly pretty good for free speech. And while there are surely many problems out there with the suppression of free speech, both in the US and abroad, Steam's insistence on removing certain pornographic content is quite possibly the very smallest.

[Deep Blue]

There are so many ways to answer your comment but I will go with the easy one because I don't want to lose time trying to defend why censorship is a bad thing no matter how small or trivial can seems to be, I consider this a waste of time.

3 hours ago, Fred the Barber said:

I give zero shits about Steam insisting on removing certain classes of pornographic content from games,

This is where you whole argument falls apart, you said it yourself clearly YOU GIVE ZERO SHITS, not me and certainly many other people either, you also misunderstood my point about steam, I joked (I didn't even complain) on how most of the people there no everyone didn't actually read the vns. Even after clarifying that I need to answer your 2 points.

Point 1) has nothing to do with practically anything I said, I didn't ask to steam to start selling uncensored vn or did I? so your whole "I need to lend you a way to share your freedom of speech" is pretty much alien to my post, neither I asked for help because I never claimed or expected anything from steam in the first place.
Point 2) Again, you are making an argument over something I never said nor claimed so what's the point? And just to be clear not all vns/games have patches to uncensored them, you gave me an example of this, g-senjou or if my heart had wings.

[Chuee]

14 hours ago, WinterfuryZX said:

Again, they don't care about nipples,  there's no reason to censor them.

Steam is apparently more harsh towards Japanese games than western ones regarding this. Also, there's the whole loli thing.

14 hours ago, Erogamer said:

Sekai should have never picked this up because they are anti Loi. Say goodbye to an 18+ version. If there is one I am sure Mare content will be removed. And if they take up any other Favorite games it will be a mess as lolis are the main heroine in them.

Is there any reason to believe they are anti-loli? Also I'm pretty sure most of the staff at Favorite are loli fans themselves, so I doubt they'd be okay with singling out Mare's h-content. 

[WinterfuryZX]

22 minutes ago, Chuee said:

Steam is apparently more harsh towards Japanese games than western ones regarding this. Also, there's the whole loli thing.

No that's just japanese devs being overly-sensitive when irt comes to foreign market. When they decide to do console releases in the domestic market they usually have to deal with sony japan that is faaaaaaaar mor strict then steam, after all.

[XReaper]

to me a loli-route missing out on its obligatory loli-sex is a huge fail, same as games featuring kyonyuu heroines who wont get raped at one point, apocalyptic settings that make a heel turn by the end for non turning out utsuge-esque etc etc etc - call me cruel as for i dont care, but a readers expectation based on the unwritten laws of holy hentaism, which gotten refined over the past decades, is by no means something to laugh off easily.
not saying every stereotype is a blessing in itself, but theres a possibility of some or lots beeing left disappointed if the premise isnt met.
in this particular case and since its loli route cant be called a route due to missing out on anything resembling a plotline, the best solution would be to completely cut it off from the maingame so there wont be potential confusion/frustration/blahblah
 

[Erogamer]

55 minutes ago, Chuee said:

Steam is apparently more harsh towards Japanese games than western ones regarding this. Also, there's the whole loli thing.

Is there any reason to believe they are anti-loli? Also I'm pretty sure most of the staff at Favorite are loli fans themselves, so I doubt they'd be okay with singling out Mare's h-content. 

Look what they did to Shiny Days.

[Chuee]

7 minutes ago, Erogamer said:

Look what they did to Shiny Days.

The deal with Shiny Days was that a few of the Kokoro scenes were just flat-out non-consensual, instead of statutory. JAST published Littlewitch which had loli sex scenes, so it's probably just a case of the rape. Mare's sex scenes (and all loli sex scenes in Favorite games for that matter) are consensual, so there shouldn't be any problem. 

[Maxel]

Can't wait for the slogan... Let's make this Lolitopia! Himawari/HoshiMemo

[CeruleanGamer]

Lolicon =/= Pedophile.

When will all the retards realize this?