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2 hours ago, Dreamysyu said:

Sounds like a perfect way for people with self-esteem problems to reinforce these problems imo.

Ah, there's never a one true answer to that because each mind works differently, even though our thinking is rather simple. It's just that there might be some barriers which will actually help them to fix these problems... well, that's not really my problem and like I said, looking deep into human thinking will leave you sad... It's best to focus on things that make you happy. 

Fetishes are fine as long as they don't go into real life. I remember talking to one netorare and monster-sex lover and they were quite unpleasant to speak to. They saw sex in everything.

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14 hours ago, SabakiRe said:

It's mostly a play on ideas...

Just like Ugly Bastards in hentai. Who would like to see, well, an ugly bastard having sex with a cute girl? Obviously, an ugly bastard and only them. xD Usually this doesn't mean that the person who likes that is ugly themselves, it's just they have a poor opinion of themselves or can't deal with being branded a pervert for their liking of hentai. That kind of deal. "I'm a monster, so I'm going to watch those monsters abuse the cute girls".

Same with netorare. I noticed that it has two groups of people who like it: again, those with poor self-liking (they imagine themselves as the one being cucked) or those with some mental problems who want to "punish" their abusers by, of course, "stealing their waifu". Most of porn and sex is based on our psychological needs and looking deep into it is just not fun. Human's mind works pretty simple, especially when it comes to sex and porn. I'd say let them have fun with netorare as long as there's more decent hentai and porn out there and as long as ugly bastards won't fill hentai and JAV like they did in Western porn. 

 

It's also interesting to note that netorare as a thing is not really classified in Western porn. You can see these constant videos and movies with "cheating" and what-not, but it's seen as a part of regular porn while JAV always marks this as "netorare". An interesting fact...

Anyways, like I said, it's best not to think deep about something as momentary as porn. As long as it's not in real life, it's fine. You just need to control the lust.

Isn't it a bit ironic to say "best not to think deep about something as momentary as porn." right after asserting that people who like NTR are either people with no self-respect or individuals with mental problems?

 

Here's an alternate explanation. Why do people like things like ugly bastards or NTR? It's transgressive porn, as is stuff like rape. Like you mentioned, the first two are mostly unheard of in the West, and consequently more difficult to discuss/compare. However, you can look up studies and texts on sex and you'll find out that niches, fetiches and the like very rarely relate in any way to real life. This means that, to use a very common example, a woman finding out she's into rape porn isn't unconsciously wishing for some random stranger to rape her. And a man into NTR/rape isn't a human husk with no self esteem or a monster 1 step away from committing a crime. That's not really how psychology or sex fetiches work.

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2 hours ago, Jun Inoue said:

Isn't it a bit ironic to say "best not to think deep about something as momentary as porn." right after asserting that people who like NTR are either people with no self-respect or individuals with mental problems?

 

Here's an alternate explanation. Why do people like things like ugly bastards or NTR? It's transgressive porn, as is stuff like rape. Like you mentioned, the first two are mostly unheard of in the West, and consequently more difficult to discuss/compare. However, you can look up studies and texts on sex and you'll find out that niches, fetiches and the like very rarely relate in any way to real life. This means that, to use a very common example, a woman finding out she's into rape porn isn't unconsciously wishing for some random stranger to rape her. And a man into NTR/rape isn't a human husk with no self esteem or a monster 1 step away from committing a crime. That's not really how psychology or sex fetiches work.

Well, that's why I said it after "asserting". 

 

They're unheard of? I meant that ugly bastards are not defined as a genre. Most of Western porn, be it full feature or short microwave bits, feature some kind of typical 40-50 year old males who fall into the category of ugly bastards. It's pretty much a rule for Western porn to have a bad looking guy violate a girl. While hentai mostly features shonen-seinen with a percentage of ugly bastards in their respectful category. 

Studies and texts are a joke. Science told people that the Earth was flat some time ago and everyone believe it. Science would laugh at the idea of there being some form of life "out there in the skies" when we don't even know how big the universe is. Even now. Science tells you what has been confirmed... sort of, just like history tells you the things that have been found. Tomorrow they'll find an old set of bones that will change the way history is told. So, yeah... believe in science and "common sense". 

As of "man into NTR/rape isn't into committing a crime, please believe me!!!" - keep those lies to yourself. As I said, human thinking is simple and should not be looked into. You're after the illusion, after all...

 

Will not follow up since you clearly responded to make illusions and avoid seeing the real deal.

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6 hours ago, SabakiRe said:

Or they think they are...

Happiness is a vague feeling and one who never knew the purity and real happiness would, of course, settle down for the illusion of it. Illusions are so simple, after all...

:amane:

 

one of those people, huh?

4 hours ago, Jun Inoue said:

Isn't it a bit ironic to say "best not to think deep about something as momentary as porn." right after asserting that people who like NTR are either people with no self-respect or individuals with mental problems?

 

Here's an alternate explanation. Why do people like things like ugly bastards or NTR? It's transgressive porn, as is stuff like rape. Like you mentioned, the first two are mostly unheard of in the West, and consequently more difficult to discuss/compare. However, you can look up studies and texts on sex and you'll find out that niches, fetiches and the like very rarely relate in any way to real life. This means that, to use a very common example, a woman finding out she's into rape porn isn't unconsciously wishing for some random stranger to rape her. And a man into NTR/rape isn't a human husk with no self esteem or a monster 1 step away from committing a crime. That's not really how psychology or sex fetiches work.

i like this. 

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On 2/28/2019 at 5:09 PM, SabakiRe said:

Studies and texts are a joke. Science told people that the Earth was flat some time ago and everyone believe it. Science would laugh at the idea of there being some form of life "out there in the skies" when we don't even know how big the universe is. Even now. Science tells you what has been confirmed... sort of, just like history tells you the things that have been found. Tomorrow they'll find an old set of bones that will change the way history is told. So, yeah... believe in science and "common sense". 

Unrelated to the topic, but I'm afraid you have a very poor understanding of what science is. Science does not "tell" people anything; it's a process based on experimentation, empiricism, and induction that people interpret. The reason why our understanding of the world keeps changing is because science itself is based on constant reiterations of experiments to get more accurate results. I mean, the human mind is still pretty limited, so the technology and methodology we create won't get all the answers, so we have to check things over and over and push ourselves to experiment more. If we didn't, we wouldn't be as advanced as we are today.

 

Back on topic: As other people have said, the way we perceive porn and sexuality is a lot more nuanced than we realize. It's very deeply ingrained within our psychology, and due to pressure from culture, it gets molded and repressed into numerous forms. Ignoring the sex aspect of it, if you try to simplify what ntr is, it's a power struggle between 3 people: the thief, the one being thieved, and the one being thieved from. Theft is a type of violence, specifically, violence towards someone's property. From this, we can glean two things: ntr can be understood in terms of violence, and the one being thieved is acting as an object.

Humans are predisposed to fascination with violence. Most of our history is based on war, ingroups/outgroups, and competition. We fill fiction with all sorts of violent content. The entire appeal of storytelling relies on overcoming a conflict. It's easy for us to laugh at other people's suffering, and we are more than happy to ostracize and bully those who are weak and estranged. Sexuality is also affected by this (even in other animals): specimens fighting each other for a mate, aggression during copulation, killing or neglecting children sired by another, isolation of sexually deviant specimens, shaming, the list goes on and on. Violence is thrilling to us, so we go out of our way to seek it. With ntr, it's easy to see what role it plays. It's the thrill of seeing something ripped away from where we think it's supposed to be and watching it being ruined and corrupted. These stories often involve rape, mindbreak, torture, depression, and jealousy.

People have a multitude of ways of responding to this. In my experience, only a minority of ntr consumers are actually masochistic. The violence in ntr can also be enjoyed through schadenfreude. People love watching the girl getting destroyed, the cuck fall into despair, and the sheer brutality of partner stealing. From this perspective, it's not weird or deviant at all. It's pretty normal to love seeing others get hurt.

Something that particularly interests me is the fixation on the cuck's depression and jealousy rather than the girl's suffering. I've met a lot of hentai fans that enjoy seeing girls getting hurt in sexual situations to the point where female suffering is practically accepted as normal within hentai circles. I've seen many people praise netori despite it also being based on cheating. I think this reveals a lot about how people perceive the pain of others. Humans are inherently selfish, and we interpret the world according to our own interests. People are projecting and equating themselves onto the cuck and get frustrated when they don't act the way they imagine how they would act. They interpret the fiction according to their own reality, and it in turn reflects the way they perceive the world.

 

wait what the fuck am i even talking about. pretty sure im just rambling at this point, sorry for the long post ._.

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On 1/10/2016 at 9:52 PM, CeruleanGamer said:

Dafuq? Are you guys psychics or something? How did you guys know I'll be here? 

Anyways, CeruleanGamer the NTR Witch has arrived to educate you lovelies the beauty of Netorare.

Not everyone who reads NTR are masochist. I am naturally a hard S when it comes to fetishes and pornography and NTR highly appeals to me because....

For me, the greatest appeal of NTR is the CORRUPTION ASPECT.

Nothing is tastier than seeing a well mannered girl or even a strong willed girl become submissive once she surrenders to lust. It's just lovely to see. Most people have the notion that women are these pure and beautiful creatures who do nothing out of the ordinary, but the NTR genre pushes it out of bounds by mixing the powerful emotion of jealousy and depression to create a setting where your typical woman is now a lot hornier and sex crazed than the male protagonist. It's like an escape in real life because the current social outlook in real life is that men are perverts and are always thinking about sex. In NTR, it's different. You now have the girl who is hornier and is willing to surrender herself and become someone's plaything. 

There is this old saying: "Men want to sleep with the whore but want to marry the Madonna." NTR reverses that and makes the Madonna, the Mary Sue, the Yamato Nadeshiko, the prim and proper wife the whore and the mixture of corruption, exhibitionism, and voyeurism spices it up and doesn't make it as boring as your typical vanilla VN where it's just a meet n fuck, happily ever after setting.

P.S. Thanks to @Nosebleed for summarizing the types of NTR. Glad I didn't have to write a couple more paragraphs for that. 

THE ALMIGHTY ONE HAS SPOKEN!

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Well, of course she loves NTR.. She's a woman herself and cannot empathize with what the NTR as a genre tries to accomplish.  It's like me getting jealous when i see men cheat in relationships. Sure, i don't particularly enjoy it if the main heroine is lovely, but i don't really care too much either way.

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18 minutes ago, Stormwolf said:

Well, of course she loves NTR.. She's a woman herself and cannot empathize with what the NTR as a genre tries to accomplish.  It's like me getting jealous when i see men cheat in relationships. Sure, i don't particularly enjoy it if the main heroine is lovely, but i don't really care too much either way.

Interesting perspective. I'm pretty sure I react similarly to cheating scenarios in all configurations, although yuri is the one I have most experience with. But I also don't isert myself into stories and have no personal experiences that would make any of it particularly relatable, so maybe that's why. 

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On ‎13‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 5:42 PM, Plk_Lesiak said:

Interesting perspective. I'm pretty sure I react similarly to cheating scenarios in all configurations, although yuri is the one I have most experience with. But I also don't isert myself into stories and have no personal experiences that would make any of it particularly relatable, so maybe that's why. 

For me, it's the fact that 90% of those stories are impossible to imagine due to the protagonists either being dumber than a rock or backing themselves into a corner for no reason.

"Oh my god, the gym teacher has a picture of my panties/me and my bf holding hands! Better agree to become his sex slave till graduation or he'll spill the beans."

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18 hours ago, Jun Inoue said:

For me, it's the fact that 90% of those stories are impossible to imagine due to the protagonists either being dumber than a rock or backing themselves into a corner for no reason.

"Oh my god, the gym teacher has a picture of my panties/me and my bf holding hands! Better agree to become his sex slave till graduation or he'll spill the beans."

listen, its normal for a girl to not think that as soon as those pics are uploaded on the web that there would be no repercussions for the guy at all. its normal to think that rape doesnt get taken seriously by the police.

 

i remember reading this one manga that for whatever reason was labeled as ntr. it was about a guy who likes a girl, confessed but got rejected. other guy comes in and makes his move on the girl. later in the story he meets someone else and thinks about asking her out but we find out she's been sleeping with the same guy. not sure why this is ntr considering that hes not together with either of these girls, one of which he was rejected by. this guy doing the ntr isnt with the girl he confesses to when he confesses to either. weird.

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16 hours ago, mitchhamilton said:

listen, its normal for a girl to not think that as soon as those pics are uploaded on the web that there would be no repercussions for the guy at all. its normal to think that rape doesnt get taken seriously by the police.

 

i remember reading this one manga that for whatever reason was labeled as ntr. it was about a guy who likes a girl, confessed but got rejected. other guy comes in and makes his move on the girl. later in the story he meets someone else and thinks about asking her out but we find out she's been sleeping with the same guy. not sure why this is ntr considering that hes not together with either of these girls, one of which he was rejected by. this guy doing the ntr isnt with the girl he confesses to when he confesses to either. weird.

Well, ntr is not so much how the characters relationships are, but what feelings are projected into you as a reader. Guy might not be in a relationship with that girl, but at the same time his life might orbit around this girl, which makes it ntr.

To give 2 examples:

1: Protagonist is in love with childhood friend, childhood friend is also in love with protagonist, but instead ends up in a relationship with someone else because of whatever. That's NTR.

2: Protagonist is in love with childhood friend, and childhood is or is not in love with the protagonist as well but rejects his proposal, childhood friend starts sleeping around with other for most of the story before getting together with protagonist at the end. This is also a NTR story. 

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2 hours ago, Stormwolf said:

Well, ntr is not so much how the characters relationships are, but what feelings are projected into you as a reader. Guy might not be in a relationship with that girl, but at the same time his life might orbit around this girl, which makes it ntr.

To give 2 examples:

1: Protagonist is in love with childhood friend, childhood friend is also in love with protagonist, but instead ends up in a relationship with someone else because of whatever. That's NTR.

2: Protagonist is in love with childhood friend, and childhood is or is not in love with the protagonist as well but rejects his proposal, childhood friend starts sleeping around with other for most of the story before getting together with protagonist at the end. This is also a NTR story. 

those stories i cant sympathize with the mc at all. some stories are just there to be some level of ntr and for faps.

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1 hour ago, mitchhamilton said:

those stories i cant sympathize with the mc at all. some stories are just there to be some level of ntr and for faps.

Ohh my point wasn't that you should sympathize with the mc. They still fall within the NTR genre. We're all different so we all react differently to different scenarios. 

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TL;DR: Fetishes like NTR show what kind of influence SoCiEtY has on humans.

I think NTR is an interesting concept in general, because it is testament of how we as Humans have become comfortable in our safe society. 
Humans are social beings, we can't survive in solitude and we only really work as a species. For us humans the concept of "alpha" or "strongest is the leader" doesn't apply, because by nature every single individual would be capable to kill someone of similar age. No muscles will safe you if 10 weaker guys gang up on you. No alpha personality can stop a bullet or an arrow. Because of this fact, humans depend on the trust that everyone in a community trusts each other and works together. Things like empathy and solidarity are result of this nature, because it makes it easier for us to maintain society.

But the existence of NTR (and many other fetishes) proves that in the past few centuries and decades this human nature has changed fundamentally. We can now safely say, that human society is established to a point where the individual doesn't really need to care about others as much as before. We don't really need empathy to safely survive, so it is declining in the general population. The mindset of "mind your own business" and "i can do what i want, this is my freedom" is spreading very rapidly. Because of this, it is easier to imagine scenarios of absolute despair caused by another human, because it is now more plausible than ever. 
I like to imagine any NTR doujin or VN taking place in a near or distant future, where the decline of empathy has led to society just not giving a f*ck anymore, so there isn't really any consequence to action. This is the only possible explanation I can give to why no NTR'd MC ever took any action except for crying or killing themselves, or why nobody generally cares for the failed MC. All of this becomes pretty reasonable if you realize this dystopian future is the only possible setting for a realistic NTR story. 
And because NTR is dependant on this sinister truth, I don't really approve of it myself. Fetishes like NTR show how there is a growning disconnect between humans and life, a growing laziness. Because we feel so safe in the nations we live in, the human mind flares and reaches out to new concepts it can think about. Over time, these concepts gradually get more obscene so that our mind never runs out of things to fantasize about. The mind also adapts to this growing obscenity to not take a toll on itself, normalizing it on the way. The first time people tried anal sex, it was the craziest shit for them. But soon the next thing was the craziest shit and 'oh so shameful'. The human mind got more and more creative with its sexual fantasies, until it ran out of things that could be practiced in real life. But its creativity never stopped. It thought of new things and adapted again. It sterilized itself.
Today we call it fetishes, and we have accepted them as something normal, something everyone just kinda has. ("What ever gets you hard")
But it is truly interesting to see how this came to be and how it is, technically speaking, something very not normal, something very abnormal in fact. No species, that fantasizes in a sexual way about their co-specimen getting dismembered (gore) or swallowed alive (vore) or betrayed and left behind (Netorare), can be considered "normal" by any measures. The argument, that matters of empathy and the sorts aren't valid here because it is fiction, doesn't work, because the human mind wasn't made to differenciate between fiction and reality, at least in the sense that real human empathy connects with anything that shows even the slightest amount of personality, fictional or real. The fact that people are apparently able to make this distinction is proof that the need for empathy has been almost completely eliminated already, because in a natural environment humans cannot choose whether to emphasize or not.
Luckily, we have not reached the state of absolute apathy yet. There are already humans who only pursue their own interest in a selfish way, but they are oftentimes cowards when it comes to real confrontation. People, who ominously plan the stealing of one's girlfriend and execute the plan perfectly without any emotional vulnerability or wavering, don't exist.
 

Deep down we all are nothing but sore losers trying to keep it a secret.

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15 hours ago, JaJa1604 said:

TL;DR: Fetishes like NTR show what kind of influence SoCiEtY has on humans.

Eeeeeh, in a way, but many fetishes are also very much connected to emotion and rather basic instincs. From what I've heard from NTR fans, it's exactly the fact that they can emphatize with the suffering showed that makes it work. And taboo/extreme porn cannot function without the societal rules it breaks, so it's dubious to see it as a sign of societal decay – it doesn't really contest the norms, just leeches off of them. 

Plus what you described is an extremely idealized vision of humanity's past. Both empathy and egoism are parts of our nature and while one might see today's world as radically individualistic and alienating, it's not like collectivism is without its own costs for people in the group. Empathy won't just die out, just like you can't really make everyone empathetic towards others. That's kind of why you need society/institutions so you don't have to rely on such individual tendencies, which are at least just as much temperamental as they are shaped by your environment.

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1 hour ago, Stormwolf said:

And you say you don't have a brain to mush. Rather interesting how deep this became for something as simple as deeply insecure people getting off on imagining their girlfriends getting railed by other men, and preferring him over her boyfriend.

Oh well, my useless sociology MoA still resurfaces occasionally from the cutesy weeb void. :mare:

You say it's simple, but what's interesting in fetishes is that many of them are really not intuitive. In the My Little Pony fandom I had a friend who was a macrophile and I've discovered the whole giantess fetish and community around it through him. Unlike NTR, it's near-exclusively a male fetish and despite loose connections to masochism and oedipus complex you could write into it, I haven't seen a single good explanation on how it forms (it seems to pop up relatively early on) and why it works the way it does (with very specific fantasies, both violent and sexual). And even things like cuckolding, which I once though of as pretty straightforward phenomenon, show many layers of weird shit if you look into them a bit deeper...

And through this babble I mean, sexual degeneracy is an interesting topic and it's kind of underrated as a field of study. I would be doing something about it if I still cared, but I still think it's a cool topic to talk about, particularly because both the common-sense takes on how it works and the postmodernist bullshit saying it's all about society's influence often barely explain anything. 😛

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42 minutes ago, Stormwolf said:

I view it like i view phobias for the most part. Both phobias and fetishes are generally very irrational, but can also be brought on by some experience in your life. 

Yeah, that's probably a good analogy – basically a natural adaptation/instinct going haywire. That's at least part of the answer, but it amazes me how vague the science around this stuff seems to be. We know so little in practice and it feels that the way the academic discourse is evolving around sexuality and gender only obfuscates things even further... Welp, at least we still have the weeb boards to speculate and shitpost on. '^^

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20 hours ago, JaJa1604 said:

We don't really need empathy to safely survive, so it is declining in the general population.

Strongly dissagree with this, if you look at older societies there is way less of a focus on empathy than today. Slavery, killing off older or sick people if they couldn't provide, forced marriages with females that today are considered very underage and lots of messed up things. Personally I think there is much more of a focus on empathy in todays society due to schooling as well as literature aimed at getting people to empatize with others.

 

24 minutes ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

That's at least part of the answer, but it amazes me how vague the science around this stuff seems to be. We know so little in practice and it feels that the way the academic discourse is evolving around sexuality and gender only obfuscates things even further.

I think one of the problems here is that when it comes to sexuality and gender and stuff like that science like biology is generally ignored if it doesn't adhere to what is considered ethically right. For instance biology supports the idea of gay people being a thing and not abnormal therefor biology can be brought up in that conversation. As for the multigender stuff (the thousands of gender things) I think most biologist would say is utter bullshit as such it is dissmissed as in these cases emotions are considered far more important than actually figuring out the truth and science and evidence can only be used for what is considered socially acceptable.

 

As for NTR itself I find it quite odd, spending time and resources on a woman that gets impregnated by another man will cause the man to have a much lower chance spreading genes to the next generations as such the genes from these men should have died out. 

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28 minutes ago, bakauchuujin said:

Strongly dissagree with this, if you look at older societies there is way less of a focus on empathy than today. Slavery, killing off older or sick people if they couldn't provide, forced marriages with females that today are considered very underage and lots of messed up things. Personally I think there is much more of a focus on empathy in todays society due to schooling as well as literature aimed at getting people to empatize with others.

 

I think one of the problems here is that when it comes to sexuality and gender and stuff like that science like biology is generally ignored if it doesn't adhere to what is considered ethically right. For instance biology supports the idea of gay people being a thing and not abnormal therefor biology can be brought up in that conversation. As for the multigender stuff (the thousands of gender things) I think most biologist would say is utter bullshit as such it is dissmissed as in these cases emotions are considered far more important than actually figuring out the truth and science and evidence can only be used for what is considered socially acceptable.

 

As for NTR itself I find it quite odd, spending time and resources on a woman that gets impregnated by another man will cause the man to have a much lower chance spreading genes to the next generations as such the genes from these men should have died out. 

Doesnt mean they lacked empathy. Values and ethics change with time. In these times you speak of people viewed things very differenty than we do today, and some of those you mention is out necessity. Put anyone to the edge where your family is at stake and you might find yourself doing things you never thought you could in order to save yourself or your family.  In these times you couldn't just go and buy meat, bread or milk with overflowing wallets like we do today. Either way, you view the past with modern eyes without trying to understand why they did what they did during that time. Slavery though, that one i can't understand. And by that i mean why it was accepted by so many people. Underage girls like i mentioned before is a modern concept. During puberty the female could be impregnated and during these times the quicker the better, and usually a son was desired for a variety of reasons. 

And whats natural with homosexuality? This is where modern science and our society becomes problematic. People don't dare asking these questions, and i bet scientists don't dare posting or talking about it as anything but natural in these times.  Just because you find homosexuality in animals doesn't mean it's how it's supposed to be. You can't reproduce and further your species by being homosexual, and with nature and everything having a clear cut purpose, homosexuality has none.  Animals might become gay due to some defect, humans might as well. But naturally you are who you are through no fault of your own and that should be respected.

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41 minutes ago, Stormwolf said:

And whats natural with homosexuality?

That it naturally occurs in animals does mean it is natural, natural does not mean optimal or purpose driven it just means that it is a natural occuring thing not created by some sort of ideology within human society. There is nothing about how things should or shouldn't be it is just how it is. As for why this is I am not sure as I have not bothered looking into any evolutionary explenation for it, but from my understanding the frequenzy at which it is found in nature makes it a natural occuring thing.

 

47 minutes ago, Stormwolf said:

Doesnt mean they lacked empathy. Values and ethics change with time. In these times you speak of people viewed things very differenty than we do today, and some of those you mention is out necessity. Put anyone to the edge where your family is at stake and you might find yourself doing things you never thought you could in order to save yourself or your family.  In these times you couldn't just go and buy meat, bread or milk with overflowing wallets like we do today. Either way, you view the past with modern eyes without trying to understand why they did what they did during that time. Slavery though, that one i can't understand. And by that i mean why it was accepted by so many people. Underage girls like i mentioned before is a modern concept. During puberty the female could be impregnated and during these times the quicker the better, and usually a son was desired for a variety of reasons. 

Haven't said they lacked empathy just that there is more of a focus on it today and yes the reason for that is very likely due to the improvement of living standards which enables us more time and resources to care about these things. I did not intend to say people were generally evil or something like that in the past rather that currently during the current social climate empathy has become much more of an important ideal than it used to be in the past. 

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6 hours ago, Stormwolf said:

Slavery though, that one i can't understand. And by that i mean why it was accepted by so many people.

I don't know about other places, but as far as I understand, the slavery first appeared in Ancient Greece as the way to deal with bankruptcy. People who couldn't pay their debts were sold into temporary slavery, and they had to work for their creditors before they could buy their freedom back. If you think about it, at the first glance it seems like a pretty natural thing to do, but the downside is that as people get used to owning other people, the slavery becomes normal in the society. Later, during Greco-Persian wars, war slaves started appearing, and slavery stopped being considered as temporary thing and became permanent.

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