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Whats the appeal of ntr?


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Just now, Funyarinpa said:

Wut? Can't you just have a NTR story told from the perspective of the person who cucks the other guy? Huh.

Netorare is literally a cuckolding genre. The entire premise is that YOU are getting cucked.

If you're stealing someone's lover, that's called netori, not netorare.

You can not have netorare if you're not being cucked.

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8 minutes ago, Nosebleed said:

But NTR is literally cuckolding. How can you have a non-cuckold protagonist in NTR?

Does not compute.

NTR is not cuckolding. Cuckolding is just a subset of NTR.

1 minute ago, Funyarinpa said:

Wut? Can't you just have a NTR story told from the perspective of the person who cucks the other guy? Huh.

That's Netori. Completely different!

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Just now, Tyrosyn said:

NTR is not cuckolding. Cuckolding is just a subset of NTR.

Except netorare is a cuckolding genre. The word itself means to having something (in this case, someone) stolen from you.

The purpose of it is to evoke a emotions that make you feel like you're losing something to someone else. You aren't the winner in NTR.

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9 minutes ago, Nosebleed said:

Except netorare is a cuckolding genre. The word itself means to having something (in this case, someone) stolen from you.

The purpose of it is to evoke a emotions that make you feel like you're losing something to someone else. You aren't the winner in NTR.

The word netorare just describes that your girlfriend will be stolen from you. How the protagonist deals with this, is not set in stone.
That's conceptually different from what people understand when they hear "cuckolding" which kinda implies some willingness to let this happen.

6 minutes ago, Nosebleed said:

If a girl is the protagonist and she steals someone else's girl, that's still netori.

VNDB thinks that this should be called Reverse-NTR.

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5 minutes ago, Funyarinpa said:

I  meant that  a girl steals a guy from another girl, if it matters

Depends on who is the protagonist, but it's the same thing. If the girl is the protagonist, it'd still be called netori. 

3 minutes ago, Tyrosyn said:

VNDB thinks that this should be called Reverse-NTR.

VNDB has this tendecy of putting "reverse" whenever the genders are switched, but that's literally it. It's still the same old NTR except the girl does the cucking instead.

3 minutes ago, Tyrosyn said:

The word netorare just decribes that your girlfriend will be stolen from you. How the protagonist deals with this, is not set in stone.
That's conceptually different from what people understand when they hear "cuckolding" which kinda implies some willingness to let this happen.

That sounds more like your personal spin on the word cuckolding. Being a cuckold encompasses both willing and unwilling people.

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Old post, but in case anyone is still following this thread or happens across it I have a couple of questions and points in regards to ntr.

 

A lot of the sentiment from ntr lovers seem to focus on the ideas of corruption and the gap between ntr and vanilla.

 

In regards to corruption, I admit that ntr does this well but the concept of corruption doesn't require ntr fundamentally. I have read a lot of hentai mangas that start with a stubborn ojou sam or a tomboy which then transformed into sluts in vanilla style (where they basically wana fuck the shit out of their lovers) or even traditional whore style, becoming cum dumpsters and fucking anything alive. The whole aspect of corruption does not entail ntr. 

 

In regards ntr as a whole, I don't think the actions themselves are too discussing to the general hentai viewer, but the perspective is what really matters. In ntr we are generally seeing things from the perspective of the people who get hurt by ntr, which is the main source of disgust with ntr I think. I mean there are a lot of hentai with corruption themes and even rape themes that are not ntr. Most people focused on aspects of ntr that are not exclusive to ntr. The main aspects of ntr is the feeling of sadness, loss, anger, and extreme jealousy and madness. You, as the person empathising with the MC, see your beloved taken away from you, being used and maybe ending up enjoying another man. Maybe I'm an extremely empathetic person but I feel extreme sadness, jealousy and anger  when I see this happens.

 

Maou no Hajimekata is an extremely interesting manga that explores the other side of ntr. It is not really a hentai manta since it doesn't focus around sex but there are elements of it. You can see in this manga characters being ntred but since it is being done by the MC you don't feel the same as when reading a normal ntr. People who don't like rape at all might not like either perspective of ntr, but others surely will. 

 

In summary the whole hatred towards ntr stems from the fact that the we see tge story from the perspective of the loser. It is like if you had a game like GTA but instead of being the MC who gets to do crazy shit, you are a passerby who gets killed instantly so that the MC can get 10$, or you are the elderly driver that gets pulled of a car that the MC stole. If you rewrite all the ntr stories from the perspective of the winner then people wouldn't be pissed off. People generally don't hate evil MC (look at Death Note), but they hate to be the sissy bitch jerking off outside the door of a room as his lover is getting fucked by two studs.

 

That is my two cents on the topic. 

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most of 

On 1/11/2016 at 2:54 PM, CeruleanGamer said:

See? that's what's wrong. If you connect real life with your porn/hentai/vn, then of course you will get pissed no matter what it is, not just NTR. If you had a horrible experience with some crazy sadistic girlfriend irl, you might avoid yandere/femdom genre altogether, if you saw a brutal murder of someone close, you will most likely avoid guro, if you despise pedophiles and don't want to be associated as one, you will hate lolis, etc. See what I did there? People just point out to NTR more because adultery, unfaithfulness, and rape are frowned upon by almost all cultures.

If you keep real life and your sexual fetishes COMPLETELY SEPARATE, then you will enjoy your desires more, whatever they are. 

 

most of it he/she said has a point ,,, but  is he/she  really that obsess with a ntr i feel pity for him/her

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1 hour ago, mitchhamilton said:

i can handle reading this over ntr. cuckolding is at least consent for everyone involved.

I don't see the difference. They're both fantasy, you know? Coming towards the same goal from two different directions. But I certainly don't know what I'm talking about in regards to NTR.

I think it's a little odd that you'd say "it's not consensual". That's like saying rape hentai isn't consensual, while rape roleplay is. They're both fantasy that serves that same purpose, you know? All real humans involved are 100% consenting in both situations.

 

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3 hours ago, Corrupted said:

I don't see the difference. They're both fantasy, you know? Coming towards the same goal from two different directions. But I certainly don't know what I'm talking about in regards to NTR.

I think it's a little odd that you'd say "it's not consensual". That's like saying rape hentai isn't consensual, while rape roleplay is. They're both fantasy that serves that same purpose, you know? All real humans involved are 100% consenting in both situations.

 

well, i said it is consensual, not not consensual. the scenario with cuckolding is a guy likes sharing his wife, the wife agrees and so does the other person sharing the wife. ntr is more messed up where a guy loves a girl and the girl may love the guy and she is being forced into having sex with someone she doesnt know.

 

i dont watch rape in hentai or like reading it in vns. roleplay is fine because it is just roleplay. people rape roleplay in real life as well.

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