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Whats the appeal of ntr?

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I like to consider myself a very curious person and like to explore new point of views on various subjects. even if in the end my own point of view on the matter doesnt change, i would still like to know none the less.

With that out of the way; Whats the appeal of NTR or Netorare? for those of you who might not know what im talking about, netorare is a genre of hentai that is specifically designed to have the audience root for a couple but is derailed when a third party enters the fray ruins everything and is now the focus of the story. if you wish to see an example of ntr for yourself, i recommend Triangle Blue.

now i know some people only say they like ntr as a way form of shocking someone. an example is a straight man wearing pink. (only example i could come up with at the top of my head) so i would like to ask opinions from people who genuinely likes or even loves ntr and finds it enjoyable.

my point of view is that why like something that only exists to enrage its audience? i get that hentai is the most diverse when it comes to porn. it has almost anything you can think of and never seems to run dry on materiel. its also unique in getting the audience sort of engaged with the characters. haveing this unique trait allows it to take advantage of the audiences emotions, that can either be positive or negative, or when it comes to ntr very, very, very, very, very negative. so again, whats it appeal?

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The appeal is the feeling of jealousy NTR inspires.  The appeal of it could be likened to why people go for nakige.  Good NTR makes you feel trapped, helpless, depressed.  It manipulates your emotions and features unique sexual situations.  It provides a striking contrast to vanilla moe, and that makes it interesting, especially when the elements are combined together in one work.

The best NTR is the type where the NTR is a bad end of sorts, or where the NTR is unavoidable but you can still get a 'good end'.  School Days is a good example of effective use of NTR, since Makoto is forced to choose between pursuing both girls at once or getting one of them NTR'd.  The threat of NTR creates dramatic tension that enhances the storyline and forces the player to make tough choices.

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5 minutes ago, sanahtlig said:

The appeal is the feeling of jealousy NTR inspires.  The appeal of it could be likened to why people go for nakige.  Good NTR makes you feel trapped, helpless, depressed.  It manipulates your emotions and features unique sexual situations.  It provides a striking contrast to vanilla moe, and that makes it interesting, especially when the elements are combined together in one work.

...........so its for masochists? that would make sense, but im guessing theres more to it than that. it certainly is an interesting contrast to vanilla but so is the contrast between hitler and jesus.

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There are 3 types of NTR (in no particular order of importance):

First is the one where the girl is forcibly taken from the guy and raped and everything after is done against her will, often in front of the protagonist.

Second you have the type of NTR where the girl is initially forcibly taken away and raped but ends up wanting more after the act.

Lastly you have the type of NTR where the girl is willingly cheating on her loved one and consents to being taken from him. 

Ultimately i think NTR provides you with a helpless feel that some people really enjoy. I particularly enjoy the second type of NTR I mentioned, especially with traps, where they're taken away and raped but then end up loving it in the end, this usually provides some awesome expressions that i can never get enough of.

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To me, Netorare is something right out from a nukige. Where the protagonist is the one who's like 'steals your waifu away and do stuff to her that she doesn't want to' (Yeah, what about my signature). It really is unpleasant to me and I usually delete all of those unpleasant Netorare stuff (Sorry to those Netorare fans).

And yes, I think Netorare is to masochists. Well, everyone has their own viewpoints on Netorare, and I'm merely stating out mine.

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6 minutes ago, mitchhamilton said:

...........so its for masochists?

1 minute ago, ヤミハナ said:

And yes, I think Netorare is to masochists.

I wouldn't say that is the case. NTR can be even for those who are not masochists, and not every masochists tend to like NTR.

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29 minutes ago, Palas said:

CeruleanGamer

Dafuq? Are you guys psychics or something? How did you guys know I'll be here? 

Anyways, CeruleanGamer the NTR Witch has arrived to educate you lovelies the beauty of Netorare.

Not everyone who reads NTR are masochist. I am naturally a hard S when it comes to fetishes and pornography and NTR highly appeals to me because....

For me, the greatest appeal of NTR is the CORRUPTION ASPECT.

Nothing is tastier than seeing a well mannered girl or even a strong willed girl become submissive once she surrenders to lust. It's just lovely to see. Most people have the notion that women are these pure and beautiful creatures who do nothing out of the ordinary, but the NTR genre pushes it out of bounds by mixing the powerful emotion of jealousy and depression to create a setting where your typical woman is now a lot hornier and sex crazed than the male protagonist. It's like an escape in real life because the current social outlook in real life is that men are perverts and are always thinking about sex. In NTR, it's different. You now have the girl who is hornier and is willing to surrender herself and become someone's plaything. 

There is this old saying: "Men want to sleep with the whore but want to marry the Madonna." NTR reverses that and makes the Madonna, the Mary Sue, the Yamato Nadeshiko, the prim and proper wife the whore and the mixture of corruption, exhibitionism, and voyeurism spices it up and doesn't make it as boring as your typical vanilla VN where it's just a meet n fuck, happily ever after setting.

P.S. Thanks to @Nosebleed for summarizing the types of NTR. Glad I didn't have to write a couple more paragraphs for that. 

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As quite the masochist myself, I would say NTR isn't particularly aimed at masochists, because the goal is to make you feel jealous and helpless, not submissive.

As CerulianGamer mentioned, one of the key aspects in play is often corruption, which is also what I enjoy from NTR (but for males not females), it's just interesting seeing sweet people completely break down and end up in a state where all they can do is beg for more. The other two types of NTR aren't as interesting since they fall more on the pure rape spectrum or the cheating spectrum, but that type of NTR that transforms the person being raped, that's the best.

Being a masochist, though, I often picture myself in the place of the person being forcefully taken when I read ntr, which I don't think is the intent of the work, but I don't care. :makina:

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hmm. how bizarre. not to anyone who enjoys it but to people who enjoy the helpless feeling it provides. again not saying youre bizarre. im no masochists but i always thought that masochism is a form of trust that runs deep. a side that is only shown to a certain partner.

 

also ヤミハナ i thought you location said "Living with your waifu" for a second.

1 minute ago, CeruleanGamer said:

Dafuq? Are you guys psychics or something? How did you guys know I'll be here? 

Anyways, CeruleanGamer the NTR Witch has arrived to educate you lovelies the beauty of Netorare.

Not everyone who reads NTR are masochist. I am naturally a hard S when it comes to fetishes and pornography and NTR highly appeals to me because....

For me, the greatest appeal of NTR is the CORRUPTION ASPECT.

Nothing is tastier than seeing a well mannered girl or even a strong willed girl become submissive once she surrenders to lust. It's just lovely to see. Most people have the notion that women are these pure and beautiful creatures who do nothing out of the ordinary, but the NTR genre pushes it out of bounds by mixing the powerful emotion of jealousy and depression to create a setting where your typical woman is now a lot hornier and sex crazed than the male protagonist. It's like an escape in real life because the current social outlook in real life is that men are perverts and are always thinking about sex. In NTR, it's different. You now have the girl who is hornier and is willing to surrender herself and become someone's plaything. 

There is this old saying: "Men want to sleep with the whore but want to marry the Madonna." NTR reverses that and makes the Madonna, the Mary Sue, the Yamato Nadeshiko, the prim and proper wife the whore and the mixture of corruption, exhibitionism, and voyeurism spices it up and doesn't make it as boring as your typical vanilla VN where it's just a booring meet n fuck, happily ever after setting.

 

but there are other genres where you can see a woman getting corrupted without the process of it having a negative affect to a special partner. (it almost sounds like im saying "its ok that woman get mind break so long as no one else gets hurt.") i just dont get having a build up of two characters than a third party shows up to ruin it. even if the audience is aware that she does enjoy it in the end, its hard to get rid of that horrible feeling.

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32 minutes ago, mitchhamilton said:

but there are other genres where you can see a woman getting corrupted without the process of it having a negative affect to a special partner. (it almost sounds like im saying "its ok that woman get mind break so long as no one else gets hurt.") i just dont get having a build up of two characters than a third party shows up to ruin it. even if the audience is aware that she does enjoy it in the end, its hard to get rid of that horrible feeling.

Nothing is black and white in sex and fetishes. That's the beauty of NTR, it breaks cliches and predictable story and it presents plot twists. Happily ever after is good, but I already see full of that trash in real life and Hollywood movies. There's no way I'm gonna overload myself with that on my pornography, fetishes, and visual novels. I want something more.... satisfying.... much more unique and different and cuckold/rape which NTR borrows these concepts is the ultimate satisfaction for my hunger. 

Also most people get mad with NTR primarily when they subconsciously put themselves on the protagonist's shoes (the one being NTR'ed) and rape/adultery goes against their morals and principles. IMO, this is a stupid way to watch/read NTR if you are doing it for the first time. I guess you can do that if you have a cuckold fetish or a masochist who enjoys helpless situation scenarios but if you watch NTR and just observe the heroine and the sexual encounters and completely ignore the protagonist or the one being cuckolded, then it's not so bad. Sometimes, I even put myself on the woman/heroine's shoes just to experience the thrill of being unfaithful and sometimes getting away with it. :holo: 

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4 minutes ago, CeruleanGamer said:

Nothing is black and white in sex and fetishes. That's the beauty of NTR, it breaks cliches and predictable story and it presents plot twists. Happily ever after is good, but I already see full of that trash in real life and Hollywood movies. There's no way I'm gonna overload myself with that on my pornography, fetishes, and visual novels. I want something more.... satisfying.... much more unique and different and cuckold/rape which NTR borrows these concepts is the ultimate satisfaction for my hunger. 

Also people get mad in NTR primarily because they subconsciously put themselves on the protagonist's shoes (the one being NTR'ed). IMO, this is a stupid way to watch/read NTR if you are doing it for the first time. I guess you can do that if you have a cuckold fetish or a masochist who enjoys helpless situation scenarios but if you watch NTR and just observe the heroine and completely ignore the protagonist or the one being cuckolded, then it's not so bad. Sometimes, I even put myself on the woman/heroine's shoes just to experience the thrill of being unfaithful and sometimes getting away with it. :holo: 

i can kind of see the appeal in the second part. but again its hard not to be empathetic to the couple or the guy when its built up that way. i dont see it as "That dick stole my girl" but more "I was really hoping it would work out between the two." i get breaking the norm of "And they lived happily ever after. fowevew and evew" but at least have something more interesting than "he raped her till she was submissive to him."

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Some people take pleasure from their more negative emotions.  For instance, I gain pleasure from sorrow and intense despair, which is why I enjoy utsuge and nakige, but I also gain pleasure from the release of that sorrow and despair (the more intense the former is, the better the release is...).  Generally speaking, if I can find a good utsuge and play it into the ground, the release from it will keep me psychologically stable for months. 

NTR is all about jealousy.  In my case, jealousy isn't an emotion I enjoy, whether in release or in experience.  However, I've known people who can't get enough of it.

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9 minutes ago, mitchhamilton said:

i can kind of see the appeal in the second part. but again its hard not to be empathetic to the couple or the guy when its built up that way. i dont see it as "That dick stole my girl" but more "I was really hoping it would work out between the two." i get breaking the norm of "And they lived happily ever after. fowevew and evew" but at least have something more interesting than "he raped her till she was submissive to him."

It's NTR. The writer/director/devs created the story NOT FOR THE COUPLES TO WORK OUT ANYTHING. It's to satisfy people's cuckold/jealousy fetish. The sooner you realize it the better. Read the tags/genres of any vn/hentai you read/watch before you start them. If you see the words: Netorare, you know it could only end up in 2 ways: girl becomes the whore of some third party, or the protag manages to get his girl back with the former occurring about 99% of the time. 

The way you question NTR not having the couple work things out is almost as ridiculous as questioning why did Darth Vader had to be Luke Skywalker's father? Well, it just happened to be because.... story. Same with NTR. 

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7 minutes ago, CeruleanGamer said:

Nothing is black and white in sex and fetishes. That's the beauty of NTR, it breaks cliches and predictable story and it presents plot twists. Happily ever after is good, but I already see full of that trash in real life and Hollywood movies. There's no way I'm gonna overload myself with that on my pornography, fetishes, and visual novels. I want something more.... satisfying.... much more unique and different and cuckold/rape which NTR borrows these concepts is the ultimate satisfaction for my hunger. 

Also most people get mad with NTR primarily when they subconsciously put themselves on the protagonist's shoes (the one being NTR'ed) and rape/adultery goes against their morals and principles. IMO, this is a stupid way to watch/read NTR if you are doing it for the first time. I guess you can do that if you have a cuckold fetish or a masochist who enjoys helpless situation scenarios but if you watch NTR and just observe the heroine and the sexual encounters and completely ignore the protagonist or the one being cuckolded, then it's not so bad. Sometimes, I even put myself on the woman/heroine's shoes just to experience the thrill of being unfaithful and sometimes getting away with it. :holo: 

On defense of the ones who can't watch/read NTR with putting themselves in the protagonist's shoes, it's hard to ignore the guy being betrayed if you ever had the misfortune of experiencing unfaithfulness. I used to enjoy both the "fuck the girl 'til she's submissive and wants more" and the "girl willingly cheating on the boy", then my girlfriend cheated on me and I've never really been able to truly enjoy any of that again.

I believe the enjoyment comes mostly from the jealously aspect and maybe the corruption, it depends on your tastes.

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Isn't it possible to enjoy it by identifying with the one who corrupts the girl or with the girl herself? I mean, when the "protagonist" just loses his girlfriend or wife and that's it, it's because he's away or never really does anything or is the sort of supposedly nice guy who smothers his girlfriend and doesn't respect her sexuality/identity/independence. How can you put yourself in the shoes of someone who doesn't move? So in this context NTR could be a story of sexual liberation (as opposed to corruption) for the girl and of giving the middle finger to strict, unfair and sexist societal norms.

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10 minutes ago, Rose said:

On defense of the ones who can't watch/read NTR with putting themselves in the protagonist's shoes, it's hard to ignore the guy being betrayed if you ever had the misfortune of experiencing unfaithfulness. I used to enjoy both the "fuck the girl 'til she's submissive and wants more" and the "girl willingly cheating on the boy", then my girlfriend cheated on me and I've never really been able to truly enjoy any of that again.

I believe the enjoyment comes mostly from the jealously aspect and maybe the corruption, it depends on your tastes.

See? that's what's wrong. If you connect real life with your porn/hentai/vn, then of course you will get pissed no matter what it is, not just NTR. If you had a horrible experience with some crazy sadistic girlfriend irl, you might avoid yandere/femdom genre altogether, if you saw a brutal murder of someone close, you will most likely avoid guro, if you despise pedophiles and don't want to be associated as one, you will hate lolis, etc. See what I did there? People just point out to NTR more because adultery, unfaithfulness, and rape are frowned upon by almost all cultures.

If you keep real life and your sexual fetishes COMPLETELY SEPARATE, then you will enjoy your desires more, whatever they are. 

 

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sometimes is hard to understand why something is appealing to another person even if they explain it in full detail. 
I enjoy utsuge because it makes me feel alive when I read it, reading something that emotionally destroys me (the more sad and realistic it is the better) and recovering from that is what I like, something like a roller-coaster. it sounds weird for you probably but is like trying to explain why do you like certain food, you can describe it to some extent but why do you actually like that, why does your brain enjoys eating something in particular that's only something that you know and understand and nobody else will. Also remember that this is just pure fiction dont try to over-analyze it. 

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1 minute ago, ヤミハナ said:

:makina:.....do you really want me to steal your waifu, now?

first youll have to find out who it is. HAHA!!

 

i guess its a genre thatll never be for me. i dont feel the need to read or watch anything ntr anymore than i did before i started this thread. but i understand why others read it. (i guess?) so thats something. (i guess?)

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