Narcissu 10th Anniversary Anthology Project

[Decay]

 they bring it alright but they only got the known English side, not anything worthy like:

Sukimazakura to Uso no Machi - https://vndb.org/v5871

Hikari no Valusia ~What a Beautiful Hopes~ https://vndb.org/v2390

Kara no Shoujo 3 - https://vndb.org/v17012

they only want money not the audience.

This is an extremely subjective post. Many people would consider titles like Tenshin Ranman and Root Double worthy. If you want those games you listed to be localized, bug MangaGamer. They have partnerships with all three developers.

[Deep Blue]

 

 Apparently this makes them a villain? 

A lot of the hatred directed at Sekai stems from a distaste of Dovac himself. And that applies double for 4chan communities. The attempts to ratiionalise their hatred for the entire company tends to be a little weak, though.

 it seems to me that as backers we should know about this issues "dear backers we are having legal issues with this project, right now things are out of our hands, we will keep you informed" <---that's extremely hard to do, right?after almost 8 month of delay that few lines are just too hard to write.
 

No thanks, that just starts speculation, and because of the nature of the internet most of the speculation will be stupid and over the top. They'll let you know when they are allowed to let you know. 6 months delay isn't a very long time, and to be frank expecting things to be released on time reveals an ignorance of game production cycles (outside of games rushed out the door by AAA publishers) and an ignorance of Kickstarter itself (especially kickstarters run by the inexperienced.) Are there things to be disappointed over? Probably? Are there things to be abusive over? No, that's just the standard internet idiocy running wild again. I've just ducked in from the RPG community where an amazing game was just released 5 years late, to see... what complaints now?

People really need a little bit more tolerance and patience.

Just as you (and many other users) can blindly and willingly ignore and defend every single fact about what a company is doing wrong I can point it out and be against it, if you like to be treated poorly is up to you, you can defend them i can complain  : ) you call it tolerance and patience I call it being submissive (to say the least)
I backed many rpgs one of them (torment) has been delayed for over 2 years now and I don't have any problem with it  

Edited October 27, 2015 by Deep Blue

[Darklord Rooke]

 they bring it alright but they only got the known English side, not anything worthy like:

Sukimazakura to Uso no Machi - https://vndb.org/v5871

Hikari no Valusia ~What a Beautiful Hopes~ https://vndb.org/v2390

Kara no Shoujo 3 - https://vndb.org/v17012

they only want money not the audience.

'Worthy' is subjective. They're bringing the two sequels of Grisaia, they've brought an excellent story by the creator of Spice and Wolf. They bring a lot of OELVNs, but MG bring a lot of nukige, so ...

 Just as you (and many other users) can blindly and willingly ignore and defend every single fact about what a company is doing wrong I can point it out and be against it, if you like to be treated poorly is up to you, you can defend them i can complain  : )
I backed many rpgs one of them (torment) has been delayed for over 2 years now and I don't have any problem with it  

We're not blindly ignoring anything, we're just calling for a bit of perspective on the matter. The blind hatred Sekai generates tends to be incredibly over-the-top, and I suspect it has a lot to do with Dovac.

Torment is going to be freaking awesome :3 MWAHAHAHAHAHA 

[XReaper]

the derail aside, i find the idea of outsourcing based on trust only non acceptable, when a good amount of money is involved, especially if your companies good reputation is at stake by failing to deliver, or keeping up with schedules promised to the backers. but thats only my little opinion, which can be safely disregarded...

[Deep Blue]

 they bring it alright but they only got the known English side, not anything worthy like:

Sukimazakura to Uso no Machi - https://vndb.org/v5871

Hikari no Valusia ~What a Beautiful Hopes~ https://vndb.org/v2390

Kara no Shoujo 3 - https://vndb.org/v17012

they only want money not the audience.

'Worthy' is subjective. They're bringing the two sequels of Grisaia, they've brought an excellent story by the creator of Spice and Wolf. They bring a lot of OELVNs, but MG bring a lot of nukige, so ...

 Just as you (and many other users) can blindly and willingly ignore and defend every single fact about what a company is doing wrong I can point it out and be against it, if you like to be treated poorly is up to you, you can defend them i can complain  : )
I backed many rpgs one of them (torment) has been delayed for over 2 years now and I don't have any problem with it  

We're not blindly ignoring anything, we're just calling for a bit of perspective on the matter. The blind hatred Sekai generates tends to be incredibly over-the-top, and I suspect it has a lot to do with Dovac.

Torment is going to be freaking awesome :3 MWAHAHAHAHAHA 

I don't even know who Dovac is O.o

Yes it will, the long wait will pay off.

Edited October 27, 2015 by Deep Blue

[firecat]

 they bring it alright but they only got the known English side, not anything worthy like:

Sukimazakura to Uso no Machi - https://vndb.org/v5871

Hikari no Valusia ~What a Beautiful Hopes~ https://vndb.org/v2390

Kara no Shoujo 3 - https://vndb.org/v17012

they only want money not the audience.

This is an extremely subjective post. Many people would consider titles like Tenshin Ranman and Root Double worthy. If you want those games you listed to be localized, bug MangaGamer. They have partnerships with all three developers.

MangaGamer has the right idea, they translate the vn and sell it. what sakura project is doing is making people pay for unwanted stuff, risk the vn of possibly never getting a translation, and get some random English writer that might fail to translate.

[solidbatman]

 they bring it alright but they only got the known English side, not anything worthy like:

Sukimazakura to Uso no Machi - https://vndb.org/v5871

Hikari no Valusia ~What a Beautiful Hopes~ https://vndb.org/v2390

Kara no Shoujo 3 - https://vndb.org/v17012

they only want money not the audience.

This is an extremely subjective post. Many people would consider titles like Tenshin Ranman and Root Double worthy. If you want those games you listed to be localized, bug MangaGamer. They have partnerships with all three developers.

MangaGamer has the right idea, they translate the vn and sell it. what sakura project is doing is making people pay for unwanted stuff, risk the vn of possibly never getting a translation, and get some random English writer that might fail to translate.

What the fuck are you going on about

[Decay]

MangaGamer has the right idea, they translate the vn and sell it. what sakura project is doing is making people pay for unwanted stuff, risk the vn of possibly never getting a translation, and get some random English writer that might fail to translate.

MangaGamer hires from the same pool of translators that Sekai Project does. Sekai Project also doesn't force anyone to pay for anything they don't want to. People know exactly what they're getting up front with these kinds of translation kickstarters. And they choose whether or not they want to buy in of their own free will. The VN is only at risk of not getting a translation if they don't get enough money. But if this happens, Kickstarter works on an all-or-nothing basis, where SP will get no one's money if the project doesn't reach its goal. So really, I have no idea where you're coming from here. You sound heavily misinformed.

[Darklord Rooke]

 

 I don't even know who Dovac is O.o

Dovac is the source of much angst in the VN community, and the boss of Sekai. He's known for saying stuff like 'we're not interested in the serious VN fans,' and other silly stuff about trolling, which has caused much hate and whining within the fanbase and in places like 4chan (they're always bitching about Dovac over there.) His controversial comments mean he regularly has to switch his twitter to private, and delete various accounts (like his reddit one.) A lot of the hatred of Dovac tends to spill over in people's attitude towards SP, so they get less slack then they would have originally. People only really have 2 complaints about them - their over use of Kickstarter, and some delays, but they cop a lot of hate for it. 

what sakura project is doing is making people pay for unwanted stuff

Cause I know MG aren't doing that to me with bloody Haruka Beat Blades (not bitter about Rance at all )

[VirginSmasher]

I haven't played the original Narcissu or its sequel but the series looks really interesting. I would back it if I had any money to spare.

[InvertMouse]

Aw man, I guess this whole kickstarter thing is a pretty tough topic at the moment . I have never managed any project that involves this amount of money, so I feel uncomfortable calling things either way. A few months back, I made a post sharing my photos from my 2011 Narcissu trip with a Japanese friend. Narcissu is a really important game to me, and if there is an opportunity to get something physical in my collection, I am just excited by the idea of that .

[Dark_blade64]

A bad timing to start the kickstarter when most vn backers are currently broke after backing up muv luv.

[firecat]

 

 

 What the fuck are you going on about

MangaGamer has the right idea, they translate the vn and sell it. what sakura project is doing is making people pay for unwanted stuff, risk the vn of possibly never getting a translation, and get some random English writer that might fail to translate.

MangaGamer hires from the same pool of translators that Sekai Project does. Sekai Project also doesn't force anyone to pay for anything they don't want to. People know exactly what they're getting up front with these kinds of translation kickstarters. And they choose whether or not they want to buy in of their own free will. The VN is only at risk of not getting a translation if they don't get enough money. But if this happens, Kickstarter works on an all-or-nothing basis, where SP will get no one's money if the project doesn't reach its goal. So really, I have no idea where you're coming from here. You sound heavily misinformed.

these are the titles they release which are very well known in jp: http://blog.mangagamer.org/category/releases/

Sekai Project: none because its only in the English side popularly.

and where did you find that info, i dont see anything about them talking about it. all i found was the translaters who are working on the projects that MangaGamer is doing http://blog.mangagamer.org/about/ 

[Decay]

these are the titles they release which are very well known in jp: http://blog.mangagamer.org/category/releases/

Sekai Project: none because its only in the English side popularly.

and where did you find that info, i dont see anything about them talking about it. all i found was the translaters who are working on the projects that MangaGamer is doing http://blog.mangagamer.org/about/ 

Many of those titles on MangaGamer's site are NOT well known in japan. In fact, very few are. MangaGamer licenses a lot of obscure and unpopular titles  (Harukoi Otome, for example) and plenty of nukige. SP is kind of in the same boat, they localize a lot of obscure doujin stuff no one has ever heard of. But they also have licensed a number of titles that are very well known and popular, even in Japan, such as the Grisaia series and Clannad. And they have also partnered with Akabei Soft, Yuzusoft, and other well known eroge developers. I don't think SP has any centralized source of information for all of their projects, but you can look at their VNDB page to see what kind of stuff they're bringing over. You may find plenty of "worthy" VNs there: https://vndb.org/p162

[Dark_blade64]

Well as long they're bringing them and comes out I'm not complaining.

[CeruleanGamer]

Aw man, I guess this whole kickstarter thing is a pretty tough topic at the moment . I have never managed any project that involves this amount of money, so I feel uncomfortable calling things either way. A few months back, I made a post sharing my photos from my 2011 Narcissu trip with a Japanese friend. Narcissu is a really important game to me, and if there is an opportunity to get something physical in my collection, I am just excited by the idea of that .

Narcissu is a decent VN but this whole timing of this kickstarter and the current salt with Sekai Project are what make this whole situation more troublesome than it is. They'll make the target goal for sure, but take note of what they said on the risks and challenges part of this kickstarter campaign that there might be delays.

Reputation take years to build but a second to destroy with one major fuck up and I doubt SP could afford another one like they did with WAS.

Edited October 27, 2015 by CeruleanGamer

[Chuee]

MangaGamer has the right idea, they translate the vn and sell it. what sakura project is doing is making people pay for unwanted stuff, risk the vn of possibly never getting a translation, and get some random English writer that might fail to translate.

MangaGamer hires from the same pool of translators that Sekai Project does. Sekai Project also doesn't force anyone to pay for anything they don't want to. People know exactly what they're getting up front with these kinds of translation kickstarters. 

Mangamer mostly sticks with the people they have on board, while it seems Sekai Project goes for quantity. Though it's worth noting that a lot of the top notch translators in the scene are with Mangagamer and JAST, which is why their translations come out noticeably better than almost anything translated by SP. 

Also regarding Kickstarters, it's pretty silly to use the argument that they know what they're getting into. Since Kickstarter is basically a really in-advanced pre-order system, a lot of details aren't specific, or set on stone, or people simply never think about them. For example, people didn't even know Clannad was supposedly going to have a DRM system until just a few months back. Some people were even thinking about dropping their pledges solely because of that, meaning they never really thought about that back during the initial campaign. 

 

[VirginSmasher]

these are the titles they release which are very well known in jp: http://blog.mangagamer.org/category/releases/

Sekai Project: none because its only in the English side popularly.

and where did you find that info, i dont see anything about them talking about it. all i found was the translaters who are working on the projects that MangaGamer is doing http://blog.mangagamer.org/about/ 

Many of those titles on MangaGamer's site are NOT well known in japan. In fact, very few are. MangaGamer licenses a lot of obscure and unpopular titles  (Harukoi Otome, for example) and plenty of nukige. SP is kind of in the same boat, they localize a lot of obscure doujin stuff no one has ever heard of. But they also have licensed a number of titles that are very well known and popular, even in Japan, such as the Grisaia series and Clannad. And they have also partnered with Akabei Soft, Yuzusoft, and other well known eroge developers. I don't think SP has any centralized source of information for all of their projects, but you can look at their VNDB page to see what kind of stuff they're bringing over. You may find plenty of "worthy" VNs there: https://vndb.org/p162

As long as I get Clannad, the other 2 Grisaia games, and G Senjou no Maou localized, I'm good with what they do.

[Deep Blue]

Aw man, I guess this whole kickstarter thing is a pretty tough topic at the moment . I have never managed any project that involves this amount of money, so I feel uncomfortable calling things either way. A few months back, I made a post sharing my photos from my 2011 Narcissu trip with a Japanese friend. Narcissu is a really important game to me, and if there is an opportunity to get something physical in my collection, I am just excited by the idea of that .

Narcissu is a decent VN but this whole timing of this kickstarter and the current salt with Sekai Project are what make this whole situation more troublesome than it is. They'll make the target goal for sure, but take note of what they said on the risks and challenges part of this kickstarter campaign that there might be delays.

Reputation take years to build but a second to destroy with one major fuck up and I doubt SP could afford another one like they did with WAS.

I don't think so, conformism is strong within ks backers or so it seems, I only saw 2 people complaining besides me from hundreds of backers, I saw them posting literally nothing and within a few seconds their updates had many likes, is almost as if they don't actually read what they are "liking" ... go figure. Also who cares about WAS, after all is just a little doujin vn .

[Soulless Watcher]

A bad timing to start the kickstarter when most vn backers are currently broke after backing up muv luv.

Seriously, whose bright idea was it to launch a kickstarter during the last week of MuvLuvs'? I have never read Narcissu, but I've heard some great things about it and want to support it..... however, all of my money is currently helping localize one of the greatest visual novel trilogies of all time. Sekai, I know you are upset after your first failed kickstarter, but that is no reason to go hysterical on us.

Edited October 27, 2015 by Soulless Watcher

[kingdomcome]

Well I'm backing this.. Haven't played it yet and it seems like something I will like.

[kyrt]

The Narcissu project seems interesting but this is one kickstarter I won't be helping with especially after the muv-luv kickstarter; it's bad timing and since the game was free previously and I liked how it ended I see no real reason to back it. Lack of funds has a big reason for not supporting this one...the muv-luv kickstarter is taking most of my money.

I'll be blunt but I'm also not going to kickstart anything new by Sekai Project until I receive what I've actually backed from them. I am still not a fan of the constant announcing of titles only to later announce a kickstarter to actually make said titles happen. I'm all for this game but until I see the quality Sekai Project is capable of bringing I'm going to hold off on kickstarting anything new. I was not a fan of what they pulled with the Michiru Mahou Shoujo spin-off (admittedly more Frontwing's fault), am a tad annoyed by the Grisaia kickstarter (these are minor issues of a failure to communicate), am surprised by all the problems with WAS, and so far Clannad may be the only thing I've backed from kickstarter that actually ends up not annoying me. The whole lack of marketing and a piss poor website for denpasoft (and to an extent sekai project's main page) are all reasons I'm just a little cautious when dealing with them. 

My opinion is not based purely on hate for hate's sake as I have had issues with them and believe it is well within my right to refuse backing a kickstarter until they actually prove they handle a big kickstarter to the end. G-Senjou no Maou or Clannad (whichever comes first) will be my basis for future interactions with the company and the handling of the kickstarters I myself have backed will determine whether I give any of their other kickstarters a chance. Sure things can happen to cause delays or change things from initial impressions but this just means I need to be more critical of Sekai Project's handling of these licenses as well as view with a critical eye the actual companies in charge of the games. I'm not saying I'm against Sekai Project (I actually really appreciate all the titles they are managing to bring over) I just want to see what they are capable of (big project wise) before I take a risk with kickstarting again.

 

[douggle]

No, just no, I would love to support this but sekai project you can go to hell, it really really saddens me to not support this ): 

Explain

 

Can we not purposefully try and start these discussions? 

Whenever anything related to Sekai goes up, the same couple of people always go, "Fuck Sekai" which is rather silly as Sekai Project, despite some faults, is doing good work bringing stuff over officially. 

No, just no, I would love to support this but sekai project you can go to hell, it really really saddens me to not support this ): 

Explain

 

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sekaiproject/bring-was-the-hourglass-of-lepidoptera-to-the-west

At $30,000, voices (event and scene replay only) will be unlocked and Limited quantity of Shikishi (autographs) from Seiyuu will be available. 

At $46,000, full voices unlocked, we will be able to do additional recording on character voices (expect for the protagonist) to make the game fully voiced! Shikishi signed by Seiyuu and personalized with backers names will be available. <-------------- we made 59.740 $

 

WAS –The Hourglass release date: april 2015

april 6 update 

"Hi Backers,

Production of WAS has slipped a little and we'll need some extra time. We expect the release to be delayed and will have an updated timeframe as soon as possible" This update was for everyone to see.

may 15

"There's still some scheduling issues on getting all the voice work done so this alpha release will still be voiceless like the earlier demo." still this update was public also just a little delay is ok, i'm fine with that.

- Between may and September they added partial voices and removed it later on without telling anyone, they were claiming this was the full voiced patch (the original ver of the game already have the 30k goal)

Sep 15

"Hello backers,

Sorry for the very long period for no news about WAS. We're happy to report that a new patch for the game is currently being uploaded to Steam, once uploaded Steam should update the game with full voice support. We'll be double checking for any missing lines and move towards an actual release." this one is not public anymore...  .

This patch was a mess, it was a very old alpha version mostly in japanese...

October 6, yes almost a month later!

"Hello Backers,

The previous update should not have been posted and the update was reverted on Steam.

The information received regarding the status of voices was not double checked by another staff member before it was uploaded as an alpha build.

We will have another update in the future with status of release and when some physical items will be shipping."

This update is also private, they "found out" about their mistake almost a month later, ignoring every comment also they deleted a post on steam forums. 

This was their response to my complain oct 6: 

"All production work was managed by the circle initially. After September of this year we've taken over. More details will be provided once we've gotten the OK from legal."<--- still not news about anything and the game is in alpha without full voices (they are not answering about this topic)

This is only one of my complains with sekai project.

 

 

 

Its almost like they don't have complete control over things they didn't create or have complete rights to... 

I'd be alot less critical of Sekai Project if this wasn't their 9th vn ks in like the span of a year.

[KuroganeHomura]

Somehow the campaign's moving a bit slower than I expected. Almost feel compelled to actually drop some money on it myself despite this being utterly not my genre. Would've thought it'd move a lot faster considering the title's been around for a while and seems pretty well-known.

[Decay]

The backer tiers have some really underwhelming rewards. Take the $280 tier for instance: The $180 tier rewards, plus a Narcissu T-shirt.

Wow, amazing. Literally a $100 t-shirt. That better be a really fucking good t-shirt. I mean, yeah, many people view Kickstarter as a donation platform, but many more people won't give much more money than they think the rewards are worth. Other SP projects seemed to understand this, but it looks like Stage-nana was afraid of offering too much and having to spend too much on reward fulfillment. But by being so miserly with the rewards they're going to end up with no or very little money at all. I mentioned this on reddit a day or two after the campaign launched and the project manager responded saying that they were looking into offering some more stuff but then nothing happened? This campaign seems really poorly thought out.