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In fact, it's important for two of the three heroines. For (very good) psychological reasons. And for the third girl, I can't spoil  :ph34r: CeruleanGamer, you have THE vn you were looking for :sachi:

Thank you for correcting me :v I didn't see the typo.

 

I considered only the "scape" route on my post, but I think all 3 needed sex, in different levels :B

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Semiramis no Tenbin

 

Without the sexual aspects, this VN would make a lot less sense.

Basically, the protagonist makes the mistake of screwing Ami when she invites him and she uses pictures on her smartphone to blackmail him into letting her stay at his place in order to hide from her uncle, who wants to rape her.

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Semiramis no Tenbin

 

Without the sexual aspects, this VN would make a lot less sense.

Basically, the protagonist makes the mistake of screwing Ami when she invites him and she uses pictures on her smartphone to blackmail him into letting her stay at his place in order to hide from her uncle, who wants to rape her.

 

How the hell does that work? Why would he want people to not know he had sex with her?

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puuhhh there´re a lot of titles, but depending on your preferences & taste i´d suggest

- Rasen Kairou 1-2 (age)
- Bishoujo Mangekyou Series (morningstar)
- Biniku no Kaori - Netori Netorare Yari Yarare (elf)

- Kawarazaki-ke no Ichizoku 2 (elf)
- Shin Mikagura Shoujo Tanteidan (elf)
- Ningen Debris (elf)
- Maro no Kanja wa Gatenkei (elf)
- Kuroinu (liquid)
- harumade kururu (sumikko soft)

- Devils Devel Concept (akatsuki works)

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How the hell does that work? Why would he want people to not know he had sex with her?

She basically made it look as though he were raping her, by manipulating what they both said and how theyreacted during and after the sex.  Also, in Japan the accusation of rape can cause a huge social stigma, even if it doesn't go to court (if it gets around)

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Did you just confuse an acclaimed nukige-with-plot developer with an infamous shovelware producer?

wouldnt call it a straight nukige, though it seems to be one at first sight. there is quite a good portion of mystery, supernatural & abit angst to the novels, though them also consisting of lots of sex scenes. despite most of them are fairly short, i personally found their story beeing well written and though the series is by no means a masterpiece its been an entertaining and fun read for me.

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The second Biman installment is actually a really decent game with a good story. Can't say anything about the Tower yet, but from what I've seen on the net, japanese players say it's the most solid title so far. First game was kind of a mixed bag - it has an appealing vampire heroine/gothic elements, but the protagonist himself and awful writing gimmicks make it mediocre at most; Mediocre, if you're able to stand the protag's horrible and twisted personality, that is.

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wouldnt call it a straight nukige, though it seems to be one at first sight. there is quite a good portion of mystery, supernatural & abit angst to the novels, though them also consisting of lots of sex scenes. despite most of them are fairly short, i personally found their story beeing well written and though the series is by no means a masterpiece its been an entertaining and fun read for me.

I think you still don't get it.

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The second Biman installment is actually a really decent game with a good story. Can't say anything about the Tower yet, but from what I've seen on the net, japanese players say it's the most solid title so far. First game was kind of a mixed bag - it has an appealing vampire heroine/gothic elements, but the protagonist himself and awful writing gimmicks make it mediocre at most; Mediocre, if you're able to stand the protag's horrible and twisted personality, that is.

 

Magenkyou 3 had a nice story and setting viewed as a nukige, but it was really unsatisfying as a story work because they didn't pursue the potential or deepen the characters more.

 

I'll chip in these titles.

Hotel Ergriffen

Koukyuu Shoufu

 

The boundary between ero and plot (Hotel Ergriffen doesn't really have plot since cause it's a step in sensorial dream land) is pretty much non-existent.

It ranks pretty high in terms of the ero being inseparable or integral to the work (both games have prostitution as a central theme). Not saying the games weren't coined with that in mind...but it's a strange thing when a nukige has a stronger atmosphere than most story games. It's the purple text (your mileage may very), painting-style art, music, ero, and content, all being in-sync towards creating a unified quality/atmosphere for the work, that turns these two games from bad to intriguingly notable.

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I find it very surprising that it has not been mentioned yet, but doesn't Fate/Stay Night fit that description perfectly? Most of the sex in there is like "We must have sex because we need mana", which is ridiculous and many people find it to be one of the worst elements of the Visual Novel, but if it's exactly what you're looking for I can think of no better example  :Teeku:

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Honestly most of the examples in this thread would probably make her laugh even more as "sex under necessity" typically just justifies the porn existing (or adding more of it) it still doesn't make it not porn. I think convincing your friend is going to be pretty hard friend since she is partially right, most popular Visual Novels with sexual content are stories that include porn. Obviously these visual novels aren't just porn, but the sex scenes themselves absolutely are.

 

There's a pretty huge difference between visual novels where the fact that the characters have sex with each other is necessary/important and visual novels where the sex scenes themselves are necessary/important.

There is a huge amount of VNs that fit the first example but those that fit the second example are incredibly rare.

 

Nearly all VNs that I see people praise as having sex scenes for the story and not just for porn only fit the first example. I mean there's nothing wrong with liking porn but I wish we would stop pretending that most sex scenes in visual novels are there for any other reason.

 

I mean in most Visual Novels when you reach a h-scene the story just....stops. The protagonist might be incredibly interesting, full of interesting monologues and funny remarks. Yet as soon as the H-scene comes this is all replaced by things like "I rub her breasts" or "It feels like I'm about to explode". And no matter the heroine's personality she'll turn incredibly meek and docile when the time comes. Unless it's a femdom scene, but even then her personality will be just as stereotypical, completely changed into exactly the sort of person the scene requires. She'll be incredibly embarrassed or even ignorant about sex but then suddenly become incredibly assertive if it's needed.

 

A pretty good litmus test: Could this scene be replaced by a fade to black without losing anything of the story? If you can then it probably isn't necessary.

 

A lot of VNs with medium-to-high sexual content will actually pass this, because even if a lot of the scenes fit my earlier issues with narrative stops and personality changes they still contribute something to the VN as a whole (especially the atmosphere) and removing them would change things quite a lot. A lot of HRPGs for example probably wouldn't be the same without sexual content, even if I'm personally not fond of said content. I mean these scenes are typically still porn but they don't detract from the general experience.

 

The main offenders are the VNs with low sexual content, the stuff people usually talk about when discussing VNs. People will defend them saying that the scenes are important to the story, and sex is an important part of life right? And yeah it is an important part of life but these VNs sure doesn't treat it with the same gravity as it might treat other content. Instead of spending 20 minutes on moans and descriptions of various fluids they could use them to actually add something to the overall narrative. You could use the opportunity to explore the characters at their most vulnerable, in what ways they are the same and in what ways they are different. What do they feel about sex? What does it mean to them and their relationship? There are tons of stuff you could explore yet it is incredibly rare to see this in a visual novel.

 

The only Visual Novels I've read that manage to do this Inganock and Sharnoth as they at least attempt to use the opportunity to reveal some of the characters feeling we might not see in other situations.

 

I wrote a bit of a mini-essay here, but I think the potential uses of sexual content in VN is pretty interesting.

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I find it very surprising that it has not been mentioned yet, but doesn't Fate/Stay Night fit that description perfectly? Most of the sex in there is like "We must have sex because we need mana", which is ridiculous and many people find it to be one of the worst elements of the Visual Novel, but if it's exactly what you're looking for I can think of no better example  :Teeku:

 

its more action scene than sex scene,

 

ya they have their cloths rid to the point where they naked, then there's the bath scene, and the kiss

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I believe that sexual content has its place in stories, but not in the way people assume. I agree a lot with what Beato has to say here, simply due to the fact that I believe sex does not need to visualized to make a story better. Writing about or describing a sexual experience (be it negative or positive) is a thing that a lot of good stories do, but actually showing me what is happening is never needed. Descriptions, whether in writing or spoken, impact the reader and let us form an opinion about what is happening.

 

To give an example, I saw the Vagina Monologues when I was studying abroad in Italy. An interesting experience that I highly recommend everyone view if they get the chance. During the more serious monologues, descriptive narratives were told. I remember a particular monologue where there was an elderly woman (being a teenager around 1920) describing how being turned on and becoming wet was considered satanic and that women were considered diseased for doing such a thing. She then went on to describe being molested and almost raped as a young woman. This kind of story (told completely in words) impacts the viewers, yet there were no visuals at all during her speech. In fact, the entire room was dark and all you could see were bold subtitles in both Italian and English on the stage in front of you. There was no old woman, there was no imagery used, and yet I was able to experience the story through words alone.

 

The same is true for a visual novel and any story in general. Descriptions and words themselves are what drive our creativity as a reader and allow us to justify that sex scenes are important in a visual novel, however as Beato and many other people in this thread state, visuals are never needed. They are purely for sexual pleasure purposes and add nothing to the story whatsoever. In other words, while I agree that a rape scene may be important to describe during a character's route in order to make me understand how traumatized they are and why they act the way they do, I do not need a visual to go with it - imagination comes from the mind, not a picture.

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I don't really think that the visuals are the biggest problem. A CG can add texture to a sex scene just like any other scene in a visual novel, how the character look at each other and how they touch, and what expressions they make can add things to the narrative. The problem with the sex scenes in visual novels is that they are usually so inconsequential that you could just replace them with a black screen that says "and then we had sex" without losing anything. And this goes for both the text and images.

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I find it very surprising that it has not been mentioned yet, but doesn't Fate/Stay Night fit that description perfectly? Most of the sex in there is like "We must have sex because we need mana", which is ridiculous and many people find it to be one of the worst elements of the Visual Novel, but if it's exactly what you're looking for I can think of no better example  :Teeku:

Yah I gave that as an example on my first post. Heck even on the anime, they almost borderline showed it after the battle with Berserker, but it was still hot and SFW so everyone wins.

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Honestly most of the examples in this thread would probably make her laugh even more as "sex under necessity" typically just justifies the porn existing (or adding more of it) it still doesn't make it not porn. I think convincing your friend is going to be pretty hard friend since she

is partially right, most popular Visual Novels with sexual content are stories that include porn. Obviously these visual novels aren't just porn, but the sex scenes themselves absolutely are.

 

There's a pretty huge difference between visual novels where the fact that the characters have sex with each other is necessary/important and visual novels where the sex scenes themselves are necessary/important.

There is a huge amount of VNs that fit the first example but those that fit the second example are incredibly rare.

 

Nearly all VNs that I see people praise as having sex scenes for the story and not just for porn only fit the first example. I mean there's nothing wrong with liking porn but I wish we would stop pretending that most sex scenes in visual novels are there for any other reason.

 

I mean in most Visual Novels when you reach a h-scene the story just....stops. The protagonist might be incredibly interesting, full of interesting monologues and funny remarks. Yet as soon as the H-scene comes this is all replaced by things like "I rub her breasts" or "It feels like I'm about to explode". And no matter the heroine's personality she'll turn incredibly meek and docile when the time comes. Unless it's a femdom scene, but even then her personality will be just as stereotypical, completely changed into exactly the sort of person the scene requires. She'll be incredibly embarrassed or even ignorant about sex but then suddenly become incredibly assertive if it's needed.

 

A pretty good litmus test: Could this scene be replaced by a fade to black without losing anything of the story? If you can then it probably isn't necessary.

 

A lot of VNs with medium-to-high sexual content will actually pass this, because even if a lot of the scenes fit my earlier issues with narrative stops and personality changes they still contribute something to the VN as a whole (especially the atmosphere) and removing them would change things quite a lot. A lot of HRPGs for example probably wouldn't be the same without sexual content, even if I'm personally not fond of said content. I mean these scenes are typically still porn but they don't detract from the general experience.

 

The main offenders are the VNs with low sexual content, the stuff people usually talk about when discussing VNs. People will defend them saying that the scenes are important to the story, and sex is an important part of life right? And yeah it is an important part of life but these VNs sure doesn't treat it with the same gravity as it might treat other content. Instead of spending 20 minutes on moans and descriptions of various fluids they could use them to actually add something to the overall narrative. You could use the opportunity to explore the characters at their most vulnerable, in what ways they are the same and in what ways they are different. What do they feel about sex? What does it mean to them and their relationship? There are tons of stuff you could explore yet it is incredibly rare to see this in a visual novel.

 

The only Visual Novels I've read that manage to do this Inganock and Sharnoth as they at least attempt to use the opportunity to reveal some of the characters feeling we might not see in other situations.

 

I wrote a bit of a mini-essay here, but I think the potential uses of sexual content in VN is pretty interesting.

This is exactly why I said Amane from Grisaia.  I actually just checked to make sure, but I still hold that it is the best use of actually typical H-Scenes I've seen in a VN so far.  You couldn't really just black it out with "they had sex" in this route.  In at least 2 of the 5 scenes, and arguably a third, Amane gets quite a lot of character growth that would probably lose impact otherwise if it was subbed for a sub 18 age rating.  You could replace them with other scenes, but I really don't think it would be for the better, and would probably be to the detriment of her character.

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The same is true for a visual novel and any story in general. Descriptions and words themselves are what drive our creativity as a reader and allow us to justify that sex scenes are important in a visual novel, however as Beato and many other people in this thread state, visuals are never needed. They are purely for sexual pleasure purposes and add nothing to the story whatsoever. In other words, while I agree that a rape scene may be important to describe during a character's route in order to make me understand how traumatized they are and why they act the way they do, I do not need a visual to go with it - imagination comes from the mind, not a picture.

 

Then technically all CGs are unnecessary too. Visual novels aren't books. Some people prefer visual representation of things over pure descriptions. 

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Then technically all CGs are unnecessary too. Visual novels aren't books. Some people prefer visual representation of things over pure descriptions.

"Visual" novels, get it?

It satisfies our appetite as readers to "visualize" everything. I assume everyone here has a decent 20/20 vision or at least not blind to appreciate VNs. Although VNs might be more stimulating if you're blind especially during erotic scenes. It might be interesting to hear an opinion of a blind person who plays VNs.

From a loli girl eat takoyaki in a lewd way, to Archer from FSN slashing your screen during fight scenes, to Rance claiming another territory and humping his 300th woman. Like kids being much more interested with 20 page picture books than a 500 page encyclopedia with 10x more information but NO pictures.

Like going to a fast food restaurant and seeing a picture of that fat juicy burger and not have someone voiced as Morgan Freeman describing how amazing the burger is with every bite. But the latter might be OK too since it's Morgan Freeman. :)

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