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  1. 1. Will you buy MoeNovel's debut title, "If my Heart had Wings"

    • Yes
      10
    • No
      31
    • Maybe
      24
    • Depends if there is H or not
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Then they could have just chosen a different games that is all ages and nobody cares about, this one is full of sex and ero, cutting it is like taking half of the game away.

I mean on vndb every main char has at least 10 sexual tags, even 2 of the side characters who don't even have route have sexual tags (so there probably are H scenes in common route).

It doesn't have "low sexual content" or "late sexual content" - it has "sexual content" which often implies that the sex is there all the time, more of it in the routes. It is full romance about dating, you date and then you do your thing... while enjoying relatively good story - that's the point.

How the hell does this game work without it?

If they want to break preconceptions of VNs being just mindless porn games - release a porn game that isn't mindless (unlike MG xD) - this one would be perfect, it isn't nukige but has quite a lot of sexual content - its a good VN with everything good VN needs.

Well now that I know that sex is very prevalent in the game other than just the H-scenes, that changes everything. This game probably isn't going to sell well, which is a shame since it seems promising (I mean ugh just look at that art!). I still might buy it though, although my chances of buying it just dropped to about 30%.

Has anyone here played the game before?

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Well, I haven't even heard of it before this.

But there is a demo, as previously mentioned.

And the "sexual content" tag in vndb is meaningless. It just means there is porn as opposed to no porn.

For games that are full of sex scenes, they have one "high sexual content".

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Well, I haven't even heard of it before this.

But there is a demo, as previously mentioned.

And the "sexual content" tag in vndb is meaningless. It just means there is porn as opposed to no porn.

For games that are full of sex scenes, they have one "high sexual content".

well high sexual content is getting closer to nukige, this doesn't have that many.

but still a lot

one of the character sexual tags

Anal Sex, Cowgirl, Doggy Style, Fellatio, Fingering, Group Sex, Handjob, Missionary, Sex in Public, Virgin Sex

Unless the characters are some kind of supergirls, I don't see how they can manage so many positions in one or 2 H scenes xD

Even the side characters have 4 positions

(

Cowgirl, Group Sex, Lotus, Missionary

), there can max be 2 per H scene if they somehow switch them in middle which still leaves at least 2 scenes for a side character. Maybe

But from what I've played its often one BJ (or similar) and then one position.

Which leaves this game with hours of sexual content - yes its split to 50 hour VN so it might not be that frequent but still a lot of it.

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I probably would've bought it if it was originaly an all-ages title, as I usualy prefer VNs with low sexual content(though I can actualy tolerate a lot of it), but cutting the ero, especialy from this type of VN, sounds just plain stupid. No way am I paying for a butchered game.

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Huh, this surprised me just as much as everyone else. I just got home then BAM.

I've heard great things about this game. The art direction seems fantastic, at least.

And regarding their decision to remove the ero, I don't mind it either way so long as it doesn't hinder the story and the message the author was trying to convey. I do, however, question their motive; VNs aren't a very popular medium in the west to begin with, and saying that removing the ero will reach a wider audience makes me feel like the publishers aren't seeing the big picture. Many other factors contribute to this infamy (if you could even call it that), such as the fact that most gamers in the west feel a little put off by anime-styled designs due to the increasing number of games with gritty realism and excessive amounts of testosterone, or simply due to values dissonance. You could say that the western public can't enjoy VNs for the same reason that most kids in school these days can't enjoy classic literature: the difference in style, language, culture, and ideology is just far too great, and you cannot fully enjoy the work unless you immerse yourself in the social-cultural context behind its creation.

Fuck, I'm rambling. I DO admit, though, that I enjoy ero, but hey, it's not something I'll miss.

Last but not least, trying to please everyone yields the same results as pleasing no one. When you're playing a Doom map with lots of monsters and not enough ammo, you don't try to kill 'em all; you try to kill the ones the pose the most threat, and then proceed to the exit.

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Unfortunately, I think they're relying on the experts at Mangagamer to market the game for them.

Yeah...

well that's the thing, the people at MG who at least have some experience (and know that sex games sell much better xD) told them that they could make both version and even shown them the selling figures of kira kira 18+ vs all-ages - yet they still didn't listen :o

(well that's what Kouryuu said on the forums, what they actually told them we can never know)

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Personally I would consider making no-ero the default option, I think that would make people feel better if they don't like ero. On the other hand, I really have no fucking clue and as I wrote that I became less sure of it already Oo.

I can't think of many reasons, but maybe...

1. While the current demographics prefer ero in general, they may be trying to reach people who aren't currently reading vns. Good luck with no marketing...

2. Rapelay incident still messing things up even though the ero probably isn't that violent or anything.

3. Japanese are weird

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Unfortunately a lot of people in the west seem to dismiss anything that looks anime as porn even when it isn't. Unless they actualy do a very good job at marketing(which I somehow doubt) most people will dismiss it as an eroge even with the removal of said ero content.

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well at least if its mangagamer, u can expect ANN to cover it, and possibly even Japanator or siliconera?

sanahtlig: if the state can argue that it can twist the meaning of written law to suit their 'modern' needs, then there is no end to the amount of abuse that will result:

New Jersey Lawmaker Proposes Legislation To Ban Games With Mature Content From Public Places

States Continue To Make Photographing Or Taping Farms A Crime

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130410/01513722653/states-continue-to-make-photographing-taping-farms-crime.shtml

Maryland The Latest State To Trample The First Amendment With Quixotic Attempt To Outlaw 'Cyberbullying'

so theyll need to invent more than the Miller test in order to create new laws to fuck us, let's create a Diller, Giller, Ziller test while we're at it. Yes. That's constitutional. Because We declare it so.

...Rather there is actually a correct way to interpret the constitution and it is in how the various former states ratified it during the country's founding. http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/is-there-a-right-way-to-interpret-the-constitution/

I mentioned it to my contact at Siliconera but as far as they know, theirs no plans to write up anything yet.

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Okay, I'm currently giving the trial a shot. Just as I expected, the game's art is absolutely stunning. Some of the shots and backgrounds feel breathtaking, and it really gives a peaceful, serene sensation.

Now, regarding writing: the English is below average. So far I haven't seen many lines that are downright wrong, but it's clear that the translator is an inexperienced writer, as there are many awkwardly worded phrases and sentences (the translator seems to have trouble mostly with adverbs). Lines don't seem to flow very well either, and the choice of words and expressions gives me the impression that this was made by an amateur fansubber. Simply put, it's not particularly comfortable to read, as there is no proper rhythm.

However, I cannot deny the fact that I am interested in this game now. I'm still not sure if I'll buy this, though. I'd like to check the Japanese version, if only because I want to read this in its original form.

I do recommend everyone here to give it a shot and make their own conclusions.

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I actually have had this VN in my wish-list for some months already, so I really wanna play it.

However, I don't like the idea of taking away the H-scenes. I mean, come on, it's a VN where the objective is to end up with a girl, it's supposed to have an H-scene. It's the normal thing, when they fall in love and everything then comes the sex, they shouldn't just take it away like that. Even if there are H-scenes I don't like in some games I just skip them, it's that easy, I like to know what happens, not like in anime, that always ends with a kiss and leaves you kinda thinking: That's it?

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One of the users on VNDB sent an e-mail to MoeNovel customer support about the all-ages issue and received a response:

Thank you for your interest in our game. I am sorry to say that the game does not have any sex scenes. Explicit content has been removed, but original content still remain.

The game has been rated Teen and above by ESRB, and has been given a 12 rating by PEGI.

There are no visible body parts, by the game still possesses love content. There are kissing scenes and kissing sounds, but there is no actual animation showing that.

The player can use their imagination in beach scenes, bedroom scenes, and bathroom scenes. There are implied and hinted meanings, where the player can make use of their imagination. There are beach scenes and bathroom scenes where the female characters will sport bikini wear, and have their body covered by water, or by towels. There will also be scenes where the female characters will be scantily clad.

Thank you for supporting our game, I hope you will find our game interesting.

Kind Regards,

Moenovel support staff

http://vndb.org/t4066/6#136

Also, a user on VNDB downloaded the CG pack for the game and browsed through.

After reading through this thread I decided to download the CG pack and see for myself just how much H content this VN has.

As it turns out, the vast majority of CGs are, in fact, H scenes. If they remove all of this, well, there's really not that much left. And to top it off, the HCGs actually look very good and would have been even better uncensored, so I think an All-Ages version is pretty fucking stupid.

http://vndb.org/t4066/6#149

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Yes I got the same email from them. It is sad, its like saying "you can use imagination in any game to imagine you got reward, you don't need to actually get loot" - because thats what H often is, it is a rewarding part of the VN.

If I wasn't afraid of spoilers (I even hate HCG spoilers) I would download the CG pack and check what portion of the CG's are actually H.

If someone who played it or doesn't care about spoil can do it, it would be great - I'm interested in how bit the part they cut off actually is.

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From Accany's KonoSora review:

There is quite a lot of H scenes surprisingly. Four to five for each character with varying positions (lol). Take note that I don’t play through H scenes much so I can’t say much about this. There is also an append disk where it adds a Sweet Love section in the game where you finish a route, it will add an extra scene you can play after you reach the title menu.

http://accany.wordpress.com/2012/08/15/%E3%81%93%E3%81%AE%E5%A4%A7%E7%A9%BA%E3%81%AB%E3%80%81%E7%BF%BC%E3%82%92%E3%81%B2%E3%82%8D%E3%81%92%E3%81%A6-review/

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I think in this case, they've picked the wrong title to translate to make it an All Age Release. There are a lot of games that have 1 or 2 H scenes in a route, this seems to be the main focus.

I think we can expect quite a hollow experiance.

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From the same VNDB thread:

I counted up the CGs, and including all of the very slight variations, this is how it adds up:

Non-H: 463 (includes swimsuits, wet t-shirt with bra showing through, scene where it looks like a girl has nopan)

Ero: 646 (includes CGs that are part of H scenes and bath scenes with visible nipples)

SD: 110 (chibi characters)

Of course this says nothing about the story-to-ero ratio, but lets you know how much art they cut out. Also note that 40+ of the non-h CGs are for animating a plane flying through the sky.

http://vndb.org/t4066/7#168

Say what you will about the effect on the story, but the artwork must've been heavily modified / gutted to get a T rating from the ESRB.

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Damn, I didn't think a game like this would have this much ero. And lots, too. Now, of course, this doesn't mean that the game is not focused on telling a good story, but now I can kind of understand what the hush is all about. From the perspective of an eroge fan, this really detracts from the experience. It's like when they decided to remove all the blood, gore, and nazi references from the SNES version of Wolfenstein 3D because Nintendo wouldn't sell any games with "adult" content (and let's not forget how all the dogs were replaced with... "mutant rats"); you can still play the game just fine (and fuck man, it's Wolf 3D, you can't go wrong with it), but something in the back of your head will keep telling you that something's missing, like pizza without tomato sauce.

I still don't think I mind it too much. I've always considered ero to be a nice little bonus in games like these, one which I can live without.

I have one question though: is it possible to say that this is censorship?

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