Pabloc Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Personally, I got so used to mosaics that I don't even notice them. And I'd take pixelated stuff over horrendously drawn anatomy any day. However, when it comes to Grisaia... Well, I know that H-scenes without mosaics are extremely rare among official English 18+ releases (I mean, merely 95% of those are completely uncensored, that's very little) and I'm sure that everyone always carefully checks FAQs to find info about it, but I'd say that placing a warning in a visible place might have been a tiny little bit more fair. Also, "unrated edition" is a perfectly meaningless label. O wow, it wasn't rated by ESRB or PEGI. Cool. So what? But, those are minor issues really. The main problem here is that 18+ edition is still nowhere to be found. I can understand technical difficulties, but over 2 months delay of something that should have been released on the same day as the Steam crap is utterly ridiculous. You can probably read the entire trilogy in that time... sanahtlig and XReaper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxel Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Differences between Fan TLed G Senjou ans SP G Senjou? - 720p instead of 800x600 - Probably TLCed + polished - Improved UI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Blue Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Differences between Fan TLed G Senjou ans SP G Senjou? - 720p instead of 800x600 - Probably TLCed + polished - Improved UI Silvz and Kawasumi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzu Fanatic Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) EDIT: thread is going too offtopic, sorry for the derail Edited July 30, 2015 by Suzu Fanatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuee Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 -censorship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxel Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Oww come on, Denpa will release 18+ version with the all the improvements.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabloc Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 ^ Delayed for half a year because of Reasons™. But hey, you'll get Sakura Boob Crush, Sakura Flappy Boob and Sakura Boob Simulator in the meantime. Maxel, Zenophilious and Silvz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I'm pretty sure Sekai Project's target audience isn't people who've imported the Japanese titles they're localizing and played them with fan translation patches. If I got dovac correct, he does not care about fans/audience/demons/whoever, if Kickstarter projects got funded. And, well, I think everyone who wanted to play the game - already downloaded game from torrents. So I supposed that in this case he would try to give us something what we did not saw (yeah, like uncensored h-scenes)... But opposite, he just cuts the game even more. All for Steam, all for victory! And screw others, who does not worship Sekai and cannot understand the beauty of selling old same thing TWICE without investing almost 0 Differences between Fan TLed G Senjou ans SP G Senjou? - 720p instead of 800x600 - Probably TLCed + polished - Improved UI - Oh yeah. 720p for 640x480 CG is just super clever idea. They do not have bigger resolution images, so only way to do it is upscale and cut top and bottom. So even less and blurry content. - TLC was done by fans for years. There is always something to improve, but it is already polished a lot, I personally do not see any benefits. - Improved UI? For what, for almost kinetic novel, which already have very intuitive UI? Fixing things, which did not broke? Yeah, very good move. It already came with a patch to censor the game so not really. It was a fan-made patch. It was never intended by the author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxel Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 - Oh yeah. 720p for 640x480 CG is just super clever idea. They do not have bigger resolution images, so only way to do it is upscale and cut top and bottom. So even less and blurry content. - TLC was done by fans for years. There is always something to improve, but it is already polished a lot, I personally do not see any benefits. - Improved UI? For what, for almost kinetic novel, which already have very intuitive UI? Fixing things, which did not broke? Yeah, very good move. - 800x600 isn't 640x480... Maybe I'm blind tho, and 800x600=640x480 o.O - It is a good translation I doubt they'll just re-release it without any changes/improvements - It is improved? Have you seen any images of the new version? http://i.imgur.com/KvqRghF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hGS8aLo.jpg btw. Why so much hate ? @edit-->Decay I guess I'm blind then, where are you seeing "artifacting"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kururin Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Much hate such doge with SP here... *hides* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 - 800x600 isn't 640x480... Maybe I'm blind tho, and 800x600=640x480 o.O - It is a good translation I doubt they'll just re-release it without any changes/improvements - It is improved? Have you seen any images of the new version? http://i.imgur.com/KvqRghF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hGS8aLo.jpg btw. Why so much hate ? They should have released those screenshots and PNGs because I can't tell if the artifacting is from upscaling or from jpeg compression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzu Fanatic Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 If I got dovac correct, he does not care about fans/audience/demons/whoever, if Kickstarter projects got funded. And, well, I think everyone who wanted to play the game - already downloaded game from torrents. So I supposed that in this case he would try to give us something what we did not saw (yeah, like uncensored h-scenes)... But opposite, he just cuts the game even more. All for Steam, all for victory! And screw others, who does not worship Sekai and cannot understand the beauty of selling old same thing TWICE without investing almost 0 -Scorp What exactly has he cut thus far? I don't really want to start anything, But you seem to misunderstand a great deal. Last I saw, Sunrider academy was uncut on Denpa, as was Nekopara vol 1. Both games that were intended to have adult releases. GnK was "cut" to begin with. The version on Steam was the VITA VERSION, it was "cut" when it was made in japan - SP had nothing to do with it being "cut". This isn't the same bullshit that moenovel pulled. Furthermore, Frontwing count the Vita version and the +18 pc version as seperate licences - along with other behind-the-scenes complications. So where do you base you opinion and idea that SP is going to "cut" anything from a adult release of G Senjou? (or anything else for that matter) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 G-senjou doesn't have a non-adult release in Japan. Cuts will need to happen to put it on Steam. Has Sekai Project guaranteed a release on Denpasoft? Have they said it will be demosiaced? I don't think they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxel Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 The best way to stop Sekai from picking up pretty much only VNs with All-ages versions is to not buy them on Steam, and buy them on Denpa at later date x months later, but probably everyone here are already doing this. My current dreams: - Kickstarter allowing 18+ only VNs to be funded - Steam allowing 18+ VNs to be hosted With this the true "Golden Age" for VNs shall appear. G-senjou doesn't have a non-adult release in Japan. Cuts will need to happen to put it on Steam. Has Sekai Project guaranteed a release on Denpasoft? Have they said it will be demosiaced? I don't think they have. I believe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 They have not guaranteed an adult release, but they did some really heavy-handed winking and nodding at Otakon. @edit-->Decay I guess I'm blind then, where are you seeing "artifacting"? Look at the second image, it's literally all over the image. One of most prominently visible parts is the hair. Here's the original CG for reference: http://i.imgur.com/z5DUeTd.png I think it might just be the jpeg compression, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzu Fanatic Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Obviously sex scenes will be cut from the steam release, Steam is pretty much an American business - and has to watch it's ass due to laws regarding porn distribution etc. I think people are more harping on the idea of cut plot content - but that's more or less a decision of a dev, not the distributor. @Sanah: I doubt it'll be demosiaced, unless they get Doddler to draw for them like he has for MG, heh~ @Decay ah I see it too - maybe they'll smooth those out with a engine filter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Doddler actually hasn't redrawn anything for mangagamer and there seems to be a lot of misunderstandings for how that process works. Whether or not G-Senjou gets decensored relies entirely on whether or not Akabeisoft2 still has the original uncensored images. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzu Fanatic Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Doddler actually hasn't redrawn anything for mangagamer and there seems to be a lot of misunderstandings for how that process works. Whether or not G-Senjou gets decensored relies entirely on whether or not Akabeisoft2 still has the original uncensored images. Huh, I thought I had read him tweet about doing such things. Unless I'm misremembering the context. Would the originals really be required? I've seen some pretty high-quality "decensors" of CGs that started out pixelated. Wouldent permission to modify be all that is required? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Doddler has used photoshop to smudge the colors a little in a couple imouto paradise CGs, that's pretty much it. If they don't have the originals, they have two options, one is commission a new artist to redraw those portions for them. This adds quite a bit to the budget of a project and it may not even be possible to get permission from the original creators to make those kinds of alterations. The other option is to request the original artist to redraw those portions. Good luck with that. JAST has canceled at least one project due to the uncensored CGs being unavailable, because there is no feasible way for them to properly decensor it themselves. Suzu Fanatic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 They have not guaranteed an adult release, but they did some really heavy-handed winking and nodding at Otakon. Look at the second image, it's literally all over the image. One of most prominently visible parts is the hair. Here's the original CG for reference: http://i.imgur.com/z5DUeTd.png I think it might just be the jpeg compression, though. Comparing the two images, it's rather obvious what's being done here. Notice that the horizontal field of vision has not increased. The vertical field of vision has definitely decreased. The original CG looks a great deal sharper. It's fairly obvious the resolution "upgrade" is a simple zoom of the original CG. We could already zoom the CG by playing in full-screen mode, and that at least gives us the option of how to scale the images (zoom, 1:1 scale with sidebars, stretch to fit screen). In a sense, the resolution upgrade is a downgrade because it discards other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrt Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 G-senjou doesn't have a non-adult release in Japan. Cuts will need to happen to put it on Steam. Has Sekai Project guaranteed a release on Denpasoft? Have they said it will be demosiaced? I don't think they have. It needs not be said but if you've watched the panel video from Otakon as well as have frequented the forums, followed responses they've made on twitter, etc the Steam version will be censored pretty much exactly like the fan-translation all ages patch was. I never played that version so I don't know what will actually be censored. They've also heavily hinted that there are quite a number of additional titles coming to Denpasoft. As far as guaranteeing no mosaics they've said nothing about it. They will ask I'm sure but if the company says they don't have the originals or they are shit quality or one of the companies puts the mosaics as a condition for 18+ release Denpasoft will almost definitely still accept it. JAST would likely not as they are the only one of the three companies that takes a strong stance against mosaics for English releases even to the point it's lost them business partners (if rumors are to be believed). However this wasn't originally the case for JAST either as anyone who remembers Chain Lost Footprints will remember that game was censored initially upon release back when they were first starting out as well. Mangagamer has released titles with mosaics as well Ef, Eden, and Suika (uncensored were lost) so it's not like Denpasoft's the only company that has done it. I'm chalking a lot of this up to inexperience and learning on their part, they are hiring more people and outsourcing certain areas of the company to make it more efficient. I am a bit skeptical but for the most part I'm taking a wait and see attitude. I have not kickstarted any of their recent games nor bought any of their recent games since the Grisaia Kickstarter and likely will not until they get their act together and get Denpasoft properly functional again. One thing everyone seems to fail to remember is that the Japanese companies wish to make money. If they can release two versions of the game to get more profit then I expect that is what will be done they have no reason to exclude potential customers willing to give them money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuee Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 ^ Delayed for half a year because of Reasons™. But hey, you'll get Sakura Boob Crush, Sakura Flappy Boob and Sakura Boob Simulator in the meantime. I sure hope it's just Frontwing being lazy assholes. It was a fan-made patch. It was never intended by the author. We were talking about differences between the fan patch and the official release. Furthermore, Frontwing count the Vita version and the +18 pc version as seperate licences - along with other behind-the-scenes complications. No, that's just Frontwing being greedy assholes. The best way to stop Sekai from picking up pretty much only VNs with All-ages versions is to not buy them on Steam, and buy them on Denpa at later date x months later, but probably everyone here are already doing this. My current dreams: - Kickstarter allowing 18+ only VNs to be funded - Steam allowing 18+ VNs to be hosted With this the true "Golden Age" for VNs shall appear. Yeah, that won't really happen. It's more of a cultural thing to be honest. VNs can't ever reach a certain point of popularity, because if notable media sources catch source of "anime games where you have sex with high school girls", things aren't going to go very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawasumi Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Yeah, that won't really happen. It's more of a cultural thing to be honest. VNs can't ever reach a certain point of popularity, because if notable media sources catch source of "anime games where you have sex with high school girls", things aren't going to go very well. Oh yeah, fox news would be all over that shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzu Fanatic Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I sure hope it's just Frontwing being lazy assholes. ================================================ Yeah, that won't really happen. It's more of a cultural thing to be honest. VNs can't ever reach a certain point of popularity, because if notable media sources catch source of "anime games where you have sex with high school girls", things aren't going to go very well. 1. I recall reading a post from Dovac on the SP board saying they were not able to mention anything about the +18 GnK (besides the the tech issue he showed) until Otakon. Sounds like Frontwing def. played a part somehow. A major win to get them to localize, but apparently with a ton of strings attached... (hell, look at the ChiruChiru release, that was Frontwing. I suspect SP is silently cringing at the release) 2. Gotta love bullshit double-standard society mindset. If a game focused on killing (which is about 90% of games) instead of sex, no one would bat an eyelash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Frontwing sounds like the most miserable partner to work with, somehow even worse than Demonbane-era Nitro+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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