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On 8/14/2022 at 7:08 PM, Plk_Lesiak said:

If you ever change your mind, I have a legitimate copy of euphoria I'd be willing to share.

Nah, I think I'll pass, at least for now ;)

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Making use of recent progress in PSVita emulation and my new PC, I just started reading console version of Hoshi Ori Yume Mirai. Even the text-hooking works :D

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I currently stopped in the middle of the third in-game day (first day of school), but I'm really liking it so far - it has really nice, warm mood.

Is there any recommended route order for this VN? As far as I can see, there seems to be no "true ending" or "true route" - just six heroines. The walkthrough at seiya-saiga gives following order:
Sora -> Rika -> Touko -> Misa -> Marika -> Natsuki.

Is it OK to follow that order, or would you recommend other one?

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There's not really any recommended order from what I can remember, so just go with whatever strikes your fancy. At some point in the future when I feel like rereading this VN in the form of Perfect Edition (only read the original so far), I'm probably saving Rikka for last, since she's the heroine I liked the most (and a lot of others seem to do as well).

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On 8/16/2022 at 3:05 PM, Seraphim said:

There's not really any recommended order from what I can remember, so just go with whatever strikes your fancy.

I started with Sora, since she was first both in the walkthrough, and on choices list ;) I'm still somewhere around the first half of the route, I guess (just reached the first kiss ;) ), but I'm loving it so far. Sora is so cute :abilove:

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It seems to be near-perfect relaxing, feel-good moege - and nicely executed :)

On 8/16/2022 at 3:05 PM, Seraphim said:

At some point in the future when I feel like rereading this VN in the form of Perfect Edition

I've heard that Perfect Edition isn't as perfect as the devs claim ;) AFAIK it tries to merge together the original +18 version and additional/replacement scenes from console edition (which I'm currently reading), but apparently sometimes it comes out weird.

BTW reading Vita version on PC (using emulator) is an experience surprisingly close to playing actual PC VN - since Vita's touchscreen is emulated with the mouse, so I can freely navigate all the menus just like on PC - the only missing thing is right-click ;)

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I'm playing RISK with the entire VN scene and so far it feels like I'm doing quite well. Diplomacy is truly a difficult thing to maintain. It does look like I'm cleaning my name by the day and that feels amazing.

On a more serious note: I'm currently just way too busy to be playing anything, but I occasionally put some hours into Bible Black: La Noche de Walpurgis (in 640x480 goodness) as well as some doujin games such as the "Isogashii Hito no Tame"-series of Touhou Project fangames by KasugaSoft.

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14 hours ago, adamstan said:

I started with Sora, since she was first both in the walkthrough, and on choices list ;) I'm still somewhere around the first half of the route, I guess (just reached the first kiss ;) ), but I'm loving it so far. Sora is so cute :abilove:

Yeah, Sora's great! She's my favorite aside from Rikka. I still find this kissing CG (that I think I've already posted here at some point) of her hilariously awkward, but I can't quite remember if it was from the first kiss scene you mentioned.

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15 minutes ago, Seraphim said:

I still find this kissing CG (that I think I've already posted here at some point) of her hilariously awkward, but I can't quite remember if it was from the first kiss scene you mentioned.

No, it was later,

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when Sora came to Ryousuke's home

I read that scene just a few minutes ago ;)

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And now I'm at condom buying scene - quite hilarious with Ryousuke trying to be all stealthy :D

 

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Finished some more VN's so I guess it's about time for an update.

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First is Summer Pockets which I just finished a few days ago. Reflection Blue wasn't out yet when I started reading, and I didn't want to switch inbetween, so I've only read the vanilla version so far. Overall, it was a rather fluffy moege with one of the most likable heroine casts I've seen in a Key VN so far. Usually there are few hits but also some misses for me, but here I liked all of the 4 heroines with routes. It's also the first time that the actual main heroine (Shiroha) was also my favorite. Granted, that was also the case for Angel Beats, but I just watched the anime for that.

Admittedly, the likable character cast might also have something to do with the nice visuals, since it's probably the best looking Key game to date. At least regarding the character designs. It might be worth noting that they had several character designers. Ao was clearly stolen from Izumi Tsubasu - Palette's main artist. I recognize her character designs from miles away. But also the other artists did a good job. Na-Ga in particular certainly improved a lot since his early times with Key. Just the backgrounds felt a bit more uneven though, with some of them looking rather cheaply made.

Music was okay, but I think earlier Key works had more memorable soundtracks. Still on the good side though.

That said, there were still some things that were bugging me (like usual). First, the writing was frequently a bit hit and miss. Especially the lewd jokes felt a bit too much at times. While Ao was mostly still on the okayish side, Shizuku frequently felt like she was a cheap hentai chick from Boob Wars. The level of sexism towards her character reached almost misogynic levels at times (nickname 'Boobies'?!?) which I frankly found inappropriate for a Key novel. Ryouchi's stripping fetish also got old pretty fast. Still not entirely sure if he's supposed fan-service for female readers or just a plain joke character.

Something I'm also a bit irritated about is its nakige tag. While I do think it's a decent moege, the nakige parts at the end of each route felt a bit short compared to the rather extensive slice-of-life and comedy parts. That's not to say they were bad and it's certainly not about the addition of pointless melodrama. I just wished they sticked with the more serious mood a bit longer and went a bit deeper into the actual mysteries.

Which brings us to the actual 'true' routes that were supposed to shed some light into the events... (Warning: Incoming mini rant!)

So, let's start with Alka - the first of the after routes. First, it tells a lot about the effort put into a route, if literally 50% of it are straight up copy & paste from one of the heroine routes. And to add insult to injury, the other half felt pretty much like a baby-phone recording.

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Seriously, what did they do to Umi?! They turned the bright and funny character from the main part into an ultra annoying crybaby. If they wanted her to loose it, then they should have given her an actual development and not just come up with a lame copy of her. Kanon did that way better with the fox girl 20 years ago.
And Umi searching for a mom character if she's living with the most mom-like character in 100 km radius with Kyouko? Seriously?! The whole parent relationship just didn't fit, which also has something to do with the unfitting ages for them. And besides some noted similarities in appearance, Umi and Shiroha didn't give the slightest fuck for each other in the main routes. And Hairi's relationship was always more on the big brotherly side anyway.

Overall, the whole route felt so unnatural and forced that it was almost creepy to read. Just not in a good and exciting way of creepiness. I ended up just skipping a lot of it...

Fortunately, the final Pocket route was a better. It was still rather short and didn't add a lot of meat to the story, but at least it was way less annoying to read than Alka and also didn't just copy & paste half of its content. While it did highlight the relationship of certain characters, it still kept major things too vague or not explained at all. Most of the relevation seemed about stuff that wasn't even a thing in the main routes.

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So, what was the precise scientific explanation again for teddy bears turning into cute loli girls?!?

As a short sidenote, the VN actually reminded me more of Da Capo 2 than other key VN's. The whole island theme with mysterious phenomenons affecting the heroines ; the location structure at the start to decide which heroine to go for ; two sidekicks instead of just one. There were a lot of similarities. Just that Da Capo 2 explained its themes way better, had overall more substance and was actually a real nakige and not just a moege. That said, its heroine cast was more uneven. Summer Pockets really shines in that regard.

Okay, after the bashing, some more compliments again. Regarding the parent & family theme the VN tries so hard to force in its after routes, it did a way better job in the actual main parts about that. The interaction between Kyouko, Hairi and Umi felt very natural and heart warming. Kyouko was a very well written adult character with a strong parent role. And Umi also wasn't just another loli to ****.

Heroine ranking: Shiroha > Ao > Tsumugi > Kamome

Overall rating: 7/10

Actually, after Alka I was very close to rating it down to 6.5, but after some time to vent and considering I read and enjoyed all the heroine routes to some degree, I think a 7 is fair. Just wished it had a bit more substance. The high rating on VNDB is a bit puzzling in that regard. Though, it includes Reflection Blue that might have improved some things. At least I hope it's more that than just blatant Key fanboyism.

Hm, the review got a bit longer than I thought. Guess I'll stop here now and make a separate post for the two other two VN's I've finished in the meantime (well, one of them just dropped). They'll get shorter reviews anyway.

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4 hours ago, ChaosRaven said:
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Seriously, what did they do to Umi?! They turned the bright and funny character from the main part into an ultra annoying crybaby. If they wanted her to loose it, then they should have given her an actual development and not just come up with a lame copy of her.

 

Seeing how it surprised you, I guees you played each route using the save from first branching point rather than starting everytime from scratch?

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That makes the crucial difference, since that way you miss Umi's gradual decay at each playthrough - including her behaviour in common route. If you started from the "New Game" every time, you'd see her slowly loosing it, with her state in Alka being just the final stage.

FWIW I also played vanilla version (without RB), but I rated it at 8.5

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And as for my reading - today I finished Sora's route in Hoshi Ori Yume Mirai

I don't know how it compares to other routes yet, but on its own it was simply amazing and heartwarming - I loved every bit of it :abilove:

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42 minutes ago, adamstan said:

Seeing how it surprised you, I guees you played each route using the save from first branching point rather than starting everytime from scratch?

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Nope, I actually started each route from scratch. And I don't really remember her 'decaying'. Actually, I'm pretty sure that several text passages were almost exactly the same and I was pretty annoyed that they were tagged a unread. Though, it took me months to finish it, so if it's just about small details, I might have missed it. Nevertheless, even if there was a slight decline, it was certainly not even close to the state she was in Alka.

 

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23 minutes ago, ChaosRaven said:
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Actually, I'm pretty sure that several text passages were almost exactly the same and I was pretty annoyed that they were tagged a unread. Though, it took me months to finish it, so if it's just about small details, I might have missed it. Nevertheless, even if there was a slight decline, it was certainly not even close to the state she was in Alka.

 

 

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Maybe it's because of that time - did you take long breaks between the routes? I clearly remember her becoming more and more childish and clumsy after each cycle. But it also might be that we just perceive those things differently.

 

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Maybe it's because of that time - did you take long breaks between the routes? I clearly remember her becoming more and more childish and clumsy after each cycle.

 

Certainly possible. I'm getting bored pretty fast, especially from pure slice of life. So I'm reading like 4 - 5 different VN's at the same time to get some more variety. That takes its toll on the finishing time.

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So, another short review of a VN I've recently finished...

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Sanoba Witch was a bit of a gap in my list of Yuzusoft VN's. To be honest, I was a bit hesitant about this one from the start. And I should be right. They went with a real hentai plot this time. It's supposed to be about witches, but it's more about the characters being given some kind of geass or trial to overcome to gain something. And during that time they have to do 'stupid things' so to say. Like Tsumugi - the resident boob-loli - having to wear the cloths of a guy. That might have been still okay, however...

The Top offender was certainly Nene, the supposed main heroine. In principle a nice character - if she wouldn't have to jerk off every five minutes. And naturally, her witch dress could be straight out taken from a sex shop. I'm certainly not opposed to the sexy witch trope, but the whole thing was just to embarass her anyway. It got old pretty fast and was more annoying that anything else. Tsumugi and Touko also didn't really click with me. While I didn't dislike them, they felt more like side characters. They were just not particular interesting or appealing.

What saved the VN for me was Meguru. She's some kind of nerd girl, full into games like 'MonHun' and had some really funny interactions with the protagonist. She wasn't directly affected by the witch powers (fortunately) and her worries were more about making friends and integrating into school. She also had good chemistry with Nene and the trio of her, Nene and the protagonist gave me very good friendship vibes. And one of the best things about her route was that Nene suddenly stopped jerking off every five minutes and turned normal. No idea why, but it was certainly a huge relief, because she was otherwise a nice and likable character.

This was the only route I finished. Tsumugi and Touko didn't really interest me and Nene's route would have turned without any doubt into a sex fest. An I don't really read Yuzusoft VN's for that.

Heroine ranking: Meguru > Nene >> Tsumugi >Touko

Overall rating: 6.5/10

Probably the weakest Yuzusoft I've read so far, both in regards of plot and characters, saved mainly by the cheerful Meguru.

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And yet another one I dropped...

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The last VN on my list is Amayui Castle Meister, which I unfortunatly didn't finish, but just dropped somewhere around chapter 5 I think. This VN has some major problems, and also a few peculiarities that can massively affect its enjoyment depending on the expectations of the reader.

Let's talk first about its peculiartities. This VN is all about Fia, a goddess and sole main heroine. After the protagonist accidentally awakens her at the beginning, he becomes her dedicated slave disciple. This is the first Eushully VN I've read, where you have no choice on which main heroine to choose. Considering the rather large cast of side heroines the protagonist usually gets involved anyway, this might seem meaningless, but at least for me it's still an important choice to make.
Now, this doesn't necessarily has to be a bad thing. If you're really into that heroine, this might be the best thing ever. Unfortunately for me, Fia is a slutty airhead boob loli, which describes almost exactly my most disliked character trope. To be fair, I didn't hate her, but having most of the plot and dialog just about her put a heavy strain on my enjoyment.

Now, let's have a look at the other heroines. And what kinda stands out, that there's a huge emphashis on lolis. Just from the list of main heroines it's 4 : 3, but at least in the first half, they get vastly more attention than the other heroines. Naming the VN "Amayui Loli Meister" would have been perfectly fitting. Now, I don't want this to be a rant about lolis. In fact, I found the duo of Iol & Micheju probably the best written characters and Lauros (the non-loli) the worst. The consequence was mostly that I tried to avoid H-scenes with them. Not sure if that's what was blocking my progress later on though.

Regarding the plot, it was pretty weak. But I also enjoyed Kami no Rhapsody despite its weak plot, so that's also not why I dropped the VN.

The killer was the actual gameplay. And no, I wouldn't say that the gameplay is inherently bad. Actually, I enjoyed the early stages quite a bit. The problems were more in how it developed. Amayui's combat resembles the one from Kamidori, which is somewhat infamous for its grindy nature. Having to play maps repeatedly to get certain materials can get quite repetitive. And a major factor that affects my enjoyment of those maps is their size and how fast they can be finished. I think the first three chapters or so, the pacing was still kind of okay, but after that it just got worse and worse.

There are a few key factors that vastly reduce the fun of the maps. The first one is the sheer size of them. Eushully has a tendency to think bigger is better and that's just not the case. If finishing a map takes an hour or even more, it really starts to bore me. And there a few more factors that emphasize that process.

The second factor would be the respawn portals. I absolutely hated them in Kamidori and I hate them here even more. And the bigger the maps get the more respawn portals are placed on them. It's so annoying to have defeated an enemy just to have it replaced immediately. It just drags the already slow pacing down even more.

The third factor would be the lack of AOE skills. In Kami no Rhapsody you could lure entire enemy groups into their doom by well placed AOE strikes. But here you have to kill each enemy unit on its own. And with increasing immunities the maps get more and more like gables with less and less tactics involved. Oh, you've sent your perfect counter unit with the other group into a different direction because you couldn't know that it's required here? Too bad, now you have to waste lots of time to change positions. Combine that with respawn portals and slow movement and you can imagine the 'fun'.

But that's not all. Just for Amayui they introduced a new gameplay atrocity - Fia's f***ing monuments. In order to progress you have to give Fia her powers back by cleansing her monuments. Any do you know the best thing about it? Only Avaro himself (and later Dietheim) can do it. So having to clear a huge dungeon with respawn portals with a dozen characters to move isn't enough, Avaro has to go everywhere himself to cleanse all the monuments spread around it. Oh, and there's usually a time limit of 40 rounds, so if you haven't made it in that time, you have to play it again. Even if already cleansed monuments stay that way, all the enemys and respawn portals are back - have fun!

So yeah, no way I'll touch that game again with those kind of design flaws again.

Heroine ranking: Kisnir > Iol > Micheju >Fia > Lauros > Katlit (Roselyne and Mikschana weren't in my party yet, so I can't really judge them)

Overall rating: 5/10

I would only recommmend this to people who are more into lolis and Fia in particular, with a huge patience for slow grinding.

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Yesterday I finished second route in Hoshi Ori Yume Mirai. This time I went for Marika's route. It was extremely heartwarming and wholesome experience - especially in console version, which adds one of the most heart-melting scenes near the ending.

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Console version expands upon the topic of pregnancy and waiting for the baby - those additional scenes have Ryousuke and Marika getting all excited when they feel the baby kicks and such similar stuff. It was really sweet.

(+18 version seems to have only preggo sex scene instead 😕 )

Based on the two routes I read so far (Sora and Marika) I can see why this game is a love-or-hate thing - but for me it definitely lands on the "love" side, since I don't mind pure SoL at all, and the (let's admit - heavily idealized) way it portrays love also scratches all the right itches ;) It isn't the kind of VN I'd read one after another, but once in a while it's great. Just like with sweets I guess ;)

After those two routes my gameplay clock reads 47 hours, and completion rate is at 30%, so this will be a looong journey.

Now I'm starting Natsuki's route. Then I'll go with Misa, and I save Rikka and Touko for the last, since apparently those two routes are quite different from the rest - at least that's what I can get from reviews I saw.

 

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Continuing with HoshiOri, today I finished Natsuki's route.

While "school" part of the route wasn't anything special (decent, but not outstanding), I really enjoyed her after story. It was - as it's standard with this VN - "just" a series of SoL scenes, but somehow they really clicked with me.

Also, I think this was the first route that featured prominent additional "story" content as replacement for skipped h-scenes.

(The console edition (+17) goes for the "off screen sex" approach, but it doesn't pretend that sex didn't happen - quite the opposite actually, it just doesn't show the act itself)

In Sora's and Marika's case those were mostly afterglow/pillow talk scenes, but with Natsuki's route there was much more.
 

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First, summer festival date in the school part:
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And second - numerous bath scenes in after story, where they had some really sweet conversations:
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Also, during the beach date in the after story, there's additional CG, and Natsuki has new swimsuit:
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Besides those, there were also other smaller story-enhancing additions sprinkled here and there - really good job :)

I have to admit that those additional scenes heavily contributed to my enjoyment of Natsuki's route - they were really well thought out, and I was surprised to see them missing from original +18 version, since they felt like they should be there right from the beginning.

So now, after 60 hours of reading, I guess I'm near the half? Now there are Misa, Rikka and Touko left.

 

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After probably like 30 social events in the last three months I finally finished being social for this year (con season) and now I can finally play games again. Sadly I realized that my hard drive kinda fucked up and all the savedata is dead. Means I gotta start from new for a bunch of my eroge. It does not matter, I'm happy finally having time again to actually pursue this passion instead of playing meta chess guy in the scene.

Will keep you updated on what I play once it happens :P

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Started reading Kourin no Machi, Lavender no Shoujo.

Looks like I haven't learned once again from picking up a game by studio. This has been on my list for a long time due to being related to Sharin no Kuni, which holds a special place for me. But different writer means the game is pretty much unrelated.

It's not bad, but it's nowhere near Sharin no Kuni. Sakuragi Hikaru is kind of interesting. Riko is also kind of funny with how she naturally messes with the teacher. She also feeds animals weird stuff, lol. Poisonous mushroom - give it to the rabbit. Expired milk - give it to the dog.

The Engrish is so cringe lol. I am alive hard = 私は一生懸命生きています。

The drama is pretty cheap, we'll see where it goes from here.

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Playing Our World Is Ended. 😉Chapter Five. First route. Most of the times, I see it like a second-rate (or third-rate) Steins;Gate😅The Art is nice but the rest is just a bit...too average. A positive point One of the main characters is voiced by Sugita Tomokazu🥰

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Today I finished Misa's route in HoshiOri.

While it was nice, I feel like it was the weakest of the four so far - although I cannot put my finger on why exactly... There were many nice moments, and Misa is ridiculously cute, but something was missing.

But, whatever the case, now it's Rikka's turn! Let's see what the fuss is all about :D

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Yesterday I started the famous Rikka's route in HoshiOri. I'm just a few days into it (still in June - I played only for 2 hours) but it's on another level already 😮:100:

Look's like I'm in for a treat. And Rikka seems to be awesome character. I already liked to see how she opened up to others during other routes - I'm really looking forward to how they elaborate on that in her own route. For now she seems to be one of the cutest tsunderes I encountered so far :abilove:.

Also, her VA is extremely versatile - it's really hard to imagine that the person who voices Rikka also gave voice to characters like Airi from MashiroIro Symphony, Amane from Konosora, Satouin from Anokana or Karen from Making Lovers among others 😮

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6 hours ago, adamstan said:

Also, her VA is extremely versatile - it's really hard to imagine that the person who voices Rikka also gave voice to characters like Airi from MashiroIro Symphony, Amane from Konosora, Satouin from Anokana or Karen from Making Lovers among others 😮

She does Misaki in Chrono Clock as well, which I'm currently reading. I'm a big fan of her work, but I'm not very fond of Karen in particular, because I think her voice sounds a bit too artificial/strained there. Other than that, I most recently heard her as Momoko in Koikari, which I enjoyed a lot.

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At first I was planing to read this month Love sweet garnish, but then I realized I had to pay $4 for the 18 patch, well I will wait for a steam sale... In the end I started reading Tsukihime last night, I just started reading it, but I'm already loving it.

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Yesterday I finished Rikka's route in HoshiOri

It was indeed quite different from the previous four routes when it comes to the structure and style, and it was great :)

Rikka's school arc was amazing - both the first part, where she gradually opened up to Ryousuke and the rest of the girls, and the second, where she confronts her inner conflict. Meguru was also very welcome side character :) BTW the story of two pianist sisters reminded me about Yui and Rea from Parfait - the stories are different, but for some reason I immediately thought about them.

After story was also very nice and heartwarming. BTW - I'm a sucker for marriage endings, so this VN so far was truly a feast for me ❤️ It's also worth noting, that console edition got vastly extended post-credits epilogue. In the original PC version it was just single scene of

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Rikka and her twin daughters sitting at the piano.

and the game ends there. In console version we get another arc after that - basically an after-after-story, and it was great

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The whole Shionagi-friends group gets together once again and prepare a special guest performance for school festival. It was great to see the whole group doing something together again ❤️ It ends with Rikka and Ryousuke going on the night date on the beach, talking about their plans for the future - among the other things, Rikka suggests going to the love hotel, and speaks about having a third baby  ;)

So now, with 102 hours under my belt, my feelings towards this VN are similar to @Seraphim's - my top routes are definitely Rikka and Sora, although I'm not sure which one wins. While Rikka's route was definitely of "highest quality", Sora's route had a bit higher emotional impact on me. Maybe it was because I read it first?

Now let's see, what Touko's route has for me :) I honestly have no idea what to expect, since Touko remains rather mysterious character, but I'm eager to find out :)

The only hint I can go by is that some people say that there's minor spoiler for Touko's route in Rikka's route. The only thing that comes to mind is

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When Ryousuke walks near the park with Rikka and they observe children (and among those, one girl) playing soccer, he mentions that when he was little, there was also a girl that used to play with them. Rikka asks if that was Marika, but Ryousuke replies that no, since during that time she wasn't leaving the house much due to her illness. Could this girl be Touko - making the route's setup a bit like Sora's? Let's see :)

 

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