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I finished Onizuka's route:

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Although i started Anekouji for Kirsti, Onizuka quickly became my favorite, i couldn't wait to play Minato Carnival FD for her route to be honest. It was obvious from the start she was strong but she's way over the top, seems that she's one of the top 3 strongest, if not the strongest character in Anekouji from what i've seen yet, definitely at least at the level of Tsujidou or Maki. Not only that she's quite cute and an excelent cook :p, loving her mixed personality as well. It was a really fun route, but it had one shortcoming, it ended to soon, it left to many things up in the air, compared to other Minato done routes it felt like it ended midway. That said its better then nothing :p. 

 

I'm probably going to continue Maki's ark now in Virgin Road.

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On 5/6/2018 at 3:31 PM, ChaosRaven said:

The not so good story-parts usually got revealed if you started to think a bit deeper about some things like...

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the whole IBN 5100 plot device being absolutely bogus, since no company with a remote glimmer of common sense would handle security by using an ancient computer and then send terror groups out to find existing ones of them to avoid being hacked. Maybe if it would have been something like the Enigma encryption machine used in WW2, but it was not even that and just about the programming language which made even less sense. And even an Enigma like encryption machine would be a disastrous security mearsurement by today's standards.

And then they made human experiments when they were still so far away from succeeding, that experiments with animals or basic items would have made much more sense and wouldn't have drawn as much attention. They were essentially doing plain executions and begging to be discovered. Overall, almost everything CERN did was triple-facepalm material.

And while the D-Mail thing had still some believeable parts, with certain scientific break-throughs only be discovered by accident, the time-leap engine was an entirely different matter. I mean, I don't even want to go into detail why using the gravity of a black hole to 'compress data' from a few terra bytes to just 36 byte is so outrageously dumb, that Einstein would't just turn in his grave - he would rotate!!! But building this whole machine pretty much overnight in a perfectly working state, pretty much makes me think that building an imperial class star destroyer shouldn't take them much longer than the coffee break by that standard. And those are just the highlights.

 

I wanted to comment on your points and add a few things from myself, but I decided against it since I only watched the anime, and I'm sure that the VN version could lead to many things a lot better. But, yeah, Steins;Gate has quite a lot of little things like that that simply don't make any sense. As a result, the story is pretty much filled with plot holes of different importance, and I had to put quite a lot of effort to keep my suspension of disbelief intact. I find it kind of understandable, sci-fi VNs generally are pretty bad at making technical stuff and "science" actually realistic and believable (and that's why I prefer fantasy). Chaos;Head, for example, has it even worse: it takes Born's ideas about the nature of observation in quantum mechanics (and you could say that they are actually closer to philosophy than to science), completely misinterprets them, and in the end we basically have an urban fantasy visual novel that pretends to be sci-fi. Well, this all is pretty understandable, making an accurate sci-fi world is a pretty impossible task since the author has to have a good understanding of quite a lot of different fields of science and a lot of other stuff. And usually making it very realistic isn't even very important, because most viewers/readers aren't even going to notice that there's anything wrong with that. Still, you can't really blame people who actually notice these things from criticizing the novel, because they do take away from your enjoyment.

Oh, and I actually like Steins;Gate anime. Which is quite surprising, considering that among the characters I only liked Okabe... and Suzuha, I guess? Still, even with all the cringe-worthy moments, the story was pretty interesting and relatively well-structured (excluding several completely pointless plot arcs). These moments, on the other hand, definitely took away quite a lot from my enjoyment, and I would prefer that they simply weren't there.

On 5/6/2018 at 3:49 PM, wei123 said:

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how having his mom eat more veggies would suddenly turn him into a girl. I know it's fiction, but come on man.

 

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Remind me, was his mother already pregnant when she got the D-Mail, or was she still planning pregnancy? If it's the later, than you could always say it was a Butterfly effect (even though it's still questionable how it led to the desirable effect).

 

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6 hours ago, Dreamysyu said:

 

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Remind me, was his mother already pregnant when she got the D-Mail, or was she still planning pregnancy? If it's the later, than you could always say it was a Butterfly effect (even though it's still questionable how it led to the desirable effect).

 

 

According to the SG wikia, his mother was already pregnant.

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So I'm in Kyou's route and man Yuuma is pretty dumb and he has shitty friends.

 

Oh and honestly, I just don't see the appeal of watching porno with friends, especially if there isn't some kinda circlejerk at the end of it...I mean what a waste!

Tuna and mayonnaise on a pizza? Seriously what the fuck?

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8 hours ago, Dreamysyu said:

I wanted to comment on your points and add a few things from myself, but I decided against it since I only watched the anime, and I'm sure that the VN version could lead to many things a lot better. But, yeah, Steins;Gate has quite a lot of little things like that that simply don't make any sense. As a result, the story is pretty much filled with plot holes of different importance, and I had to put quite a lot of effort to keep my suspension of disbelief intact. I find it kind of understandable, sci-fi VNs generally are pretty bad at making technical stuff and "science" actually realistic and believable (and that's why I prefer fantasy). Chaos;Head, for example, has it even worse: it takes Born's ideas about the nature of observation in quantum mechanics (and you could say that they are actually closer to philosophy than to science), completely misinterprets them, and in the end we basically have an urban fantasy visual novel that pretends to be sci-fi. Well, this all is pretty understandable, making an accurate sci-fi world is a pretty impossible task since the author has to have a good understanding of quite a lot of different fields of science and a lot of other stuff. And usually making it very realistic isn't even very important, because most viewers/readers aren't even going to notice that there's anything wrong with that. Still, you can't really blame people who actually notice these things from criticizing the novel, because they do take away from your enjoyment.

I think Stein's Gate doesn't take itself too seriously. It has a bit too much comedy and slice of life elements for that. It's therefore sometimes a bit confusing when they are intentionally mocking the issue or just misunderstood some things. But the whole mixture was probably an important reason for the huge success of the VN.

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I finished To Heart 2 yesterday. It was great experience for me. I just had to get used to the interface (no separate textbox), but it went smoothly.

It is "mother of moeges" (at least for translated ones :) ) - there were sooo many familiar things I recognized from later games I've read. I liked all routes - Yuma route felt somewhat weaker than the others for me, but it was still enjoyable, I just felt that in some places it didn't flow as smoothly as the rest.

I can't decide on best girl - all were sweet.

First route I read was Konomi - nice start, and good one to start with, as her route makes also most of the "common". Next was Tama-nee :wub: I thought she will be my best girl, but then other strong contenders appeared ;)

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I agree, that Tama-nee can be considered early Momoyo prototype :D

Also, in her route we see the all-girls-school "beloved Onee-sama" trope.

However, she still is somewhere around the top.

Next onto Sasara. After reading some posts I was little afraid, but it actually was good too. I agree - the MC's stubborness was a little over the top, but I was (or probably still am) on similar levels of stupidity, so can't really complain :P Being scolded by Tama-nee (which she also did in Ruuko route) actually gave me some food for thought. And Sasara herself was sweet.

Manaka - she probably is the MOEst of them all. Nice and sweet route, with some drama thrown in - very good.

Yuma - the tsundere. Lots of funny moments, but later I feel there were some jumps in the story, therefore it is the weaker route for me - but still OK. "Don't think that means you have won!"

Karin - nothing special, but nice. "Guess who?"

Yuuki - this route took me somewhat by surprise - it was great. Yuuki was beautiful and nice, and her ending had some of the KeyMagicTM (it wouldn't feel out of place in "Little Busters"). Little short, but definitely one of the best routes for me.

The Twins (Sango & Ruuri) - nice. Ending was... erm... interesting ;)

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Twins route in Konosora seems to borrow heavily from this. And then the android girl looks like she inspired AIESS from Majikoi A-2

Ruuko - out-of-this-world setting ;) , but very enjoyable route. Ruuko is easily one of the best girls in this game. "Ruu!"

 

Art (characters and backgrounds) looks good. Music was very nice too. And the animated OP was amazing - it's pretty rare to see full animated scenes in VN OP instead of just character sprites with credits next to them and some effects.

Translation was decent - there some missing or redundant words here and there, but no game-breakers.

Overall - 8/10 from me.

 

Now for what to read next, I have to decide between Adventure of Lifetime, Fureraba or Snow Sakura.

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I've been going through playthroughs of various bad OELVNs on YouTube (it makes it possible to avoid giving money to bad devs, among other upsides like not being bound to my PC while watching them :p), including some Winged Cloud games and I'm actually quite disturbed by how they've just gone shittier and lazier as time went on... The short, free Sakura games are the absolute crap as expected, but I think the "mainline", commercial ones are also becoming even more uninspired and shittily made. And I'm not even sure If I can blame that on the company, it's pretty clear that after investing more money and effort into Dungeon and Fantasy they realized that making the bare-minimum-effort ecchi trash is more profitable. People really should have a bit more respect for themselves, even when looking for fap material. :amane:

I have to give a shoutout to Bosskwar though, who makes these games more fun than they have any right to be. And help me not spend money on stuff that I want to check out, but know that the devs behind it are not worth supporting. :P

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Well i went back to Tsujidou-san no Virgin Road and finished Maki's after route... i expected something longer... it was to short... Fun but to short, like so short i didn't believed it was over, i kept going back 2 recombine the two selections time and time again because i couldn't believe it...

 

Anyway time to finish up what i have left in Tsujidou-san no Jun'ai Road, i got some of the extra's in Ai's route left and i want to finish Renna's route.

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I read Flowers -Le Volume sur Printemps- few days ago, and it was, uhh.. a very mixed bag for me. I don't think I've ever read a VN as at times aggravating, yet still somehow enjoyable. But Flowers definitely did some things right, (even when excluding the precious treasure that is Kawashima Rino as Yuzuriha) because here I'm now, reading the sequel Flowers -Le Volume sure Été-.

And this time honestly enjoying myself. Yaegaki is more to my liking as a protagonist. Souh was already pretty relatable, but Yaegaki is even more so, although in different ways. Plus, I think it's nice having a bit more active and outspoken protagonist. Girls, both new and the ones from before are still really cute. Story feels more focused too, I think, and even the "mysteries" so far have been better.

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I just finished  Sora to Umi ga, Fureau Kanata (Adventure of Lifetime) today. It was good, despite being short. It took me just under 7 hours to complete both routes - but I skipped thru common route the second time. This is what you get, when you cut almost all SoL from moege ;)

It is pretty light hearted. Both girls and their routes are nice. There is some drama, but nothing heavy.

Art and music is typical Pulltop - if you played Konosora or Miagete you'll feel right at home ;)

Translation is OK. As always, there are some awkward lines, but not too many. "Grandmama" for "Obaasama" (that's how Emily calls Machiko) is... umm... e-to... weird  choice, reminding me somehow of "Asa-bat" from SakuSaku. Then there are some lines with missing words (mostly particles), but overall it reads OK. And that's definitely no machine translation, there had to be some humans involved ;) It seems that the RNG gods that picked translation team for MoeNovel were feeling generous this time ;)

I thoroughly enjoyed it, so it gets 8 from me. Short, but fun.

 

Now onto Snow Sakura.

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2 hours ago, adamstan said:

I just finished  Sora to Umi ga, Fureau Kanata (Adventure of Lifetime) today. It was good, despite being short. It took me just under 7 hours to complete both routes - but I skipped thru common route the second time. This is what you get, when you cut almost all SoL from moege ;)

It is pretty light hearted. Both girls and their routes are nice. There is some drama, but nothing heavy.

Art and music is typical Pulltop - if you played Konosora or Miagete you'll feel right at home ;)

Translation is OK. As always, there are some awkward lines, but not too many. "Grandmama" for "Obaasama" (that's how Emily calls Machiko) is... umm... e-to... weird  choice, reminding me somehow of "Asa-bat" from SakuSaku. Then there are some lines with missing words (mostly particles), but overall it reads OK. And that's definitely no machine translation, there had to be some humans involved ;) It seems that the RNG gods that picked translation team for MoeNovel were feeling generous this time ;)

I thoroughly enjoyed it, so it gets 8 from me. Short, but fun.

 

Now onto Snow Sakura.

Just wondering - how many hours do you read a day? You seem to go through VNs quite quickly.

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8 hours ago, snowbell55 said:

Just wondering - how many hours do you read a day? You seem to go through VNs quite quickly.

When I'm into a VN usually I spend most of my free time reading. So it ranges from 3 to 5 hours on a weekday, and even up to 8-10 on Saturday. On average I'd say 4-5 hrs a day. Now, when I count it like this, it gets a little scary... :o

 

Of course sometimes I take breaks, as VNs aren't my only hobby/pastime, but still...

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On 08.05.2018 at 11:09 PM, +StrikeR+ said:

Well i went back to Tsujidou-san no Virgin Road and finished Maki's after route... i expected something longer... it was to short... Fun but to short, like so short i didn't believed it was over, i kept going back 2 recombine the two selections time and time again because i couldn't believe it...

 

Anyway time to finish up what i have left in Tsujidou-san no Jun'ai Road, i got some of the extra's in Ai's route left and i want to finish Renna's route.

Envy, envy, envy... Argh, lucky you) I also want to be able to read it but... ENVY! Such i s life i guess. Now i'm reading Tsujidou-san no Jun'ai Road, first time in English at last. After 2 routes struggling with translators 4 years ago. Feels like i'm in heaven.

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16 minutes ago, cro-mag said:

Envy, envy, envy... Argh, lucky you) I also want to be able to read it but... ENVY! Such i s life i guess. Now i'm reading Tsujidou-san no Jun'ai Road, first time in English at last. After 2 routes struggling with translators 4 years ago. Feels like i'm in heaven.

I should probably be shutting up that its better to play Azu-nyan's route in Virgin Road before doing Renna's in Jun'ai Road then..... I kind of get why the author of the translation wasn't to eager about translating  her route in Virgin Road. If i did it regularly/normally i would have probably disliked Azusa to a degree, but luckily that wasn't the case.

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3 minutes ago, +StrikeR+ said:

I should probably be shutting up that its better to play Azu-nyan's route in Virgin Road before doing Renna's in Jun'ai Road then..... I kind of get why the author of the translation wasn't to eager about translating  her route in Virgin Road. If i did it regularly/normally i would have probably disliked Azusa to a degree, but luckily that wasn't the case.

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You mean to say in Virgin Road they explained in more details why Azusa did what she did in Renna's route in first game? From what i understood via translators back then, Azusa was behind all these requisitions that happened in Shonan. Other than that it was quite difficult to understand, and i'm still yet to start Renna's route with English patch.

 

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You mean to say in Virgin Road they explained in more details why Azusa did what she did in Renna's route in first game? From what i understood via translators back then, Azusa was behind all these requisitions that happened in Shonan. Other than that it was quite difficult to understand, and i'm still yet to start Renna's route with English patch.

 

There's that to, at least to some extent, but

 

even from a story point of view there are various plot points given out that feel nicer transitioning from her story in virgin road to Renna's route then in reverse. In Renna's route its also made seem that she's a bit exaggerated as a mastermind or exaggerated upon some of her bad traits, in a way you could say she drived herself into a corner, in a way doing it regularly also works to see how she ended badly and isn't as bad as initially thought, problem is that it may be ruined if your left with to much of a bad impression of her from Renna's route.

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2 minutes ago, +StrikeR+ said:

There's that to, at least to some extent, but

 

 

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even from a story point of view there are various plot points given out that feel nicer transitioning from her story in virgin road to Renna's route then in reverse. In Renna's route its also made seem that she's a bit exaggerated as a mastermind or exaggerated upon some of her bad traits, in a way you could say she drived herself into a corner, in a way doing it regularly also works to see how she ended badly and isn't as bad as initially thought, problem is that it may be ruined if your left with to much of a bad impression of her from Renna's route.

 

I see. Well, it's not like i'm gonna be able to read her route in Virgin Road, so... But considering Azusa, i'm also curious about

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whether she picks a fight with Ai or Maki or not)) I read she's quite strong plus it seems fighting scenes are very good in Virgin Road, so it'd be interesting.

 

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I see. Well, it's not like i'm gonna be able to read her route in Virgin Road, so... But considering Azusa, i'm also curious about

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whether she picks a fight with Ai or Maki or not)) I read she's quite strong plus it seems fighting scenes are very good in Virgin Road, so it'd be interesting.

 

Well if you want to know:

Ai? no. Maki yes, and that fight is spectacular, in fact the song used (known as pride), became one of my favorites, she's the closest one to them in terms of power and the only other character that drived Maki into a corner, though she did had a bit of an assistance from someone acting as a sandbag for 2 seconds while she got ready :p

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2 minutes ago, +StrikeR+ said:

Well if you want to know:

 

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Ai? no. Maki yes, and that fight is spectacular, in fact the song used (known as pride), became one of my favorites, she's the closest one to them in terms of power and the only other character that drived Maki into a corner, though she did had a bit of an assistance from someone acting as a sandbag for 2 seconds while she got ready :P

 

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Nice! Thanks! Who did win? Please tell me it's Maki! I'ts gotta be her, yes? Also, do you have some info on that song? I quickly tried to look for some, found this site http://koe.anime-sharing.com/game-ost/tsujidou-san-no-virgin-road-soundtrack-12547/. But don't see any "pride" here... Maybe i'll find some torrent or so how i did with the original. 1st game also has great OST imo, very enjoyable.

 

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Nice! Thanks! Who did win? Please tell me it's Maki! I'ts gotta be her, yes? Also, do you have some info on that song? I quickly tried to look for some, found this site http://koe.anime-sharing.com/game-ost/tsujidou-san-no-virgin-road-soundtrack-12547/. But don't see any "pride" here... Maybe i'll find some torrent or so how i did with the original. 1st game also has great OST imo, very enjoyable.

 

Actually it ended in a draw, though there would be something more to add, but it would be a spoiler if you didn't finish Maki's route in Jun'ai Road. As for the song, its not part of the soundtrack, but its a different release called virgin road song cd, the song "pride" is performed by Keina

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Actually it ended in a draw, though there would be something more to add, but it would be a spoiler if you didn't finish Maki's route in Jun'ai Road. As for the song, its not part of the soundtrack, but its a different release called virgin road song cd, the song "pride" is performed by Keina

 

OK, thanks again. I'll try looking for song. I did finish one of Maki's routes with translators (normal skin), and don't actually remember what would be a spoiler... But maybe it's in the other one route, so we'll see.

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It's a shame this is a draw though. I have a feeling that they just didn't want to upset those people who like Azusa more than Maki, but... But if you're saying that Ai and Maki are the strongest, then please write a script where we can actually see it, where they fight with strong opponents and defeat them, and not their fights with just minor faceless delinquents. Shame on you, Minato Carnival. Life is cruel(

 

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6 minutes ago, cro-mag said:

OK, thanks again. I'll try looking for song. I did finish one of Maki's routes with translators (normal skin), and don't actually remember what would be a spoiler... But maybe it's in the other one route, so we'll see.

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It's a shame this is a draw though. I have a feeling that they just didn't want to upset those people who like Azusa more than Maki, but... But if you're saying that Ai and Maki are the strongest, then please write a script where we can actually see it, where they fight with strong opponents and defeat them, and not their fights with just minor faceless delinquents. Shame on you, Minato Carnival. Life is cruel(

 

If you finished her normal skin good ending and basically(i suggest only reading the spoiler if you know it was the good ending for her route):

Seen her all on the line fight with tsujidou, then i can get into the specifics

 

If not you can pm me or notify me in the tsujidou-san thread to continue the discussion, in fact it might be a better idea to do that starting now, i feel like we might've derailed the topic a bit to much. As for how formidable Ai and Maki are... Well they do show us that some of their enemies, (like baraki) are really strong. The thing is they are ridiculously strong.... I think they might be around the 4 devas level from Majikoi (with Maki's and Ai's mom

surpassing the wall of human strength).

What I'm really curious is Onizuka's level from anekouji:

 

who can level a factory just by releasing her true strength

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