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New "Loli/Shota" Policy & Details

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No, that has been banned like a week after l left my admin post, I even got all of my images deleted xD

 

What is now being banned is the DISCUSSION.

 

 

But hey, freedom of speech is for losers!

Youre so fucking full of yourself. Careful not to go to jail Steve for child pornography. As for me, I'd rather not go to jail and be labeled a sex offender for browsing Fuwanovel. Extreme example, I know, but users have to be protected here.

 

You already got us in trouble once for this sort of thing. 

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The thing gets more complicated when it's stated that "nearly naked" or "positions them sensually" is enough to fall under the ban. 

 

 

Simple fanservice CG might as well fall under this too.

 

I mean, I don't think panty shots are a bad thing, but panty shots with clearly visible cameltoes and or sexual asses is. Lolis who are sucking on something sexually is probably not a good idea as well.

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No, that has been banned like a week after l left my admin post, I even got all of my images deleted xD

 

What is now being banned is the DISCUSSION.

 

 

But hey, freedom of speech is for losers!

 

 

There are lots of different kinds of discussions that have always been bannable on these forums, don't pretend this used to be some wildland where you were free to post literally anything.

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Jokes aside, If I am to be honest about this whole issue, it's not even about lolicon, nor rule changes. It's about the staff board failing to react appropriately in the most demanding moment. Back then, when the thread appeared, mods should simply change the thread's name and adjust the wording; instead they let it fly like that. This whole thing would never happen otherwise and it's precisely this thing that bugs me and does not even get mentioned anywhere.

 

It's not the end of the world, either. As Tay stated, don't sexualize the lolis, don't bring up the topic of pedophilia, regardless whether it's a joke or not. You're free to talk about lolis/shotas as long as you keep it civil and go along with the common sense, which is, again: DON'T POST LOLI PICS WITH SEXUAL CONTENT.

 

I'm against censorship of any kind and as this might come as a surprise, I'm actually quite into lolis as well. I just never felt a need to post in any of the threads, or share my thoughts; it does not mean I'm entirely fond of actual changes, but not in a single way they restrict people from doing whatever they did. And yes, I don't think this will actually affect the vast majority of Fuwanovel's userbase in any way  ̄ー ̄

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Jokes aside, If I am to be honest about this whole issue, it's not even about lolicon, nor rule changes. It's about the staff board failing to react appropriately in the most demanding moment. Back then, when the thread appeared, mods should simply change the thread's name and adjust the wording; instead they let it fly like that. This whole thing would never happen otherwise and it's precisely this thing that bugs me and does not even get mentioned anywhere.

 

It's not the end of the world, either. As Tay stated, don't sexualize the lolis, don't bring up the topic of pedophilia, regardless whether it's a joke or not. You're free to talk about lolis/shotas as long as you keep it civil and go along with the common sense, which is, again: DON'T POST LOLI PICS WITH SEXUAL CONTENT.

Criticism of staff is usually done in private and directly to them. 

 

Or on Rens TS where we can berate them and insult them with no repercussions. 

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Let me put it this way.  Talk of VN lolis, basic normal pictures are fine. 

 

However, someone posted "Dinner Time" and then pictures of lolis in compromising positions. 

 

This is not O.K.  I don't know if it ever was, but definitely not anymore. 

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Youre so fucking full of yourself. Careful not to go to jail Steve for child pornography. As for me, I'd rather not go to jail and be labeled a sex offender for browsing Fuwanovel. Extreme example, I know, but users have to be protected here.

 

You already got us in trouble once for this sort of thing. 

 

Maybe its not problem with me nor you, but the country you live in, the article in my first post is a prime example. But lets not get into politics :)

 

 

Hmm, what are the loli laws in CZ anyway?

 

There are none but hey, our galleries are filled with much more 3d looking naked children and its fine xD So I guess people here understand that art is art, videogames are videogames and can be part of art and freedom of speech is kinda important (after we didn't have it for like half a century). So I guess its not as terrible country as I think it is, but still Luchland seems much better xD

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Maybe its not problem with me nor you, but the country you live in, the article in my first post is a prime example. But hey, lets not get into politics :)

 

 

 

There are none but hey, our galleries are filled with much more 3d looking naked children and its fine xD So I guess people here understand that art is art, videogames are videogames and can be part of art and freedom of speech is kinda important (after we didn't have it for like half a century). So I guess its not as terrible country as I think it is, but still Luchland seems much better xD

Until we are influential enough to change laws Steve, we must follow them. Get over it. 

 

Fuwanovel is following the law. Hell, Tay had to get a lawyer to protect himself from stuff on the site. 

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In response to Steve's objections, and him claiming a double standard: try to post a thread about how awful black people are, or that maybe Hitler was right all along, or some other similar kind of provocative and offensive discussion, and see how quickly mods swoop down on you. This is a private forum and you have never been entitled to totally free speech here. The rules on the forum have the intent of fostering a community where anyone can feel like they can post comfortably, and they are also now interested in protecting themselves from possible legal action, and this policy change is just another extension of this. This is just another off-limits topic like several others. You have not objected to those other topics being off-limits in the past, but now that a topic that is heavily pertinent to your interests is becoming off-limits, you take umbrage. It is you who is holding the double standard, you are only not okay with a banned topic of discussion if it is something you're personally interested in. The site's rules remain consistent in its primary interests.

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Until we are influential enough to change laws Steve, we must follow them. Get over it. 

 

Fuwanovel is following the law. Hell, Tay had to get a lawyer to protect himself from stuff on the site. 

 

Yeah yeah, but I don't think laws in the US forbids the discussion. Images sure but as I said those were banned ages ago right after I left and there was nobody to defend the ban.

 

But for text, there are still books about real child sex sold in the US so it must be fine. 2d girls are kinda like different species so its even more distant but I guess when having the discussions like we did about which H scene was good from oniichan sharing, it can come out sounding like its a 3d girl if someone reads it out of context... which is still not banned in the US as far as I know.

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Yeah yeah, but I don't think laws in the US forbids the discussion. Images sure but as I said those were banned ages ago right after I left and there was nobody to defend the ban.

 

But for text, there are still books about real child sex sold in the US so it must be fine. 2d girls are kinda like different species so its even more distant but I guess when having the discussions like we did about which H scene was good from oniichan sharing, it can come out sounding like its a 3d girl if someone reads it out of context... which is still not banned in the US as far as I know.

The USA isn't the only nation in the world, and not everyone is from the US here. We have to keep other cultures in mind to keep this site open. Go back to Mofu and quit stirring the pot here. You helped form a place for yourself 

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@Steve, @Solidbatman -- Alright guys, give it a rest. These are repeats of earlier, more fiery and spectacular wars. This thread is getting derailed.

 

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It's pretty difficult to see if people's questions have been answered. Who's still confused about what?

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I can understand banning things that fall under CP. However I request less vague limits, please compare to vndb for example:

vndb image policy of what is NSFW .

I know my rantings about details will be dismissed by people stating "common sense is enough", but I think a clear distinction is better in the length.

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I guess people here understand that art is art, videogames are videogames and can be part of art and freedom of speech is kinda important (after we didn't have it for like half a century). So I guess its not as terrible country as I think it is, but still Luchland seems much better xD

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Yeah yeah, but I don't think laws in the US forbids the discussion. Images sure but as I said those were banned ages ago right after I left and there was nobody to defend the ban.

 

But for text, there are still books about real child sex sold in the US so it must be fine. 2d girls are kinda like different species so its even more distant but I guess when having the discussions like we did about which H scene was good from oniichan sharing, it can come out sounding like its a 3d girl if someone reads it out of context... which is still not banned in the US as far as I know.

But discussion isn't banned. You can discuss HoshiMemo as much as you want, you just can't talk about how you want to bang x or y because discussions about pure porn should be better left in private chats with friends.

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I can understand banning things that fall under CP. However I request less vague limits, please compare to vndb for example:

vndb image policy of what is NSFW .

I know my rantings about details will be dismissed by people stating "common sense is enough", but I think a clear distinction is better in the length.

Loli/Shota rule: It's teh same as normal porn rules (no sex acts, genitals, etc.) plus:  If an image is focused on, accentuates, or exaggerates a character's nipples, vulva, or penis (with or without clothing) or positions them sensually (body position, wet panties, erection, nearly naked, etc.)

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In response to Steve's objections, and him claiming a double standard: try to post a thread about how awful black people are, or that maybe Hitler was right all along, or some other similar kind of provocative and offensive discussion, and see how quickly mods swoop down on you.

 

But that's not what this is at all, games depicting racism are exactly that, they are just depicting racism not encouraging it nor fighting against it, they just depict it just like it happens in the world. Same way games can depict wars just like they happen, people murdering each other just like it happens. It doesn't mean you do those things.

Besides comparing a hate towards a specific race or group of people to a consensual love that usually happens in the regular moege is not a good thing. Sure encouragement of rape and such is banned but that already is banned as well even while I was around. But this really is comparing hate with love.

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Maybe its not problem with me nor you, but the country you live in, the article in my first post is a prime example. But hey, lets not get into politics :)

 

Seeing as it's in your signature and all, it does seem like you want to get into politics. So let's talk about freedom of speech.

 

Have you asked yourself what this means? Having such a rich cultural background as you do, you should be able to know firsthand what are the effects of not having freedom of speech - it's not only about not being able to say exactly what's on your mind. It's about having to say something regardless of wanting to say it or not.

 

Soviet countries not only would forbid people to express views contrary to the government - they would try and educate people in Marxism and, if they didn't repeat what they had learnt to the letter, they'd be marked as suspiscious. Surely you know that, right? Surely you know people got shot down for speaking Ukranian on the streets and were forced to speak Russian? Thought as much. Because freedom of speech also entails freedom to stay silent, which doesn't exist when power restrains it.

 

Don't call yourself a freedom fighter when you're free to leave if you want and have the right not to say anything. Don't advocate freedom of speech as if it was a pure maiden that cruel moderators on a forum are violating. You mock the people of your country, of my country, of all countries who died trying to cross borders or got spied on by their homeland governments after they succeeded.

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