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New "Loli/Shota" Policy & Details

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Pedophilia is an extremely complicated and sensitive real-life issue, and presents a significant challenge to visual novel communities who want to promote thoughtful discussion but are faced with strict laws on one hand and deplorable internet rhetoric/insensitivity on the other. Many of you are aware of how far back and how divisive this issue has been. To protect the site from legal action and to resolve this issue once and for all, we have chosen to amend the site rules as follows. We're trying to strike a delicate balance here -- acknowledging this is part of the VN medium, and sensitive discussions of these topics are important. 

 

The new policy: Fuwanovel is not the place to discuss the nuances of pedophilia – in real life or in entertainment. Because they are a part of the traditional VN heritage of Japanese games, we acknowledge that mature, focused discussions of “loli” characters and routes within a visual novel are valid, and we will allow them within the Visual Novel discussion boards, but beyond those confines, Fuwanovel is just not the place for this topic. We have also clarified our rules for posted or linked images of "lolis" on the boards, which can be read below:

 

Brass Tacks:

  • If you want to discuss a “loli” character or route in a visual novel, you can do so in the VN boards with the caveat that crude, inflammatory, provocative or aggressive posts will be grounds for a topic’s deletion, without warning
  • Outside the realm of Visual Novels, Fuwanovel is simply not the place to discuss this complicated issue, and we ask you to avoid casual references to-, or discussions about-, pedophilia and the sexuality/sensuality of underage people or characters. This includes avoiding discussion or mention of porn- or sex-simulation games featuring underage or underage-appearing characters to the forums. 
  • Rules for images, avatars, and signatures: Do not post sexual pictures of underage characters. If an image is focused on, accentuates, or exaggerates a character's nipples, vulva, or penis or positions them sensually (body position, wet panties, nearly naked, etc.), you should not post it and it will be taken down.

 

Attitudes of the staff vary significantly on this issue, but this policy is presented – purposefully – without moral commentary. This is a tricky issue which presents real risks for the stability of the site, and ensuring the community’s longevity simply has to come first. 

 

TL;DR: Leave pedophilia, talking about a character's sexuality/sensuality if they're underage, and porn/sex-sim games, off of Fuwa. It's not the right place for those types of discussions.

 

Optional Tay Commentary: 

If you’ve been around Fuwa for a while, you’ll remember that Loligeddon has occurred no less than three times before this latest flare up. The site staff has really tried to do its best with this issue: each time it’s flared up we’ve had extensive discussions about how to handle it. The last 24 hours have been no different: the staff has an impressive 10-page thread full of walls of text, and I’ve had several private PMs with yet more walls of text. I’m telling you this because I want it to be clear that we/I haven’t been sitting on our/my duff. A lot of time, energy, angst, and salt has gone into taking this seriously.

 

Well, here’s the deal. This decision came as a result of two things:

  1. My first and foremost responsibility is to ensure Fuwanovel’s longevity so that the work and play we’ve all put into the site does not up and vanish. Changing hosts and domains (read: losing the anonymity of our old host and having a host and domain registrar in the US-Euro legal zone) has changed the ballgame significantly if we don't want to be blacklisted, have our hosting dropped, or get sued.
     
  2. I wasn’t being hyperbolic when I explained the energies we spend, as staff, to figuring out tough issues. If we do not address this issue meaningfully now, then it will only return later and rob us of yet more hours we could have spent building the site or building tools for the wider VN community.

 

After our lengthy staff discussion, talking to a lawyer, and learning a lot about our host and domain registrar, it became clear that we needed to play a more conservative game. Regardless of my own opinions on this issue, today’s policy change is purposefully presented for neutral reasons – I’m not making a moral point here.

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the tl;dr is: leave discussions of pedophilia, talking about a character's sexuality/sensuality if they're underage, and porn/sex-sim games, off Fuwa. It's not the right place for those discussions.

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Above everything,

 

Community Guidelines 3000 BCE - 2015 ©

 

 

If "it's not illegal" is your best excuse to post something that is fairly certain to upset others with no benefit for you or anyone else, don't post it. Freedom of speech is not a sentient being you should be white knighting or a shield you should use for your bullshit.

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As someone who took part in a few of those Loligeddon battles, and has constantly aimed for a more conservative approach, even I wonder if that third point is too far and too much of a restriction. 

 

I am in agreement with solidbatman regarding the 3rd point in these new set of rules. As part of the new policies however, I have removed my Shinobu signature.

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So it's fine to post and discuss about Child porn games in the VN board ?

the tl;dr is: leave pedophilia, talking about a character's sexuality/sensuality if they're underage, and porn/sex-sim games, off Fuwa. It's not the right place for those discussions.

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the tl;dr is: leave pedophilia, talking about a character's sexuality/sensuality if they're underage, and porn/sex-sim games, off Fuwa. It's not the right place for those discussions.

 

I don't know man that picture of llya looks pretty sexual to me /s 

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I'm somewhat worried about breaking the "casual references" point due to how ingrained in the culture this thing is at times. I feel moderately oppressed for some reason.

Yeah, that was probably poorly worded. Essentially: avoid tasteless jokes, etc.

 

As far as I know, we don't have any plans to hunt down every instance of "loli", for example... At least for everyone else. You've now been targeted, Swedish Viking Lord.

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the tl;dr is: leave pedophilia, talking about a character's sexuality/sensuality if they're underage, and porn/sex-sim games, off Fuwa. It's not the right place for those discussions.

 

Wait so does the porn/sex-sim games restriction apply to only underaged-character depiction games or all games in general ie. can't talk about SchoolMate or something

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Wait so does the porn/sex-sim games restriction apply to underaged-character depiction games or all games in general ie. can't talk about SchoolMate or something

It means outside of VN, there should be no discussion of under age characters if they are depicted in a sexual nature.

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Tay, what are you doing to my site? I'm sending you a PM. We need to revert some of these changes.

As I told you on skype: Your capacity for evil continues to surprise me ; P‏

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