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Should I tell them that "VN ≠ Eroge"?

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Instead of being focused on the terminology, you could try to teach them more about VNs or give them more information first instead which allows them to come to the conclusion by themselves.

You could tell them about non-H VNs and talk about them. Eventually or perhaps with a little push, they may ask you, " wait... This eroge doesn't have H-scenes, it's and eroge without ero" to which you can respond by saying it's a VN and then explain the differance between eroge and VNs.

Roundabout I know, but I usually go this way of giving them imformation and trying to lead them to ask the questions themselves.

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Tell them to read a non-eroge VN (like Narcissu, it's short and easily accessible).

Then, tell them to play a non-VN eroge. Ideally something with as little text as possible, like Punisher - that's a pure platform game without any text at all (well, maybe not the best example - it's not suitable for sane people :P).

This should help them understand what's the difference between "VN" and "eroge".

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Tell them to read a non-eroge VN (like Narcissu, it's short and easily accessible).

No offense to Narcissu fans but had that been my first VN I never would've picked up another one, probably (the heavily limited art assets being one of the reasons). It's just not a good demonstration of the medium in my opinion.

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^ Yeah, it was just an example I picked because of it's accessibility - it's obviously not for everyone (definitely not suitable for people who don't like drama or titles without good artwork).

I wasn't supposed to be a good demonstration of the whole medium, though. Just the all-ages part of it.

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I must say, I had the impression VNs = eroge back in the day, as well.

And it's not particularly wrong, per se. There are good amounts of visual novels with sexual content after all.

*Granted, I started my journey into VNs with a Nukigee, so that was quite certainly an Eroge

This is just one of those things you can't figure out unless you actually go and do it though.

Like what happens whenever you tell people to read Onani Master Kurosawa.

Everyone looks at you like you're crazy, but if they ever actually read it, it's just so much more.

 

I'd actually guess Symphonic Rain wouldn't be too bad a place to start.

Never played the all-ages version of Deardrops, but think that might be good, too.

And then there's always Ever 17, which actually goes out of the way to not show the sex scenes?

Or was that just a version I was playing.

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So some of you don't care whether vn=eroge, some of you accept that just fine and the others want to clear the misunderstanding. In the first place, when and where the term VN officially used and who the hell did it for what purpose. He/they should know VN better than most of us.

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In the first place, when and where the term VN officially used and who the hell did it for what purpose.

So non-Japanese players don't have to remember a bunch of Japanese terms that they have no idea what the hell do they mean.

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In the first place, when and where the term VN officially used and who the hell did it for what purpose. He/they should know VN better than most of us.
Genres don't work like that. They aren't created by one person/group, they just pop up naturally. And if they make describing and classifying stuff easier, they stay.

 

In Japan, what we label as "VNs" is divided into two main genres - the vast majority of titles are classified as adventure games (all those that have a textbox), while some are called "novel games" or "visual novels" (those that display the text over entire screen, like Fate/Stay Night). But, since we already had the adventure games genre on the West (point-and-click stuff), and it's completely different than jADV, the VN term was adopted for the whole medium. And it works.

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So non-Japanese players don't have to remember a bunch of Japanese terms that they have no idea what the hell do they mean.

Genres don't work like that. They aren't created by one person/group, they just pop up naturally. And if they make describing and classifying stuff easier, they stay.

 

In Japan, what we label as "VNs" is divided into two main genres - the vast majority of titles are classified as adventure games (all those that have a textbox), while some are called "novel games" or "visual novels" (those that display the text over entire screen, like Fate/Stay Night). But, since we already had the adventure games genre on the West (point-and-click stuff), and it's completely different than jADV, the VN term was adopted for the whole medium. And it works.

So the term is just for naming/grouping covenience, I see.

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VN = Animal.

Eroge = Dog.

Dog = Animal, Animal # Dog.

Eroge = VN, VN # Eroge.

 

So... why did people continue to argue after this post and seemingly ignored simple and plain old logic?

 

Seriously, whether VNs started off as Eroge to establish the medium (since sex sells) or not does not matter at all, the present is what does and it is a fact that it becomes more and more possible for All Ages VN Creators to become financially successful (turning their hobby into a living) since at least a part of the potential readers which acknowledge the medium do not mind if there is no H and even pay for a good or funny story (it does not even need to be Youtube-hyped).

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I love the irony in this.

 

Sex in movies? All part of the story!

 

Sex in vns? Go watch hentai.

 

Anyways, people are horribly losing out. To miss stuff like fate/stay night and Devil on G-string just because of few H-Scenes is like not going to a music concert because you dont like warm-up bands.

 

 

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Damn, that link makes me realize that I like 2D arts much more than half-baked 3D arts.

To be fair, that is old game.

Though Illusion games do significantly vary in art style, so some of the newer titles are (arguably) uglier than that. 

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