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    Funyarinpa got a reaction from Ruvik in "Get The Hell Out Of Here" VNs   
    Some VN's put you in a setting from which you need to escape, with usually fewer than 10 other characters having a place in the VN. They can take the form of "death game", "accident" or "a string of seemingly inexplicable events".
     
    I would like to make a list of those VN's. They'll be separated by if they are translated or not. Any info, corrections, or suggestions about these VN's will be greatly appreciated.
     
    The VN's marked by a * have different names in their localisations or translations. Those will be covered in the Appendix.
     
    Translated
     
    9 Hours, 9 Persons, 9 Doors
     
    Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward*
     
    Ever17 -the out of infinity-
     
    Remember11 -the age of infinity-
     
    Danganronpa*
     
    Danganronpa 2*
     
    Killer Queen
     
    euphoria
     
    Soul Link
     
    Corpse Party Blood Covered
     
    Corpse Party: Book Of Shadows
     
    Moon.
     
    Umineko no Naku Koro ni
     
    Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru
     
    Swan Song
     
    Cross Channel
     
    Rinkaiten ~Critical Point~
     
    Bakudan★Handan
     
    Secret Game
     
    Secret Game Code: Revise
     
    Dustmania Grotesque ~Kaitai Sounyuu Shinsho~
     
    Untranslated
     
    Root Double -Before Crime * After Days-
     
    Corpse Party: BloodDrive
     
    13-nin no Uruwashiki Kedamono
     
    JOKER -Shisen no Hate no Doukeshi-
     
     
    Appendix
     
    VN's With Different Names In Localizations



  2. Confused
    Funyarinpa got a reaction from Zakamutt in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    (This is difficult to write. Also, it's going to get personal, and if you need any trigger warnings, it's probably best to stay away, this might be disturbing for you.) IF YOU ARE NOT OF LEGAL AGE OR YOUNGER THAN 18 YEARS OLD, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT READING THIS MIGHT DO TO YOU, I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. 
    I found this website very shortly after I got into VNs, because I was looking for a way to play Ever17. That was 2014, and I was 14 then.
    It's been... five years. Fuwa meant a lot to me in that time, and I think it still does now. By making me an ardent fan of VNs this place sidetracked my entire academic career (love to read 'em and post on forums too much now  ) and as such will always hold a place in my life and heart. I still have one of the highest post counts on here, and I've seen a whole ton of people come and go. I'm one of the old guard so to speak, and I'm proud of that, in a way. Fuwa has changed in big and small ways since I joined... I wasn't here for Aaeru, but I was here for Okami and Ren and more Fuwapocalypses I can count.
    But I'll be leaving. It's a hard decision, but I think I've long truly left the things that once connected me to this forum in the first place. I don't know if I can or will get my account deleted, or do anything of the sort... I don't know how I feel, ultimately, about having been a part of this place for 5 years. I'm trying not to stop writing, because my decision to leave has to do with one of the most disgusting personal issues I've ever had and it's easy to give up on writing this and close the tab, and move on with my day.
    It's hard to sort out what I want to say. Since I'll be leaving, I also want to give my gratitude to this website and particularly some of its people, but I'll try to leave that to the end, ö. First, I want to discuss why Fuwanovel, and the VN community as a whole, hurt me at large. I've not posted extensively on here for a long time. And I think it'll end up staying that way.
    One of the reasons I started to get less involved here was that I got the impression we had some Trump supporters here (just as a general sentiment). But seeing as I continue to participate on other websites which also condone such bigotry, I can't really say that that's the only reason I am leaving. It's the administration's prerogative to allow that. 
    Another, more involved reason was actually due to something more general to the VN community (and actually even more generally, the anime/manga community). 
    The extent to which we condone harmful pornography. 
    Back then in 2014, when this was the main place I talked to people about my interests, this was also a slightly different place. We had a vigilante sort of doctrine, whereby we distributed torrents of fan translated visual novels to build a fanbase by simply getting people to pirate the games we loved. Many of you reading this (and probably the three of you that care) already know this, but anyways. I don't know how well it worked or how much it contributed in the end, but it hooked me. 
    Another aspect of 2014 Fuwanovel, however, was more insidious... Loli shit.
    I remember particularly a fellow going by the name of Steve being absolutely bonkers about this shit. Posting loli stuff everywhere. But this is not a Steve callout post.
    We've all heard the rationalizations... "It's fictional", "It keeps actual pedos from offending", "I am a lolicon because they're cute", "Free speech means nothing I say, do or condone has any consequence", the list goes on.
    But at the end of the day we had (have) a lot of people who still thought and think it's a perfectly normal and safe thing to do to jack off to drawings of children. If you're here to debate this with me, just close the tab and save yourself the trouble.
    Now, especially if you're a newer member, you might be confused about this loli stuff, they don't seem very prevalent now. Well, that's because the hosting service that runs the servers for the entire forum forced Fuwanovel to get rid of any loli pornography out of legal concerns a few years ago. There was a lot of mod-related drama about it before, too.
    So what's the issue if it's banned on here now?
    Well... 3 things. 1. I've seen no self reflection or serious discussion of this, I don't think I've seen anyone seriously reflect on the extremity of pornography that is allowed to condone here. 2. The mentality that normalized being a "lolicon" (in normal person terms, pedophile) is still alive. 3. I've realized how much it hurt me. 
    Acting like there's no repercussions to enjoying jerking off to ANY DEPICTION OF children, or rape, or coercion, or manipulation (and probably incest) all-too-common in visual novels is... reductive. It's dangerous. We might've enabled someone who saw the lolicon posts on this forum, and decided to make that a reality- and we'll never know. But whether that happened or not is irrelevant. At the end of the day, Fuwanovel is still a place where even if you can't talk about loli stuff, you can talk about Starless or any number of games that make a fetish out of depraved, fucked up, harmful, sexist shit, without examining what it does to you or other people. 
    I know there's no question of whether it's harmful or not, because I've slowly come to realize that it directly hurt me and my mentality about sex and sexuality. 
    Now, it might be because that I browsed this place while underage for years. Maybe my parents should've known better than to let me use the internet unsupervised. Maybe just warping the mentalities of children and teenagers is a worthy price to pay to freely discuss VNs. Maybe *I* should've known better, but known better than to stay in this place after I saw the word "lolicon" be used in casual conversation for the first time.
    But in direct part thanks to VNs and attitudes I saw on here, I became someone desensetized to and able to condone (and get off to) absolutely disgusting shit. During sex, the girl tells the guy not to do something but the guy ignores her and does that thing anyways? It's fine, she enjoys it. A scene where at least one character is a high schooler? Lol it's fine this is anime, and she's hot. Fucking someone who doesn't even know what an orgasm is because they're just that uninformed about their own body? Not manipulative at all! A scene where the girl's extremely embarrassed but the guy just doesn't care and straight up gets to fucking her anyway? Who gives a shit about communication and consent? Fuck a character that looks like a 10 year old, who fucking cares as long as you can find a group of people to reassure you that it's okay? 
    Now, this isn't exclusive to Fuwanovel. The entire fucking anime, manga and VN community turns a blind eye to this shit. 
    I'm fucking 19, I've regularly immersed myself in this content and this way of looking at media and pornography that the Fuwanovel community and the VN community fed to me on a near-daily basis for five years. That's 25% of my life. A long time. 
    I'm only now realizing just how fucked up and directly hurtful to real people this is. Did you know so much as hearing about people who casually masturbate to drawings of children can send victims of child sexual abuse into panic attacks they take hours if not days to recover from? Did you know that when you masturbate to porn featuring coercion or worse for a long time you can become a person who can be aroused by someone else's sincere pain? Do you know how easy it is to develop misconceptions and unhealthy understandings about sex, sexuality, and consent when almost all porn condoned by the people you talk to on a peer basis every day makes a mockery of the concept of treating someone you're making love to as a person? 
    I played Euphoria at 15 and I still get extremely disturbed and uncomfortable when I think about it.
    I'm not even necessarily a victim of any of this. Just months if not weeks ago I casually recommended pornography that does exactly this to people on here. I've played my deliberate, informed, willful part in normalizing getting off to ANY depiction of abuse whatsoever. I am complicit.
    I don't know if I talked about it on here before, but I've been struggling for years about knowing I am a person with some of these fucked up fantasies. I wouldn't even think of doing anything about it in real life, because I know it can fucking hurt people. But it took me five years to even understand why even learning about it can make some feel preyed upon or manipulated. It's just... not healthy. It's fucking creepy, it's gross. I literally hate myself for it, and deserve to do so, because it's a thing to be hated.
    Being able to derive pleasure from someone being subjected to pain, or being violated, or being manipulated or coerced... That's gross, creepy, unhealthy, and harmful.
    If you still want to get off to depraved shit, at least keep it to yourself and to spaces where people are willing to examine what indulging in such fetishes does to them and the people around them. 
    It's not a normal thing to do. It's dangerous, in the truest sense of the word, and if you want to consume media that normalizes abuse, it's your full responsibility to ensure the safety of people you reveal that activity and spread such media to.
    I know, because I normalized it in my head, and I'm still working to understand how it can hurt other people, because I've thrown the part of me that can empathize with that and then told other people it's okay to do so as well.
    You might be able to deflect blame from yourself by saying it's my fault or my parents' fault that I hurt myself by engaging with proponents of extreme pornography in the VN community. That's on you.
    But I know I, too, am to blame for condoning these things that I didn't realize hurt me. 
    It's not worth it. Getting off to fucked up shit is not worth telling someone coercion, rape, or any abuse could or should be enjoyable in any capacity. Even if you tell yourself that fiction, perhaps the clearest reflection of people's cultural, philosophical and personal beliefs, has no bearing whatsoever on real life.
    I want none of it anymore. I want to do better than that. Be better than that. 
    And I think that means letting go of the me that used to be OK with abusive pornography. 
    And that means letting go of Fuwanovel.
    And that's why I'm leaving.
  3. Thanks
    Funyarinpa reacted to solidbatman in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    Now this... This is the Fuwanovel I remember; complete and utter garbage. I missed it. Thank you all for bringing it back to me so I remember why I stopped interacting with the VN community in general this thread has it all and I hope it stays up as a testament to how god damn stupid the VN community is 
    Hopefully Tay deletes this site soon. 
     
  4. Confused
    Funyarinpa got a reaction from Ramaladni in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    This is not the same as violence in video games. Video game violence is removed from its context, and "sanitized", so to speak, to be enjoyable. When a game tries to reflect that accurately, it's often derided for good reason, like Hatred, because people generally enjoy video game guns and stuff enjoy the feeling of hitting targets and having an impact on something, and not making people feel pain. 
    I've played video games about war and about combat, but they don't make me feel that a war would be any less terrifying or any easier to get through. 
    Consuming pornography is a completely different ballpark. Even if you could (somehow) separate reality from fiction, all media still influence us, this is perhaps the central lesson of all media theory. Media influences us, this isn't so hard to understand. It's easy to separate video game violence from real violence because for most people the level of gratuitous violence in a game never closely reflects reality. 
    For porn, though, you can never separate the sexual feelings one gets from watching porn from how they view sex, because sex is a colossal part of human life and porn can interact with that conception of sex and sexuality in ways combat does not. 
    And even putting all that aside, 2 things remain:
    1. This attitude hurt me. I know this for a fact. 
    2. Visual novels are a medium about telling a story through text, accompanied by music, sprites, backgrounds, etc. There's nothing about that that says "you have to be able to find someone's pain arousing to be able to enjoy this medium". The industry's infatuation with abusive porn comes from the fact that way too many people who are enthusiastic about the industry condone fictional sexualized abuse. 
    Put another way, it being fictional does not explain nor justify ANYTHING about why you think it's healthy to be able (and willing) to get off to  a depiction of pain. Your pleasure shouldn't follow from another's pain. 
  5. Haha
    Funyarinpa got a reaction from OppaiDefender in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    (This is difficult to write. Also, it's going to get personal, and if you need any trigger warnings, it's probably best to stay away, this might be disturbing for you.) IF YOU ARE NOT OF LEGAL AGE OR YOUNGER THAN 18 YEARS OLD, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT READING THIS MIGHT DO TO YOU, I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. 
    I found this website very shortly after I got into VNs, because I was looking for a way to play Ever17. That was 2014, and I was 14 then.
    It's been... five years. Fuwa meant a lot to me in that time, and I think it still does now. By making me an ardent fan of VNs this place sidetracked my entire academic career (love to read 'em and post on forums too much now  ) and as such will always hold a place in my life and heart. I still have one of the highest post counts on here, and I've seen a whole ton of people come and go. I'm one of the old guard so to speak, and I'm proud of that, in a way. Fuwa has changed in big and small ways since I joined... I wasn't here for Aaeru, but I was here for Okami and Ren and more Fuwapocalypses I can count.
    But I'll be leaving. It's a hard decision, but I think I've long truly left the things that once connected me to this forum in the first place. I don't know if I can or will get my account deleted, or do anything of the sort... I don't know how I feel, ultimately, about having been a part of this place for 5 years. I'm trying not to stop writing, because my decision to leave has to do with one of the most disgusting personal issues I've ever had and it's easy to give up on writing this and close the tab, and move on with my day.
    It's hard to sort out what I want to say. Since I'll be leaving, I also want to give my gratitude to this website and particularly some of its people, but I'll try to leave that to the end, ö. First, I want to discuss why Fuwanovel, and the VN community as a whole, hurt me at large. I've not posted extensively on here for a long time. And I think it'll end up staying that way.
    One of the reasons I started to get less involved here was that I got the impression we had some Trump supporters here (just as a general sentiment). But seeing as I continue to participate on other websites which also condone such bigotry, I can't really say that that's the only reason I am leaving. It's the administration's prerogative to allow that. 
    Another, more involved reason was actually due to something more general to the VN community (and actually even more generally, the anime/manga community). 
    The extent to which we condone harmful pornography. 
    Back then in 2014, when this was the main place I talked to people about my interests, this was also a slightly different place. We had a vigilante sort of doctrine, whereby we distributed torrents of fan translated visual novels to build a fanbase by simply getting people to pirate the games we loved. Many of you reading this (and probably the three of you that care) already know this, but anyways. I don't know how well it worked or how much it contributed in the end, but it hooked me. 
    Another aspect of 2014 Fuwanovel, however, was more insidious... Loli shit.
    I remember particularly a fellow going by the name of Steve being absolutely bonkers about this shit. Posting loli stuff everywhere. But this is not a Steve callout post.
    We've all heard the rationalizations... "It's fictional", "It keeps actual pedos from offending", "I am a lolicon because they're cute", "Free speech means nothing I say, do or condone has any consequence", the list goes on.
    But at the end of the day we had (have) a lot of people who still thought and think it's a perfectly normal and safe thing to do to jack off to drawings of children. If you're here to debate this with me, just close the tab and save yourself the trouble.
    Now, especially if you're a newer member, you might be confused about this loli stuff, they don't seem very prevalent now. Well, that's because the hosting service that runs the servers for the entire forum forced Fuwanovel to get rid of any loli pornography out of legal concerns a few years ago. There was a lot of mod-related drama about it before, too.
    So what's the issue if it's banned on here now?
    Well... 3 things. 1. I've seen no self reflection or serious discussion of this, I don't think I've seen anyone seriously reflect on the extremity of pornography that is allowed to condone here. 2. The mentality that normalized being a "lolicon" (in normal person terms, pedophile) is still alive. 3. I've realized how much it hurt me. 
    Acting like there's no repercussions to enjoying jerking off to ANY DEPICTION OF children, or rape, or coercion, or manipulation (and probably incest) all-too-common in visual novels is... reductive. It's dangerous. We might've enabled someone who saw the lolicon posts on this forum, and decided to make that a reality- and we'll never know. But whether that happened or not is irrelevant. At the end of the day, Fuwanovel is still a place where even if you can't talk about loli stuff, you can talk about Starless or any number of games that make a fetish out of depraved, fucked up, harmful, sexist shit, without examining what it does to you or other people. 
    I know there's no question of whether it's harmful or not, because I've slowly come to realize that it directly hurt me and my mentality about sex and sexuality. 
    Now, it might be because that I browsed this place while underage for years. Maybe my parents should've known better than to let me use the internet unsupervised. Maybe just warping the mentalities of children and teenagers is a worthy price to pay to freely discuss VNs. Maybe *I* should've known better, but known better than to stay in this place after I saw the word "lolicon" be used in casual conversation for the first time.
    But in direct part thanks to VNs and attitudes I saw on here, I became someone desensetized to and able to condone (and get off to) absolutely disgusting shit. During sex, the girl tells the guy not to do something but the guy ignores her and does that thing anyways? It's fine, she enjoys it. A scene where at least one character is a high schooler? Lol it's fine this is anime, and she's hot. Fucking someone who doesn't even know what an orgasm is because they're just that uninformed about their own body? Not manipulative at all! A scene where the girl's extremely embarrassed but the guy just doesn't care and straight up gets to fucking her anyway? Who gives a shit about communication and consent? Fuck a character that looks like a 10 year old, who fucking cares as long as you can find a group of people to reassure you that it's okay? 
    Now, this isn't exclusive to Fuwanovel. The entire fucking anime, manga and VN community turns a blind eye to this shit. 
    I'm fucking 19, I've regularly immersed myself in this content and this way of looking at media and pornography that the Fuwanovel community and the VN community fed to me on a near-daily basis for five years. That's 25% of my life. A long time. 
    I'm only now realizing just how fucked up and directly hurtful to real people this is. Did you know so much as hearing about people who casually masturbate to drawings of children can send victims of child sexual abuse into panic attacks they take hours if not days to recover from? Did you know that when you masturbate to porn featuring coercion or worse for a long time you can become a person who can be aroused by someone else's sincere pain? Do you know how easy it is to develop misconceptions and unhealthy understandings about sex, sexuality, and consent when almost all porn condoned by the people you talk to on a peer basis every day makes a mockery of the concept of treating someone you're making love to as a person? 
    I played Euphoria at 15 and I still get extremely disturbed and uncomfortable when I think about it.
    I'm not even necessarily a victim of any of this. Just months if not weeks ago I casually recommended pornography that does exactly this to people on here. I've played my deliberate, informed, willful part in normalizing getting off to ANY depiction of abuse whatsoever. I am complicit.
    I don't know if I talked about it on here before, but I've been struggling for years about knowing I am a person with some of these fucked up fantasies. I wouldn't even think of doing anything about it in real life, because I know it can fucking hurt people. But it took me five years to even understand why even learning about it can make some feel preyed upon or manipulated. It's just... not healthy. It's fucking creepy, it's gross. I literally hate myself for it, and deserve to do so, because it's a thing to be hated.
    Being able to derive pleasure from someone being subjected to pain, or being violated, or being manipulated or coerced... That's gross, creepy, unhealthy, and harmful.
    If you still want to get off to depraved shit, at least keep it to yourself and to spaces where people are willing to examine what indulging in such fetishes does to them and the people around them. 
    It's not a normal thing to do. It's dangerous, in the truest sense of the word, and if you want to consume media that normalizes abuse, it's your full responsibility to ensure the safety of people you reveal that activity and spread such media to.
    I know, because I normalized it in my head, and I'm still working to understand how it can hurt other people, because I've thrown the part of me that can empathize with that and then told other people it's okay to do so as well.
    You might be able to deflect blame from yourself by saying it's my fault or my parents' fault that I hurt myself by engaging with proponents of extreme pornography in the VN community. That's on you.
    But I know I, too, am to blame for condoning these things that I didn't realize hurt me. 
    It's not worth it. Getting off to fucked up shit is not worth telling someone coercion, rape, or any abuse could or should be enjoyable in any capacity. Even if you tell yourself that fiction, perhaps the clearest reflection of people's cultural, philosophical and personal beliefs, has no bearing whatsoever on real life.
    I want none of it anymore. I want to do better than that. Be better than that. 
    And I think that means letting go of the me that used to be OK with abusive pornography. 
    And that means letting go of Fuwanovel.
    And that's why I'm leaving.
  6. Haha
    Funyarinpa got a reaction from Ramaladni in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    (This is difficult to write. Also, it's going to get personal, and if you need any trigger warnings, it's probably best to stay away, this might be disturbing for you.) IF YOU ARE NOT OF LEGAL AGE OR YOUNGER THAN 18 YEARS OLD, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT READING THIS MIGHT DO TO YOU, I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. 
    I found this website very shortly after I got into VNs, because I was looking for a way to play Ever17. That was 2014, and I was 14 then.
    It's been... five years. Fuwa meant a lot to me in that time, and I think it still does now. By making me an ardent fan of VNs this place sidetracked my entire academic career (love to read 'em and post on forums too much now  ) and as such will always hold a place in my life and heart. I still have one of the highest post counts on here, and I've seen a whole ton of people come and go. I'm one of the old guard so to speak, and I'm proud of that, in a way. Fuwa has changed in big and small ways since I joined... I wasn't here for Aaeru, but I was here for Okami and Ren and more Fuwapocalypses I can count.
    But I'll be leaving. It's a hard decision, but I think I've long truly left the things that once connected me to this forum in the first place. I don't know if I can or will get my account deleted, or do anything of the sort... I don't know how I feel, ultimately, about having been a part of this place for 5 years. I'm trying not to stop writing, because my decision to leave has to do with one of the most disgusting personal issues I've ever had and it's easy to give up on writing this and close the tab, and move on with my day.
    It's hard to sort out what I want to say. Since I'll be leaving, I also want to give my gratitude to this website and particularly some of its people, but I'll try to leave that to the end, ö. First, I want to discuss why Fuwanovel, and the VN community as a whole, hurt me at large. I've not posted extensively on here for a long time. And I think it'll end up staying that way.
    One of the reasons I started to get less involved here was that I got the impression we had some Trump supporters here (just as a general sentiment). But seeing as I continue to participate on other websites which also condone such bigotry, I can't really say that that's the only reason I am leaving. It's the administration's prerogative to allow that. 
    Another, more involved reason was actually due to something more general to the VN community (and actually even more generally, the anime/manga community). 
    The extent to which we condone harmful pornography. 
    Back then in 2014, when this was the main place I talked to people about my interests, this was also a slightly different place. We had a vigilante sort of doctrine, whereby we distributed torrents of fan translated visual novels to build a fanbase by simply getting people to pirate the games we loved. Many of you reading this (and probably the three of you that care) already know this, but anyways. I don't know how well it worked or how much it contributed in the end, but it hooked me. 
    Another aspect of 2014 Fuwanovel, however, was more insidious... Loli shit.
    I remember particularly a fellow going by the name of Steve being absolutely bonkers about this shit. Posting loli stuff everywhere. But this is not a Steve callout post.
    We've all heard the rationalizations... "It's fictional", "It keeps actual pedos from offending", "I am a lolicon because they're cute", "Free speech means nothing I say, do or condone has any consequence", the list goes on.
    But at the end of the day we had (have) a lot of people who still thought and think it's a perfectly normal and safe thing to do to jack off to drawings of children. If you're here to debate this with me, just close the tab and save yourself the trouble.
    Now, especially if you're a newer member, you might be confused about this loli stuff, they don't seem very prevalent now. Well, that's because the hosting service that runs the servers for the entire forum forced Fuwanovel to get rid of any loli pornography out of legal concerns a few years ago. There was a lot of mod-related drama about it before, too.
    So what's the issue if it's banned on here now?
    Well... 3 things. 1. I've seen no self reflection or serious discussion of this, I don't think I've seen anyone seriously reflect on the extremity of pornography that is allowed to condone here. 2. The mentality that normalized being a "lolicon" (in normal person terms, pedophile) is still alive. 3. I've realized how much it hurt me. 
    Acting like there's no repercussions to enjoying jerking off to ANY DEPICTION OF children, or rape, or coercion, or manipulation (and probably incest) all-too-common in visual novels is... reductive. It's dangerous. We might've enabled someone who saw the lolicon posts on this forum, and decided to make that a reality- and we'll never know. But whether that happened or not is irrelevant. At the end of the day, Fuwanovel is still a place where even if you can't talk about loli stuff, you can talk about Starless or any number of games that make a fetish out of depraved, fucked up, harmful, sexist shit, without examining what it does to you or other people. 
    I know there's no question of whether it's harmful or not, because I've slowly come to realize that it directly hurt me and my mentality about sex and sexuality. 
    Now, it might be because that I browsed this place while underage for years. Maybe my parents should've known better than to let me use the internet unsupervised. Maybe just warping the mentalities of children and teenagers is a worthy price to pay to freely discuss VNs. Maybe *I* should've known better, but known better than to stay in this place after I saw the word "lolicon" be used in casual conversation for the first time.
    But in direct part thanks to VNs and attitudes I saw on here, I became someone desensetized to and able to condone (and get off to) absolutely disgusting shit. During sex, the girl tells the guy not to do something but the guy ignores her and does that thing anyways? It's fine, she enjoys it. A scene where at least one character is a high schooler? Lol it's fine this is anime, and she's hot. Fucking someone who doesn't even know what an orgasm is because they're just that uninformed about their own body? Not manipulative at all! A scene where the girl's extremely embarrassed but the guy just doesn't care and straight up gets to fucking her anyway? Who gives a shit about communication and consent? Fuck a character that looks like a 10 year old, who fucking cares as long as you can find a group of people to reassure you that it's okay? 
    Now, this isn't exclusive to Fuwanovel. The entire fucking anime, manga and VN community turns a blind eye to this shit. 
    I'm fucking 19, I've regularly immersed myself in this content and this way of looking at media and pornography that the Fuwanovel community and the VN community fed to me on a near-daily basis for five years. That's 25% of my life. A long time. 
    I'm only now realizing just how fucked up and directly hurtful to real people this is. Did you know so much as hearing about people who casually masturbate to drawings of children can send victims of child sexual abuse into panic attacks they take hours if not days to recover from? Did you know that when you masturbate to porn featuring coercion or worse for a long time you can become a person who can be aroused by someone else's sincere pain? Do you know how easy it is to develop misconceptions and unhealthy understandings about sex, sexuality, and consent when almost all porn condoned by the people you talk to on a peer basis every day makes a mockery of the concept of treating someone you're making love to as a person? 
    I played Euphoria at 15 and I still get extremely disturbed and uncomfortable when I think about it.
    I'm not even necessarily a victim of any of this. Just months if not weeks ago I casually recommended pornography that does exactly this to people on here. I've played my deliberate, informed, willful part in normalizing getting off to ANY depiction of abuse whatsoever. I am complicit.
    I don't know if I talked about it on here before, but I've been struggling for years about knowing I am a person with some of these fucked up fantasies. I wouldn't even think of doing anything about it in real life, because I know it can fucking hurt people. But it took me five years to even understand why even learning about it can make some feel preyed upon or manipulated. It's just... not healthy. It's fucking creepy, it's gross. I literally hate myself for it, and deserve to do so, because it's a thing to be hated.
    Being able to derive pleasure from someone being subjected to pain, or being violated, or being manipulated or coerced... That's gross, creepy, unhealthy, and harmful.
    If you still want to get off to depraved shit, at least keep it to yourself and to spaces where people are willing to examine what indulging in such fetishes does to them and the people around them. 
    It's not a normal thing to do. It's dangerous, in the truest sense of the word, and if you want to consume media that normalizes abuse, it's your full responsibility to ensure the safety of people you reveal that activity and spread such media to.
    I know, because I normalized it in my head, and I'm still working to understand how it can hurt other people, because I've thrown the part of me that can empathize with that and then told other people it's okay to do so as well.
    You might be able to deflect blame from yourself by saying it's my fault or my parents' fault that I hurt myself by engaging with proponents of extreme pornography in the VN community. That's on you.
    But I know I, too, am to blame for condoning these things that I didn't realize hurt me. 
    It's not worth it. Getting off to fucked up shit is not worth telling someone coercion, rape, or any abuse could or should be enjoyable in any capacity. Even if you tell yourself that fiction, perhaps the clearest reflection of people's cultural, philosophical and personal beliefs, has no bearing whatsoever on real life.
    I want none of it anymore. I want to do better than that. Be better than that. 
    And I think that means letting go of the me that used to be OK with abusive pornography. 
    And that means letting go of Fuwanovel.
    And that's why I'm leaving.
  7. Haha
    Funyarinpa got a reaction from Kosakyun in Fuwanovel Confessions   
    Confession: This is my last post on Fuwa.
     
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    Funyarinpa got a reaction from Kosakyun in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    I wrote this thread because I literally was personally hurt by the very people posting in this thread and their attitudes. I wanted to talk about how certain things we endorse and enable as a community can hurt people, because I've been hurt by this very same thing. 
    That's not the same thing as conservatives repressing gay people. At all. Frankly, the comparison is a non-sequitur.
    It hurts people who have been subjected to child sexual abuse (it retraumatizes them). Every single person who's not here to talk about lolis is exposed to them against their will. As you've acknowledged, this includes underage people. I've personally been hurt by this when I was underage (and don't even fucking TRY to come at me with your "but hurr your parents" defense). 
    I've been trying to "fight to educate people to do better". That's why I told all of you that encouraging and spreading and normalizing lolicon talk has actively hurt me as a person. It was meant to be a personal confession, an admission that I've been hurt by a community that I used to adore, to maybe at least get some members of this community to reflect on the fact that the way extreme pornography is discussed in VNs and Fuwa can instill the wrong messages in people and maybe we shouldn't champion messages like that as a community BECAUSE THEY CAN DIRECTLY HURT REAL PEOPLE. Instead, I've been told that I'm to blame for being vulnerable and getting hurt (hint: I'm not the only underage person on here, and I've also never seen anyone filter any discussion whatsoever on here to adults), that saying "maybe we shouldn't allow some things" is equal to tyranny and dictatorship, and that I'm comparable to people trying to repress and shame LGBT people into submission because "it shouldn't be acceptable to get off to rape or drawings of children" is apparently comparable to "it shouldn't be acceptable for a man to love another man". How can you even equate these things? How can you see people being free to love others regardless of gender and people being able to see abuse, traumatization, even torture, as something sexy in any capacity as equal acts or things? Don't you realize how you need to say "BUT I'd never do it in real life" to only one of those things?
    Frankly, this thread really was a fucking mistake, because I expected too much of this community. Apparently making sure people get to normalize harmful messages, situations and acts is more important to Fuwanovel than reflection on whether your actions can harm people. I'm not that disappointed that Fuwanovel allowed people to condone it, even though I hate it, that's this website's prerogative. I'm disappointed that it's something people would do, irrespective of if Fuwa allowed it or not. So my goal wasn't to get it banned on here or anything, either, I'd be taking this up directly with the mod team/administration/Tay if that was the case. No, I tried to talk about my own pain and my own doubts and my own regrets because I wanted to talk to the members of Fuwanovel. Instead, I got called a bigot because someone being disgusted that you can enjoy drawn child porn is apparently similar to someone being disgusted two guys can kiss. I tried to communicate my own regrets and doubts because I tried to educate people to do better.
    I'll be honest- On a personal level, I find this shit disgusting, and reprehensible. To an extent, I'm slightly embarrassed I've ever been a member of this forum. I find it, and all of you lolicons, fucking gross. That's enough reason to leave.
    The rest of my post beyond my thanks and "fuck the rest of y'all, I'm out" was precisely an attempt to educate people to do better, but I can't do that when almost everyone -even you- told me that my attempt to educate is an attack on freedom itself. 
    You can hurt people without intention, and people can tell you that they've been hurt by you. 
    I agree that it'd shake the community deeply. But many communities, including niche enthusiast communities, can and do have deep-seated issues. That doesn't mean they aren't worth facing and exploring.
    I don't want to come across like I intend to shame you for not being a sexual person, at all. However, this might've been far clearer to you if you were a sexual person. The thing is, trivializing the significance of fictional depictions of sexual abuse makes that abuse seem like something tolerable or acceptable to enjoy. Imagine if a similar level of extreme fiction wasn't involved in porn but just... fiction. Imagine if you knew someone who sincerely, intensely enjoyed reading stories about the Nazis committing genocide. And they told you that they go on the internet and talk about how much they love reading Nazi fanfiction. And now think a step more generally and imagine that this Nazi fanfiction was in the form of short stories and you couldn't go on general short story forums without coming across people who kept talking about how much they enjoy Nazi fanfiction (and to be clear, this fanfiction is straight up reveling-in-gas-chambers, 1000% antisemitism, enjoying reading about someone die in agony sort of stuff). Then someone asks "but why are you writing and reading and enjoying stories about Nazis committing genocide where the genocide is presented as if the genocide was a good thing?" and they get the answer "real Jews aren't getting gassed, so it's fine, I don't condone actual Jews getting gassed". 
    That's what it's like.
    It's after leaving this place for a long time that I started to realize just how little understanding I had for why people could be disturbed by lolicon shit and similar porn. But the thing is, talking about it by saying "It's fiction so it's fine" and not a word more makes it seem like what you're condoning isn't a big deal at all. It understates the messages sent by such fiction itself -extreme sexism at a bare minimum- and whether you like it or not, and however much you shift the blame, communities like this actively encourage and enable actual abusers. I can assure you that there's a VN enthusiast pedophile out there who, encouraged by all the lolicon talk, has actually abused children because getting off to porn of children is normalized in this community. A pedophile can, and I'm sure does, find encouragement in the lolicon community because when you go, say, read a doujin manga that features children, the comments on the site you read that won't be about how the readers need to ensure that they aren't repressing actual pedophilic tendencies, it'll be about how "hot" or "well-drawn" or whatever it is. This is even unintentionally admitted by a lot of pro-lolicons, who often claim that having access to drawn child porn gives pedophiles a "healthy, victimless outlet" for their desires (this clearly implies people are aware that abusers can and do peruse abusive porn). With lolicon trash this is somewhat obvious, but with stuff like rape, it sometimes won't even be acknowledged that what's being portrayed and glorified and fetishized in a given porn is sexual assault. And this mentality is literally parallelled by actual rapists. People who watch a rape hentai enjoy seeing the woman feel powerless and violated, and real rapists very much enjoy the same thing. Hentai protagonists don't care about boundaries, or informed consent, or ensuring the safety of their partner, and neither do many abusive partners in the real world. Don't tell me that people don't have unrealistic standards -not only in terms of body appearance but also in terms of relationships- because of and reinforced by (most/all) porn, because it very obviously, very clearly and very prominently happens (an example is women getting groped on Japanese public transportation which has been sexualized to the point where it has literally become its own porn subgenre), and there's no way whatsoever that drawn porn avoids reinforcing such tropes in any way whatsoever, especially when hentai can and does get even worse than your average filmed porn. All media and all fiction reflects and reinforces cultural notions, anyone who's taken a single media studies class can tell you that. Fiction gives us stories that we inevitably relate to life itself because that's how people interact with art, we relate things to our own experiences. And you can internalize unintentional messages you might not have intended to receive or the creator of whatever you're consuming might not have intended to convey. People who absolutely care about race relations in the US for example might still harbor an unconscious bias against people of color because the media portrays people of color in a worse light. You might stop empathizing with people who have suffered terrible things IRL to the same degree, even if you don't intend to do so at all. Particularly in niche subcultures, this accidental internalization can reach a point where people can normalize fetishizing abuse to the point where people actually being abused -who cannot be expected to "know better"- can rationalize their own abuse, or where abusers can find justification for their abuse. Nobody consumes VNs in a vacuum, and nobody consumes porn in a vacuum. When the VN community at large makes it seem normal to jerk off to hurtful porn, people who didn't get into the community for the abusive porn and who don't have all the faculties or the willingness to compartmentalize and process how they react to and feel about it can receive harmful messages. And particularly, Fuwanovel for example is not a lolicon site. It's a visual novel site. People who come here for VNs are exposed to lolicon fetishism without their consent. How this might affect someone is extremely downplayed in most VN circles. You might trigger someone's trauma. You might simply send off the wrong lesson. Someone who sees lolicon fetishism is accepted somewhere might take that to mean other messaging elsewhere might similarly be "fictional only" and end up normalizing that as well, and that can lead to all sorts of shit like radicalization, which is what gets you mass shooters in the US. 
     
    Lastly, something that angers me:
    I fucking hate the notion that things you do on the Internet are free of consequence. You're free to do what you want online, but that doesn't mean that what you choose to do and support is free of consequence. It's like traffic. You might drive like there aren't any other cars on the road, but any crashes you cause are still your fault even if it isn't what you intended. The idea that other people are responsible for shielding themselves from hurt from you while you aren't responsible at all is nonsensical, selfish, idiotic, and evil. 
     
    edit: Refusing to examine how condoning lolicon and similar fetish stuff especially on a large scale is like driving on a road and refusing to slow down even though there's a car in front of you, then blaming the car in front of you for not changing lines and respecting your right to drive as you wish because any limitation on driving is a violation of the creed of Freedom of Movement, and saying you should have every right to drive without slowing down and other drivers are responsible for getting out of your way.
     
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    Funyarinpa got a reaction from Kosakyun in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    (This is difficult to write. Also, it's going to get personal, and if you need any trigger warnings, it's probably best to stay away, this might be disturbing for you.) IF YOU ARE NOT OF LEGAL AGE OR YOUNGER THAN 18 YEARS OLD, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT READING THIS MIGHT DO TO YOU, I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. 
    I found this website very shortly after I got into VNs, because I was looking for a way to play Ever17. That was 2014, and I was 14 then.
    It's been... five years. Fuwa meant a lot to me in that time, and I think it still does now. By making me an ardent fan of VNs this place sidetracked my entire academic career (love to read 'em and post on forums too much now  ) and as such will always hold a place in my life and heart. I still have one of the highest post counts on here, and I've seen a whole ton of people come and go. I'm one of the old guard so to speak, and I'm proud of that, in a way. Fuwa has changed in big and small ways since I joined... I wasn't here for Aaeru, but I was here for Okami and Ren and more Fuwapocalypses I can count.
    But I'll be leaving. It's a hard decision, but I think I've long truly left the things that once connected me to this forum in the first place. I don't know if I can or will get my account deleted, or do anything of the sort... I don't know how I feel, ultimately, about having been a part of this place for 5 years. I'm trying not to stop writing, because my decision to leave has to do with one of the most disgusting personal issues I've ever had and it's easy to give up on writing this and close the tab, and move on with my day.
    It's hard to sort out what I want to say. Since I'll be leaving, I also want to give my gratitude to this website and particularly some of its people, but I'll try to leave that to the end, ö. First, I want to discuss why Fuwanovel, and the VN community as a whole, hurt me at large. I've not posted extensively on here for a long time. And I think it'll end up staying that way.
    One of the reasons I started to get less involved here was that I got the impression we had some Trump supporters here (just as a general sentiment). But seeing as I continue to participate on other websites which also condone such bigotry, I can't really say that that's the only reason I am leaving. It's the administration's prerogative to allow that. 
    Another, more involved reason was actually due to something more general to the VN community (and actually even more generally, the anime/manga community). 
    The extent to which we condone harmful pornography. 
    Back then in 2014, when this was the main place I talked to people about my interests, this was also a slightly different place. We had a vigilante sort of doctrine, whereby we distributed torrents of fan translated visual novels to build a fanbase by simply getting people to pirate the games we loved. Many of you reading this (and probably the three of you that care) already know this, but anyways. I don't know how well it worked or how much it contributed in the end, but it hooked me. 
    Another aspect of 2014 Fuwanovel, however, was more insidious... Loli shit.
    I remember particularly a fellow going by the name of Steve being absolutely bonkers about this shit. Posting loli stuff everywhere. But this is not a Steve callout post.
    We've all heard the rationalizations... "It's fictional", "It keeps actual pedos from offending", "I am a lolicon because they're cute", "Free speech means nothing I say, do or condone has any consequence", the list goes on.
    But at the end of the day we had (have) a lot of people who still thought and think it's a perfectly normal and safe thing to do to jack off to drawings of children. If you're here to debate this with me, just close the tab and save yourself the trouble.
    Now, especially if you're a newer member, you might be confused about this loli stuff, they don't seem very prevalent now. Well, that's because the hosting service that runs the servers for the entire forum forced Fuwanovel to get rid of any loli pornography out of legal concerns a few years ago. There was a lot of mod-related drama about it before, too.
    So what's the issue if it's banned on here now?
    Well... 3 things. 1. I've seen no self reflection or serious discussion of this, I don't think I've seen anyone seriously reflect on the extremity of pornography that is allowed to condone here. 2. The mentality that normalized being a "lolicon" (in normal person terms, pedophile) is still alive. 3. I've realized how much it hurt me. 
    Acting like there's no repercussions to enjoying jerking off to ANY DEPICTION OF children, or rape, or coercion, or manipulation (and probably incest) all-too-common in visual novels is... reductive. It's dangerous. We might've enabled someone who saw the lolicon posts on this forum, and decided to make that a reality- and we'll never know. But whether that happened or not is irrelevant. At the end of the day, Fuwanovel is still a place where even if you can't talk about loli stuff, you can talk about Starless or any number of games that make a fetish out of depraved, fucked up, harmful, sexist shit, without examining what it does to you or other people. 
    I know there's no question of whether it's harmful or not, because I've slowly come to realize that it directly hurt me and my mentality about sex and sexuality. 
    Now, it might be because that I browsed this place while underage for years. Maybe my parents should've known better than to let me use the internet unsupervised. Maybe just warping the mentalities of children and teenagers is a worthy price to pay to freely discuss VNs. Maybe *I* should've known better, but known better than to stay in this place after I saw the word "lolicon" be used in casual conversation for the first time.
    But in direct part thanks to VNs and attitudes I saw on here, I became someone desensetized to and able to condone (and get off to) absolutely disgusting shit. During sex, the girl tells the guy not to do something but the guy ignores her and does that thing anyways? It's fine, she enjoys it. A scene where at least one character is a high schooler? Lol it's fine this is anime, and she's hot. Fucking someone who doesn't even know what an orgasm is because they're just that uninformed about their own body? Not manipulative at all! A scene where the girl's extremely embarrassed but the guy just doesn't care and straight up gets to fucking her anyway? Who gives a shit about communication and consent? Fuck a character that looks like a 10 year old, who fucking cares as long as you can find a group of people to reassure you that it's okay? 
    Now, this isn't exclusive to Fuwanovel. The entire fucking anime, manga and VN community turns a blind eye to this shit. 
    I'm fucking 19, I've regularly immersed myself in this content and this way of looking at media and pornography that the Fuwanovel community and the VN community fed to me on a near-daily basis for five years. That's 25% of my life. A long time. 
    I'm only now realizing just how fucked up and directly hurtful to real people this is. Did you know so much as hearing about people who casually masturbate to drawings of children can send victims of child sexual abuse into panic attacks they take hours if not days to recover from? Did you know that when you masturbate to porn featuring coercion or worse for a long time you can become a person who can be aroused by someone else's sincere pain? Do you know how easy it is to develop misconceptions and unhealthy understandings about sex, sexuality, and consent when almost all porn condoned by the people you talk to on a peer basis every day makes a mockery of the concept of treating someone you're making love to as a person? 
    I played Euphoria at 15 and I still get extremely disturbed and uncomfortable when I think about it.
    I'm not even necessarily a victim of any of this. Just months if not weeks ago I casually recommended pornography that does exactly this to people on here. I've played my deliberate, informed, willful part in normalizing getting off to ANY depiction of abuse whatsoever. I am complicit.
    I don't know if I talked about it on here before, but I've been struggling for years about knowing I am a person with some of these fucked up fantasies. I wouldn't even think of doing anything about it in real life, because I know it can fucking hurt people. But it took me five years to even understand why even learning about it can make some feel preyed upon or manipulated. It's just... not healthy. It's fucking creepy, it's gross. I literally hate myself for it, and deserve to do so, because it's a thing to be hated.
    Being able to derive pleasure from someone being subjected to pain, or being violated, or being manipulated or coerced... That's gross, creepy, unhealthy, and harmful.
    If you still want to get off to depraved shit, at least keep it to yourself and to spaces where people are willing to examine what indulging in such fetishes does to them and the people around them. 
    It's not a normal thing to do. It's dangerous, in the truest sense of the word, and if you want to consume media that normalizes abuse, it's your full responsibility to ensure the safety of people you reveal that activity and spread such media to.
    I know, because I normalized it in my head, and I'm still working to understand how it can hurt other people, because I've thrown the part of me that can empathize with that and then told other people it's okay to do so as well.
    You might be able to deflect blame from yourself by saying it's my fault or my parents' fault that I hurt myself by engaging with proponents of extreme pornography in the VN community. That's on you.
    But I know I, too, am to blame for condoning these things that I didn't realize hurt me. 
    It's not worth it. Getting off to fucked up shit is not worth telling someone coercion, rape, or any abuse could or should be enjoyable in any capacity. Even if you tell yourself that fiction, perhaps the clearest reflection of people's cultural, philosophical and personal beliefs, has no bearing whatsoever on real life.
    I want none of it anymore. I want to do better than that. Be better than that. 
    And I think that means letting go of the me that used to be OK with abusive pornography. 
    And that means letting go of Fuwanovel.
    And that's why I'm leaving.
  10. Thanks
    Funyarinpa reacted to Plk_Lesiak in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    Oh yeah, you know, those honor killings in rural Turkey, where they kill women that were raped or had sex with someone before marriage, as disgrace to their families? Who are we to judge it? After all, it's an important part of their culture. 
    And sorry for hyperbolic comparison, but after years of people trying to teach me how to be "culturally sensitive" I still fail to see how something being a part of culture or tradition should stop us from questioning it. I think we are all aware that Japanese culture enabling paedophiles (and mysoginy) is an actual problem, while the issue we're talking about now is not reforming Japanese people, but what should we do when that media, with all its fucked up baggage, comes to us. And the answer Funyarinpa pushes, as I understand it, is that we should at least be aware that we're promoting something questionable which might have toxic influence on people. That ignoring this fact is hard to justify from a moral standpoint and it should inform how we discuss/recommend stuff. I don't care that much, as I've dropped any pretence of being a decent person a while ago (I just don't have energy for activism, I barely have enough for living), but I think he has something of a point.
    Edit: And BTW, pointing to a problem within a medium doesn't mean judging people that enjoy it or calling for banning stuff. Within the community, it's about discussion and awereness. I'm definitely above judging people... Outside maybe of those defending Hajimete no Okaa-san. Sorry mates, but actual pedophilia apologism & romanticised child rape and impregnation porn might be a bit over the line of what should be reasonably allowed.
  11. Thanks
    Funyarinpa got a reaction from MysteryCorgi in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    (This is difficult to write. Also, it's going to get personal, and if you need any trigger warnings, it's probably best to stay away, this might be disturbing for you.) IF YOU ARE NOT OF LEGAL AGE OR YOUNGER THAN 18 YEARS OLD, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT READING THIS MIGHT DO TO YOU, I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. 
    I found this website very shortly after I got into VNs, because I was looking for a way to play Ever17. That was 2014, and I was 14 then.
    It's been... five years. Fuwa meant a lot to me in that time, and I think it still does now. By making me an ardent fan of VNs this place sidetracked my entire academic career (love to read 'em and post on forums too much now  ) and as such will always hold a place in my life and heart. I still have one of the highest post counts on here, and I've seen a whole ton of people come and go. I'm one of the old guard so to speak, and I'm proud of that, in a way. Fuwa has changed in big and small ways since I joined... I wasn't here for Aaeru, but I was here for Okami and Ren and more Fuwapocalypses I can count.
    But I'll be leaving. It's a hard decision, but I think I've long truly left the things that once connected me to this forum in the first place. I don't know if I can or will get my account deleted, or do anything of the sort... I don't know how I feel, ultimately, about having been a part of this place for 5 years. I'm trying not to stop writing, because my decision to leave has to do with one of the most disgusting personal issues I've ever had and it's easy to give up on writing this and close the tab, and move on with my day.
    It's hard to sort out what I want to say. Since I'll be leaving, I also want to give my gratitude to this website and particularly some of its people, but I'll try to leave that to the end, ö. First, I want to discuss why Fuwanovel, and the VN community as a whole, hurt me at large. I've not posted extensively on here for a long time. And I think it'll end up staying that way.
    One of the reasons I started to get less involved here was that I got the impression we had some Trump supporters here (just as a general sentiment). But seeing as I continue to participate on other websites which also condone such bigotry, I can't really say that that's the only reason I am leaving. It's the administration's prerogative to allow that. 
    Another, more involved reason was actually due to something more general to the VN community (and actually even more generally, the anime/manga community). 
    The extent to which we condone harmful pornography. 
    Back then in 2014, when this was the main place I talked to people about my interests, this was also a slightly different place. We had a vigilante sort of doctrine, whereby we distributed torrents of fan translated visual novels to build a fanbase by simply getting people to pirate the games we loved. Many of you reading this (and probably the three of you that care) already know this, but anyways. I don't know how well it worked or how much it contributed in the end, but it hooked me. 
    Another aspect of 2014 Fuwanovel, however, was more insidious... Loli shit.
    I remember particularly a fellow going by the name of Steve being absolutely bonkers about this shit. Posting loli stuff everywhere. But this is not a Steve callout post.
    We've all heard the rationalizations... "It's fictional", "It keeps actual pedos from offending", "I am a lolicon because they're cute", "Free speech means nothing I say, do or condone has any consequence", the list goes on.
    But at the end of the day we had (have) a lot of people who still thought and think it's a perfectly normal and safe thing to do to jack off to drawings of children. If you're here to debate this with me, just close the tab and save yourself the trouble.
    Now, especially if you're a newer member, you might be confused about this loli stuff, they don't seem very prevalent now. Well, that's because the hosting service that runs the servers for the entire forum forced Fuwanovel to get rid of any loli pornography out of legal concerns a few years ago. There was a lot of mod-related drama about it before, too.
    So what's the issue if it's banned on here now?
    Well... 3 things. 1. I've seen no self reflection or serious discussion of this, I don't think I've seen anyone seriously reflect on the extremity of pornography that is allowed to condone here. 2. The mentality that normalized being a "lolicon" (in normal person terms, pedophile) is still alive. 3. I've realized how much it hurt me. 
    Acting like there's no repercussions to enjoying jerking off to ANY DEPICTION OF children, or rape, or coercion, or manipulation (and probably incest) all-too-common in visual novels is... reductive. It's dangerous. We might've enabled someone who saw the lolicon posts on this forum, and decided to make that a reality- and we'll never know. But whether that happened or not is irrelevant. At the end of the day, Fuwanovel is still a place where even if you can't talk about loli stuff, you can talk about Starless or any number of games that make a fetish out of depraved, fucked up, harmful, sexist shit, without examining what it does to you or other people. 
    I know there's no question of whether it's harmful or not, because I've slowly come to realize that it directly hurt me and my mentality about sex and sexuality. 
    Now, it might be because that I browsed this place while underage for years. Maybe my parents should've known better than to let me use the internet unsupervised. Maybe just warping the mentalities of children and teenagers is a worthy price to pay to freely discuss VNs. Maybe *I* should've known better, but known better than to stay in this place after I saw the word "lolicon" be used in casual conversation for the first time.
    But in direct part thanks to VNs and attitudes I saw on here, I became someone desensetized to and able to condone (and get off to) absolutely disgusting shit. During sex, the girl tells the guy not to do something but the guy ignores her and does that thing anyways? It's fine, she enjoys it. A scene where at least one character is a high schooler? Lol it's fine this is anime, and she's hot. Fucking someone who doesn't even know what an orgasm is because they're just that uninformed about their own body? Not manipulative at all! A scene where the girl's extremely embarrassed but the guy just doesn't care and straight up gets to fucking her anyway? Who gives a shit about communication and consent? Fuck a character that looks like a 10 year old, who fucking cares as long as you can find a group of people to reassure you that it's okay? 
    Now, this isn't exclusive to Fuwanovel. The entire fucking anime, manga and VN community turns a blind eye to this shit. 
    I'm fucking 19, I've regularly immersed myself in this content and this way of looking at media and pornography that the Fuwanovel community and the VN community fed to me on a near-daily basis for five years. That's 25% of my life. A long time. 
    I'm only now realizing just how fucked up and directly hurtful to real people this is. Did you know so much as hearing about people who casually masturbate to drawings of children can send victims of child sexual abuse into panic attacks they take hours if not days to recover from? Did you know that when you masturbate to porn featuring coercion or worse for a long time you can become a person who can be aroused by someone else's sincere pain? Do you know how easy it is to develop misconceptions and unhealthy understandings about sex, sexuality, and consent when almost all porn condoned by the people you talk to on a peer basis every day makes a mockery of the concept of treating someone you're making love to as a person? 
    I played Euphoria at 15 and I still get extremely disturbed and uncomfortable when I think about it.
    I'm not even necessarily a victim of any of this. Just months if not weeks ago I casually recommended pornography that does exactly this to people on here. I've played my deliberate, informed, willful part in normalizing getting off to ANY depiction of abuse whatsoever. I am complicit.
    I don't know if I talked about it on here before, but I've been struggling for years about knowing I am a person with some of these fucked up fantasies. I wouldn't even think of doing anything about it in real life, because I know it can fucking hurt people. But it took me five years to even understand why even learning about it can make some feel preyed upon or manipulated. It's just... not healthy. It's fucking creepy, it's gross. I literally hate myself for it, and deserve to do so, because it's a thing to be hated.
    Being able to derive pleasure from someone being subjected to pain, or being violated, or being manipulated or coerced... That's gross, creepy, unhealthy, and harmful.
    If you still want to get off to depraved shit, at least keep it to yourself and to spaces where people are willing to examine what indulging in such fetishes does to them and the people around them. 
    It's not a normal thing to do. It's dangerous, in the truest sense of the word, and if you want to consume media that normalizes abuse, it's your full responsibility to ensure the safety of people you reveal that activity and spread such media to.
    I know, because I normalized it in my head, and I'm still working to understand how it can hurt other people, because I've thrown the part of me that can empathize with that and then told other people it's okay to do so as well.
    You might be able to deflect blame from yourself by saying it's my fault or my parents' fault that I hurt myself by engaging with proponents of extreme pornography in the VN community. That's on you.
    But I know I, too, am to blame for condoning these things that I didn't realize hurt me. 
    It's not worth it. Getting off to fucked up shit is not worth telling someone coercion, rape, or any abuse could or should be enjoyable in any capacity. Even if you tell yourself that fiction, perhaps the clearest reflection of people's cultural, philosophical and personal beliefs, has no bearing whatsoever on real life.
    I want none of it anymore. I want to do better than that. Be better than that. 
    And I think that means letting go of the me that used to be OK with abusive pornography. 
    And that means letting go of Fuwanovel.
    And that's why I'm leaving.
  12. Sad
    Funyarinpa got a reaction from Silvz in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    (This is difficult to write. Also, it's going to get personal, and if you need any trigger warnings, it's probably best to stay away, this might be disturbing for you.) IF YOU ARE NOT OF LEGAL AGE OR YOUNGER THAN 18 YEARS OLD, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT READING THIS MIGHT DO TO YOU, I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. 
    I found this website very shortly after I got into VNs, because I was looking for a way to play Ever17. That was 2014, and I was 14 then.
    It's been... five years. Fuwa meant a lot to me in that time, and I think it still does now. By making me an ardent fan of VNs this place sidetracked my entire academic career (love to read 'em and post on forums too much now  ) and as such will always hold a place in my life and heart. I still have one of the highest post counts on here, and I've seen a whole ton of people come and go. I'm one of the old guard so to speak, and I'm proud of that, in a way. Fuwa has changed in big and small ways since I joined... I wasn't here for Aaeru, but I was here for Okami and Ren and more Fuwapocalypses I can count.
    But I'll be leaving. It's a hard decision, but I think I've long truly left the things that once connected me to this forum in the first place. I don't know if I can or will get my account deleted, or do anything of the sort... I don't know how I feel, ultimately, about having been a part of this place for 5 years. I'm trying not to stop writing, because my decision to leave has to do with one of the most disgusting personal issues I've ever had and it's easy to give up on writing this and close the tab, and move on with my day.
    It's hard to sort out what I want to say. Since I'll be leaving, I also want to give my gratitude to this website and particularly some of its people, but I'll try to leave that to the end, ö. First, I want to discuss why Fuwanovel, and the VN community as a whole, hurt me at large. I've not posted extensively on here for a long time. And I think it'll end up staying that way.
    One of the reasons I started to get less involved here was that I got the impression we had some Trump supporters here (just as a general sentiment). But seeing as I continue to participate on other websites which also condone such bigotry, I can't really say that that's the only reason I am leaving. It's the administration's prerogative to allow that. 
    Another, more involved reason was actually due to something more general to the VN community (and actually even more generally, the anime/manga community). 
    The extent to which we condone harmful pornography. 
    Back then in 2014, when this was the main place I talked to people about my interests, this was also a slightly different place. We had a vigilante sort of doctrine, whereby we distributed torrents of fan translated visual novels to build a fanbase by simply getting people to pirate the games we loved. Many of you reading this (and probably the three of you that care) already know this, but anyways. I don't know how well it worked or how much it contributed in the end, but it hooked me. 
    Another aspect of 2014 Fuwanovel, however, was more insidious... Loli shit.
    I remember particularly a fellow going by the name of Steve being absolutely bonkers about this shit. Posting loli stuff everywhere. But this is not a Steve callout post.
    We've all heard the rationalizations... "It's fictional", "It keeps actual pedos from offending", "I am a lolicon because they're cute", "Free speech means nothing I say, do or condone has any consequence", the list goes on.
    But at the end of the day we had (have) a lot of people who still thought and think it's a perfectly normal and safe thing to do to jack off to drawings of children. If you're here to debate this with me, just close the tab and save yourself the trouble.
    Now, especially if you're a newer member, you might be confused about this loli stuff, they don't seem very prevalent now. Well, that's because the hosting service that runs the servers for the entire forum forced Fuwanovel to get rid of any loli pornography out of legal concerns a few years ago. There was a lot of mod-related drama about it before, too.
    So what's the issue if it's banned on here now?
    Well... 3 things. 1. I've seen no self reflection or serious discussion of this, I don't think I've seen anyone seriously reflect on the extremity of pornography that is allowed to condone here. 2. The mentality that normalized being a "lolicon" (in normal person terms, pedophile) is still alive. 3. I've realized how much it hurt me. 
    Acting like there's no repercussions to enjoying jerking off to ANY DEPICTION OF children, or rape, or coercion, or manipulation (and probably incest) all-too-common in visual novels is... reductive. It's dangerous. We might've enabled someone who saw the lolicon posts on this forum, and decided to make that a reality- and we'll never know. But whether that happened or not is irrelevant. At the end of the day, Fuwanovel is still a place where even if you can't talk about loli stuff, you can talk about Starless or any number of games that make a fetish out of depraved, fucked up, harmful, sexist shit, without examining what it does to you or other people. 
    I know there's no question of whether it's harmful or not, because I've slowly come to realize that it directly hurt me and my mentality about sex and sexuality. 
    Now, it might be because that I browsed this place while underage for years. Maybe my parents should've known better than to let me use the internet unsupervised. Maybe just warping the mentalities of children and teenagers is a worthy price to pay to freely discuss VNs. Maybe *I* should've known better, but known better than to stay in this place after I saw the word "lolicon" be used in casual conversation for the first time.
    But in direct part thanks to VNs and attitudes I saw on here, I became someone desensetized to and able to condone (and get off to) absolutely disgusting shit. During sex, the girl tells the guy not to do something but the guy ignores her and does that thing anyways? It's fine, she enjoys it. A scene where at least one character is a high schooler? Lol it's fine this is anime, and she's hot. Fucking someone who doesn't even know what an orgasm is because they're just that uninformed about their own body? Not manipulative at all! A scene where the girl's extremely embarrassed but the guy just doesn't care and straight up gets to fucking her anyway? Who gives a shit about communication and consent? Fuck a character that looks like a 10 year old, who fucking cares as long as you can find a group of people to reassure you that it's okay? 
    Now, this isn't exclusive to Fuwanovel. The entire fucking anime, manga and VN community turns a blind eye to this shit. 
    I'm fucking 19, I've regularly immersed myself in this content and this way of looking at media and pornography that the Fuwanovel community and the VN community fed to me on a near-daily basis for five years. That's 25% of my life. A long time. 
    I'm only now realizing just how fucked up and directly hurtful to real people this is. Did you know so much as hearing about people who casually masturbate to drawings of children can send victims of child sexual abuse into panic attacks they take hours if not days to recover from? Did you know that when you masturbate to porn featuring coercion or worse for a long time you can become a person who can be aroused by someone else's sincere pain? Do you know how easy it is to develop misconceptions and unhealthy understandings about sex, sexuality, and consent when almost all porn condoned by the people you talk to on a peer basis every day makes a mockery of the concept of treating someone you're making love to as a person? 
    I played Euphoria at 15 and I still get extremely disturbed and uncomfortable when I think about it.
    I'm not even necessarily a victim of any of this. Just months if not weeks ago I casually recommended pornography that does exactly this to people on here. I've played my deliberate, informed, willful part in normalizing getting off to ANY depiction of abuse whatsoever. I am complicit.
    I don't know if I talked about it on here before, but I've been struggling for years about knowing I am a person with some of these fucked up fantasies. I wouldn't even think of doing anything about it in real life, because I know it can fucking hurt people. But it took me five years to even understand why even learning about it can make some feel preyed upon or manipulated. It's just... not healthy. It's fucking creepy, it's gross. I literally hate myself for it, and deserve to do so, because it's a thing to be hated.
    Being able to derive pleasure from someone being subjected to pain, or being violated, or being manipulated or coerced... That's gross, creepy, unhealthy, and harmful.
    If you still want to get off to depraved shit, at least keep it to yourself and to spaces where people are willing to examine what indulging in such fetishes does to them and the people around them. 
    It's not a normal thing to do. It's dangerous, in the truest sense of the word, and if you want to consume media that normalizes abuse, it's your full responsibility to ensure the safety of people you reveal that activity and spread such media to.
    I know, because I normalized it in my head, and I'm still working to understand how it can hurt other people, because I've thrown the part of me that can empathize with that and then told other people it's okay to do so as well.
    You might be able to deflect blame from yourself by saying it's my fault or my parents' fault that I hurt myself by engaging with proponents of extreme pornography in the VN community. That's on you.
    But I know I, too, am to blame for condoning these things that I didn't realize hurt me. 
    It's not worth it. Getting off to fucked up shit is not worth telling someone coercion, rape, or any abuse could or should be enjoyable in any capacity. Even if you tell yourself that fiction, perhaps the clearest reflection of people's cultural, philosophical and personal beliefs, has no bearing whatsoever on real life.
    I want none of it anymore. I want to do better than that. Be better than that. 
    And I think that means letting go of the me that used to be OK with abusive pornography. 
    And that means letting go of Fuwanovel.
    And that's why I'm leaving.
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    Funyarinpa reacted to Fiddle in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    Let's hope your ISP doesn't ban gfycat, so that you can see how I feel about your nonsense.

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    Funyarinpa reacted to solidbatman in ~~~~~~~~~~ Canceled Project ~~~~~~~~~~   
    Just a heads up for you @Deeth. The developers have said they intend to port the new console release to PC when they are able to but Reincarnation is tricky due to licensing issues as I said earlier. That being said, they stated they are going to negotiate to try and get the full console release over to PC. 
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    Funyarinpa reacted to solidbatman in ~~~~~~~~~~ Canceled Project ~~~~~~~~~~   
    Site leadership changed and partnerships were formed with localization companies as steam releases and obscure releases became more common. We felt that assisting through legal means was more valuable than supporting continued piracy. 

    As for this, I think I misunderstood the project originally, but I am glad you are not packaging it as I originally believed. So, yeah, you should be within forum rules. Which makes me glad; Fata Morgana is a phenomenal VN and I want the developers to get as much cash as possible from this. 
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    Funyarinpa reacted to uyjulian in ~~~~~~~~~~ Canceled Project ~~~~~~~~~~   
    Good news: All assets needed are extractable. Now all I need to do is to make plugins that allow the reading of the assets directly.
    This is a patch that requires a copy of the Vita version of "The House in Fata Morgana Dreams of the Revenants Edition" to work, and I will not be bundling it with my patch.
     
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    Funyarinpa got a reaction from Kenshin_sama in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    (This is difficult to write. Also, it's going to get personal, and if you need any trigger warnings, it's probably best to stay away, this might be disturbing for you.) IF YOU ARE NOT OF LEGAL AGE OR YOUNGER THAN 18 YEARS OLD, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT READING THIS MIGHT DO TO YOU, I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. 
    I found this website very shortly after I got into VNs, because I was looking for a way to play Ever17. That was 2014, and I was 14 then.
    It's been... five years. Fuwa meant a lot to me in that time, and I think it still does now. By making me an ardent fan of VNs this place sidetracked my entire academic career (love to read 'em and post on forums too much now  ) and as such will always hold a place in my life and heart. I still have one of the highest post counts on here, and I've seen a whole ton of people come and go. I'm one of the old guard so to speak, and I'm proud of that, in a way. Fuwa has changed in big and small ways since I joined... I wasn't here for Aaeru, but I was here for Okami and Ren and more Fuwapocalypses I can count.
    But I'll be leaving. It's a hard decision, but I think I've long truly left the things that once connected me to this forum in the first place. I don't know if I can or will get my account deleted, or do anything of the sort... I don't know how I feel, ultimately, about having been a part of this place for 5 years. I'm trying not to stop writing, because my decision to leave has to do with one of the most disgusting personal issues I've ever had and it's easy to give up on writing this and close the tab, and move on with my day.
    It's hard to sort out what I want to say. Since I'll be leaving, I also want to give my gratitude to this website and particularly some of its people, but I'll try to leave that to the end, ö. First, I want to discuss why Fuwanovel, and the VN community as a whole, hurt me at large. I've not posted extensively on here for a long time. And I think it'll end up staying that way.
    One of the reasons I started to get less involved here was that I got the impression we had some Trump supporters here (just as a general sentiment). But seeing as I continue to participate on other websites which also condone such bigotry, I can't really say that that's the only reason I am leaving. It's the administration's prerogative to allow that. 
    Another, more involved reason was actually due to something more general to the VN community (and actually even more generally, the anime/manga community). 
    The extent to which we condone harmful pornography. 
    Back then in 2014, when this was the main place I talked to people about my interests, this was also a slightly different place. We had a vigilante sort of doctrine, whereby we distributed torrents of fan translated visual novels to build a fanbase by simply getting people to pirate the games we loved. Many of you reading this (and probably the three of you that care) already know this, but anyways. I don't know how well it worked or how much it contributed in the end, but it hooked me. 
    Another aspect of 2014 Fuwanovel, however, was more insidious... Loli shit.
    I remember particularly a fellow going by the name of Steve being absolutely bonkers about this shit. Posting loli stuff everywhere. But this is not a Steve callout post.
    We've all heard the rationalizations... "It's fictional", "It keeps actual pedos from offending", "I am a lolicon because they're cute", "Free speech means nothing I say, do or condone has any consequence", the list goes on.
    But at the end of the day we had (have) a lot of people who still thought and think it's a perfectly normal and safe thing to do to jack off to drawings of children. If you're here to debate this with me, just close the tab and save yourself the trouble.
    Now, especially if you're a newer member, you might be confused about this loli stuff, they don't seem very prevalent now. Well, that's because the hosting service that runs the servers for the entire forum forced Fuwanovel to get rid of any loli pornography out of legal concerns a few years ago. There was a lot of mod-related drama about it before, too.
    So what's the issue if it's banned on here now?
    Well... 3 things. 1. I've seen no self reflection or serious discussion of this, I don't think I've seen anyone seriously reflect on the extremity of pornography that is allowed to condone here. 2. The mentality that normalized being a "lolicon" (in normal person terms, pedophile) is still alive. 3. I've realized how much it hurt me. 
    Acting like there's no repercussions to enjoying jerking off to ANY DEPICTION OF children, or rape, or coercion, or manipulation (and probably incest) all-too-common in visual novels is... reductive. It's dangerous. We might've enabled someone who saw the lolicon posts on this forum, and decided to make that a reality- and we'll never know. But whether that happened or not is irrelevant. At the end of the day, Fuwanovel is still a place where even if you can't talk about loli stuff, you can talk about Starless or any number of games that make a fetish out of depraved, fucked up, harmful, sexist shit, without examining what it does to you or other people. 
    I know there's no question of whether it's harmful or not, because I've slowly come to realize that it directly hurt me and my mentality about sex and sexuality. 
    Now, it might be because that I browsed this place while underage for years. Maybe my parents should've known better than to let me use the internet unsupervised. Maybe just warping the mentalities of children and teenagers is a worthy price to pay to freely discuss VNs. Maybe *I* should've known better, but known better than to stay in this place after I saw the word "lolicon" be used in casual conversation for the first time.
    But in direct part thanks to VNs and attitudes I saw on here, I became someone desensetized to and able to condone (and get off to) absolutely disgusting shit. During sex, the girl tells the guy not to do something but the guy ignores her and does that thing anyways? It's fine, she enjoys it. A scene where at least one character is a high schooler? Lol it's fine this is anime, and she's hot. Fucking someone who doesn't even know what an orgasm is because they're just that uninformed about their own body? Not manipulative at all! A scene where the girl's extremely embarrassed but the guy just doesn't care and straight up gets to fucking her anyway? Who gives a shit about communication and consent? Fuck a character that looks like a 10 year old, who fucking cares as long as you can find a group of people to reassure you that it's okay? 
    Now, this isn't exclusive to Fuwanovel. The entire fucking anime, manga and VN community turns a blind eye to this shit. 
    I'm fucking 19, I've regularly immersed myself in this content and this way of looking at media and pornography that the Fuwanovel community and the VN community fed to me on a near-daily basis for five years. That's 25% of my life. A long time. 
    I'm only now realizing just how fucked up and directly hurtful to real people this is. Did you know so much as hearing about people who casually masturbate to drawings of children can send victims of child sexual abuse into panic attacks they take hours if not days to recover from? Did you know that when you masturbate to porn featuring coercion or worse for a long time you can become a person who can be aroused by someone else's sincere pain? Do you know how easy it is to develop misconceptions and unhealthy understandings about sex, sexuality, and consent when almost all porn condoned by the people you talk to on a peer basis every day makes a mockery of the concept of treating someone you're making love to as a person? 
    I played Euphoria at 15 and I still get extremely disturbed and uncomfortable when I think about it.
    I'm not even necessarily a victim of any of this. Just months if not weeks ago I casually recommended pornography that does exactly this to people on here. I've played my deliberate, informed, willful part in normalizing getting off to ANY depiction of abuse whatsoever. I am complicit.
    I don't know if I talked about it on here before, but I've been struggling for years about knowing I am a person with some of these fucked up fantasies. I wouldn't even think of doing anything about it in real life, because I know it can fucking hurt people. But it took me five years to even understand why even learning about it can make some feel preyed upon or manipulated. It's just... not healthy. It's fucking creepy, it's gross. I literally hate myself for it, and deserve to do so, because it's a thing to be hated.
    Being able to derive pleasure from someone being subjected to pain, or being violated, or being manipulated or coerced... That's gross, creepy, unhealthy, and harmful.
    If you still want to get off to depraved shit, at least keep it to yourself and to spaces where people are willing to examine what indulging in such fetishes does to them and the people around them. 
    It's not a normal thing to do. It's dangerous, in the truest sense of the word, and if you want to consume media that normalizes abuse, it's your full responsibility to ensure the safety of people you reveal that activity and spread such media to.
    I know, because I normalized it in my head, and I'm still working to understand how it can hurt other people, because I've thrown the part of me that can empathize with that and then told other people it's okay to do so as well.
    You might be able to deflect blame from yourself by saying it's my fault or my parents' fault that I hurt myself by engaging with proponents of extreme pornography in the VN community. That's on you.
    But I know I, too, am to blame for condoning these things that I didn't realize hurt me. 
    It's not worth it. Getting off to fucked up shit is not worth telling someone coercion, rape, or any abuse could or should be enjoyable in any capacity. Even if you tell yourself that fiction, perhaps the clearest reflection of people's cultural, philosophical and personal beliefs, has no bearing whatsoever on real life.
    I want none of it anymore. I want to do better than that. Be better than that. 
    And I think that means letting go of the me that used to be OK with abusive pornography. 
    And that means letting go of Fuwanovel.
    And that's why I'm leaving.
  18. Thanks
    Funyarinpa got a reaction from KainLegacy535 in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    (This is difficult to write. Also, it's going to get personal, and if you need any trigger warnings, it's probably best to stay away, this might be disturbing for you.) IF YOU ARE NOT OF LEGAL AGE OR YOUNGER THAN 18 YEARS OLD, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT READING THIS MIGHT DO TO YOU, I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. 
    I found this website very shortly after I got into VNs, because I was looking for a way to play Ever17. That was 2014, and I was 14 then.
    It's been... five years. Fuwa meant a lot to me in that time, and I think it still does now. By making me an ardent fan of VNs this place sidetracked my entire academic career (love to read 'em and post on forums too much now  ) and as such will always hold a place in my life and heart. I still have one of the highest post counts on here, and I've seen a whole ton of people come and go. I'm one of the old guard so to speak, and I'm proud of that, in a way. Fuwa has changed in big and small ways since I joined... I wasn't here for Aaeru, but I was here for Okami and Ren and more Fuwapocalypses I can count.
    But I'll be leaving. It's a hard decision, but I think I've long truly left the things that once connected me to this forum in the first place. I don't know if I can or will get my account deleted, or do anything of the sort... I don't know how I feel, ultimately, about having been a part of this place for 5 years. I'm trying not to stop writing, because my decision to leave has to do with one of the most disgusting personal issues I've ever had and it's easy to give up on writing this and close the tab, and move on with my day.
    It's hard to sort out what I want to say. Since I'll be leaving, I also want to give my gratitude to this website and particularly some of its people, but I'll try to leave that to the end, ö. First, I want to discuss why Fuwanovel, and the VN community as a whole, hurt me at large. I've not posted extensively on here for a long time. And I think it'll end up staying that way.
    One of the reasons I started to get less involved here was that I got the impression we had some Trump supporters here (just as a general sentiment). But seeing as I continue to participate on other websites which also condone such bigotry, I can't really say that that's the only reason I am leaving. It's the administration's prerogative to allow that. 
    Another, more involved reason was actually due to something more general to the VN community (and actually even more generally, the anime/manga community). 
    The extent to which we condone harmful pornography. 
    Back then in 2014, when this was the main place I talked to people about my interests, this was also a slightly different place. We had a vigilante sort of doctrine, whereby we distributed torrents of fan translated visual novels to build a fanbase by simply getting people to pirate the games we loved. Many of you reading this (and probably the three of you that care) already know this, but anyways. I don't know how well it worked or how much it contributed in the end, but it hooked me. 
    Another aspect of 2014 Fuwanovel, however, was more insidious... Loli shit.
    I remember particularly a fellow going by the name of Steve being absolutely bonkers about this shit. Posting loli stuff everywhere. But this is not a Steve callout post.
    We've all heard the rationalizations... "It's fictional", "It keeps actual pedos from offending", "I am a lolicon because they're cute", "Free speech means nothing I say, do or condone has any consequence", the list goes on.
    But at the end of the day we had (have) a lot of people who still thought and think it's a perfectly normal and safe thing to do to jack off to drawings of children. If you're here to debate this with me, just close the tab and save yourself the trouble.
    Now, especially if you're a newer member, you might be confused about this loli stuff, they don't seem very prevalent now. Well, that's because the hosting service that runs the servers for the entire forum forced Fuwanovel to get rid of any loli pornography out of legal concerns a few years ago. There was a lot of mod-related drama about it before, too.
    So what's the issue if it's banned on here now?
    Well... 3 things. 1. I've seen no self reflection or serious discussion of this, I don't think I've seen anyone seriously reflect on the extremity of pornography that is allowed to condone here. 2. The mentality that normalized being a "lolicon" (in normal person terms, pedophile) is still alive. 3. I've realized how much it hurt me. 
    Acting like there's no repercussions to enjoying jerking off to ANY DEPICTION OF children, or rape, or coercion, or manipulation (and probably incest) all-too-common in visual novels is... reductive. It's dangerous. We might've enabled someone who saw the lolicon posts on this forum, and decided to make that a reality- and we'll never know. But whether that happened or not is irrelevant. At the end of the day, Fuwanovel is still a place where even if you can't talk about loli stuff, you can talk about Starless or any number of games that make a fetish out of depraved, fucked up, harmful, sexist shit, without examining what it does to you or other people. 
    I know there's no question of whether it's harmful or not, because I've slowly come to realize that it directly hurt me and my mentality about sex and sexuality. 
    Now, it might be because that I browsed this place while underage for years. Maybe my parents should've known better than to let me use the internet unsupervised. Maybe just warping the mentalities of children and teenagers is a worthy price to pay to freely discuss VNs. Maybe *I* should've known better, but known better than to stay in this place after I saw the word "lolicon" be used in casual conversation for the first time.
    But in direct part thanks to VNs and attitudes I saw on here, I became someone desensetized to and able to condone (and get off to) absolutely disgusting shit. During sex, the girl tells the guy not to do something but the guy ignores her and does that thing anyways? It's fine, she enjoys it. A scene where at least one character is a high schooler? Lol it's fine this is anime, and she's hot. Fucking someone who doesn't even know what an orgasm is because they're just that uninformed about their own body? Not manipulative at all! A scene where the girl's extremely embarrassed but the guy just doesn't care and straight up gets to fucking her anyway? Who gives a shit about communication and consent? Fuck a character that looks like a 10 year old, who fucking cares as long as you can find a group of people to reassure you that it's okay? 
    Now, this isn't exclusive to Fuwanovel. The entire fucking anime, manga and VN community turns a blind eye to this shit. 
    I'm fucking 19, I've regularly immersed myself in this content and this way of looking at media and pornography that the Fuwanovel community and the VN community fed to me on a near-daily basis for five years. That's 25% of my life. A long time. 
    I'm only now realizing just how fucked up and directly hurtful to real people this is. Did you know so much as hearing about people who casually masturbate to drawings of children can send victims of child sexual abuse into panic attacks they take hours if not days to recover from? Did you know that when you masturbate to porn featuring coercion or worse for a long time you can become a person who can be aroused by someone else's sincere pain? Do you know how easy it is to develop misconceptions and unhealthy understandings about sex, sexuality, and consent when almost all porn condoned by the people you talk to on a peer basis every day makes a mockery of the concept of treating someone you're making love to as a person? 
    I played Euphoria at 15 and I still get extremely disturbed and uncomfortable when I think about it.
    I'm not even necessarily a victim of any of this. Just months if not weeks ago I casually recommended pornography that does exactly this to people on here. I've played my deliberate, informed, willful part in normalizing getting off to ANY depiction of abuse whatsoever. I am complicit.
    I don't know if I talked about it on here before, but I've been struggling for years about knowing I am a person with some of these fucked up fantasies. I wouldn't even think of doing anything about it in real life, because I know it can fucking hurt people. But it took me five years to even understand why even learning about it can make some feel preyed upon or manipulated. It's just... not healthy. It's fucking creepy, it's gross. I literally hate myself for it, and deserve to do so, because it's a thing to be hated.
    Being able to derive pleasure from someone being subjected to pain, or being violated, or being manipulated or coerced... That's gross, creepy, unhealthy, and harmful.
    If you still want to get off to depraved shit, at least keep it to yourself and to spaces where people are willing to examine what indulging in such fetishes does to them and the people around them. 
    It's not a normal thing to do. It's dangerous, in the truest sense of the word, and if you want to consume media that normalizes abuse, it's your full responsibility to ensure the safety of people you reveal that activity and spread such media to.
    I know, because I normalized it in my head, and I'm still working to understand how it can hurt other people, because I've thrown the part of me that can empathize with that and then told other people it's okay to do so as well.
    You might be able to deflect blame from yourself by saying it's my fault or my parents' fault that I hurt myself by engaging with proponents of extreme pornography in the VN community. That's on you.
    But I know I, too, am to blame for condoning these things that I didn't realize hurt me. 
    It's not worth it. Getting off to fucked up shit is not worth telling someone coercion, rape, or any abuse could or should be enjoyable in any capacity. Even if you tell yourself that fiction, perhaps the clearest reflection of people's cultural, philosophical and personal beliefs, has no bearing whatsoever on real life.
    I want none of it anymore. I want to do better than that. Be better than that. 
    And I think that means letting go of the me that used to be OK with abusive pornography. 
    And that means letting go of Fuwanovel.
    And that's why I'm leaving.
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    Funyarinpa reacted to Clephas in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    Lolis are cute, loli sex is disgusting...  Worse is the absolute worship of loliconism that was particularly prevalent during the opening days of Fuwa.  It disgusts me that Maitetsu got localized, and it endangers the community as a whole.  It often amazes me how blind people are to how eroge effect them.
    Hell, I used to be a prude, now I just know where my boundaries are.  That's a much bigger change than you'd think, considering it mostly began after I started playing eroge.  It isn't just loliconism, it's ryona and constant justification of rapegames... I feel fouled whenever I come across that stuff while browsing dlsite or vndb... 
    Edit:  Loliconism is prevalent throughout all otaku communities, though it was much worse five to six years ago.  A lot of the reason why it is (finally) fading away is because less lolicon material is being produced by the commercial industry in Japan (though the doujin circles are as lively as ever).   There was a time when someone seriously saying lolicon is disgusting could get shouted down in any given otaku community.  Now, we've transitioned to an era where no one really wants to talk about it, which is moderately less distasteful, if no less problematic. 
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    Funyarinpa got a reaction from Plk_Lesiak in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    (This is difficult to write. Also, it's going to get personal, and if you need any trigger warnings, it's probably best to stay away, this might be disturbing for you.) IF YOU ARE NOT OF LEGAL AGE OR YOUNGER THAN 18 YEARS OLD, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT READING THIS MIGHT DO TO YOU, I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. 
    I found this website very shortly after I got into VNs, because I was looking for a way to play Ever17. That was 2014, and I was 14 then.
    It's been... five years. Fuwa meant a lot to me in that time, and I think it still does now. By making me an ardent fan of VNs this place sidetracked my entire academic career (love to read 'em and post on forums too much now  ) and as such will always hold a place in my life and heart. I still have one of the highest post counts on here, and I've seen a whole ton of people come and go. I'm one of the old guard so to speak, and I'm proud of that, in a way. Fuwa has changed in big and small ways since I joined... I wasn't here for Aaeru, but I was here for Okami and Ren and more Fuwapocalypses I can count.
    But I'll be leaving. It's a hard decision, but I think I've long truly left the things that once connected me to this forum in the first place. I don't know if I can or will get my account deleted, or do anything of the sort... I don't know how I feel, ultimately, about having been a part of this place for 5 years. I'm trying not to stop writing, because my decision to leave has to do with one of the most disgusting personal issues I've ever had and it's easy to give up on writing this and close the tab, and move on with my day.
    It's hard to sort out what I want to say. Since I'll be leaving, I also want to give my gratitude to this website and particularly some of its people, but I'll try to leave that to the end, ö. First, I want to discuss why Fuwanovel, and the VN community as a whole, hurt me at large. I've not posted extensively on here for a long time. And I think it'll end up staying that way.
    One of the reasons I started to get less involved here was that I got the impression we had some Trump supporters here (just as a general sentiment). But seeing as I continue to participate on other websites which also condone such bigotry, I can't really say that that's the only reason I am leaving. It's the administration's prerogative to allow that. 
    Another, more involved reason was actually due to something more general to the VN community (and actually even more generally, the anime/manga community). 
    The extent to which we condone harmful pornography. 
    Back then in 2014, when this was the main place I talked to people about my interests, this was also a slightly different place. We had a vigilante sort of doctrine, whereby we distributed torrents of fan translated visual novels to build a fanbase by simply getting people to pirate the games we loved. Many of you reading this (and probably the three of you that care) already know this, but anyways. I don't know how well it worked or how much it contributed in the end, but it hooked me. 
    Another aspect of 2014 Fuwanovel, however, was more insidious... Loli shit.
    I remember particularly a fellow going by the name of Steve being absolutely bonkers about this shit. Posting loli stuff everywhere. But this is not a Steve callout post.
    We've all heard the rationalizations... "It's fictional", "It keeps actual pedos from offending", "I am a lolicon because they're cute", "Free speech means nothing I say, do or condone has any consequence", the list goes on.
    But at the end of the day we had (have) a lot of people who still thought and think it's a perfectly normal and safe thing to do to jack off to drawings of children. If you're here to debate this with me, just close the tab and save yourself the trouble.
    Now, especially if you're a newer member, you might be confused about this loli stuff, they don't seem very prevalent now. Well, that's because the hosting service that runs the servers for the entire forum forced Fuwanovel to get rid of any loli pornography out of legal concerns a few years ago. There was a lot of mod-related drama about it before, too.
    So what's the issue if it's banned on here now?
    Well... 3 things. 1. I've seen no self reflection or serious discussion of this, I don't think I've seen anyone seriously reflect on the extremity of pornography that is allowed to condone here. 2. The mentality that normalized being a "lolicon" (in normal person terms, pedophile) is still alive. 3. I've realized how much it hurt me. 
    Acting like there's no repercussions to enjoying jerking off to ANY DEPICTION OF children, or rape, or coercion, or manipulation (and probably incest) all-too-common in visual novels is... reductive. It's dangerous. We might've enabled someone who saw the lolicon posts on this forum, and decided to make that a reality- and we'll never know. But whether that happened or not is irrelevant. At the end of the day, Fuwanovel is still a place where even if you can't talk about loli stuff, you can talk about Starless or any number of games that make a fetish out of depraved, fucked up, harmful, sexist shit, without examining what it does to you or other people. 
    I know there's no question of whether it's harmful or not, because I've slowly come to realize that it directly hurt me and my mentality about sex and sexuality. 
    Now, it might be because that I browsed this place while underage for years. Maybe my parents should've known better than to let me use the internet unsupervised. Maybe just warping the mentalities of children and teenagers is a worthy price to pay to freely discuss VNs. Maybe *I* should've known better, but known better than to stay in this place after I saw the word "lolicon" be used in casual conversation for the first time.
    But in direct part thanks to VNs and attitudes I saw on here, I became someone desensetized to and able to condone (and get off to) absolutely disgusting shit. During sex, the girl tells the guy not to do something but the guy ignores her and does that thing anyways? It's fine, she enjoys it. A scene where at least one character is a high schooler? Lol it's fine this is anime, and she's hot. Fucking someone who doesn't even know what an orgasm is because they're just that uninformed about their own body? Not manipulative at all! A scene where the girl's extremely embarrassed but the guy just doesn't care and straight up gets to fucking her anyway? Who gives a shit about communication and consent? Fuck a character that looks like a 10 year old, who fucking cares as long as you can find a group of people to reassure you that it's okay? 
    Now, this isn't exclusive to Fuwanovel. The entire fucking anime, manga and VN community turns a blind eye to this shit. 
    I'm fucking 19, I've regularly immersed myself in this content and this way of looking at media and pornography that the Fuwanovel community and the VN community fed to me on a near-daily basis for five years. That's 25% of my life. A long time. 
    I'm only now realizing just how fucked up and directly hurtful to real people this is. Did you know so much as hearing about people who casually masturbate to drawings of children can send victims of child sexual abuse into panic attacks they take hours if not days to recover from? Did you know that when you masturbate to porn featuring coercion or worse for a long time you can become a person who can be aroused by someone else's sincere pain? Do you know how easy it is to develop misconceptions and unhealthy understandings about sex, sexuality, and consent when almost all porn condoned by the people you talk to on a peer basis every day makes a mockery of the concept of treating someone you're making love to as a person? 
    I played Euphoria at 15 and I still get extremely disturbed and uncomfortable when I think about it.
    I'm not even necessarily a victim of any of this. Just months if not weeks ago I casually recommended pornography that does exactly this to people on here. I've played my deliberate, informed, willful part in normalizing getting off to ANY depiction of abuse whatsoever. I am complicit.
    I don't know if I talked about it on here before, but I've been struggling for years about knowing I am a person with some of these fucked up fantasies. I wouldn't even think of doing anything about it in real life, because I know it can fucking hurt people. But it took me five years to even understand why even learning about it can make some feel preyed upon or manipulated. It's just... not healthy. It's fucking creepy, it's gross. I literally hate myself for it, and deserve to do so, because it's a thing to be hated.
    Being able to derive pleasure from someone being subjected to pain, or being violated, or being manipulated or coerced... That's gross, creepy, unhealthy, and harmful.
    If you still want to get off to depraved shit, at least keep it to yourself and to spaces where people are willing to examine what indulging in such fetishes does to them and the people around them. 
    It's not a normal thing to do. It's dangerous, in the truest sense of the word, and if you want to consume media that normalizes abuse, it's your full responsibility to ensure the safety of people you reveal that activity and spread such media to.
    I know, because I normalized it in my head, and I'm still working to understand how it can hurt other people, because I've thrown the part of me that can empathize with that and then told other people it's okay to do so as well.
    You might be able to deflect blame from yourself by saying it's my fault or my parents' fault that I hurt myself by engaging with proponents of extreme pornography in the VN community. That's on you.
    But I know I, too, am to blame for condoning these things that I didn't realize hurt me. 
    It's not worth it. Getting off to fucked up shit is not worth telling someone coercion, rape, or any abuse could or should be enjoyable in any capacity. Even if you tell yourself that fiction, perhaps the clearest reflection of people's cultural, philosophical and personal beliefs, has no bearing whatsoever on real life.
    I want none of it anymore. I want to do better than that. Be better than that. 
    And I think that means letting go of the me that used to be OK with abusive pornography. 
    And that means letting go of Fuwanovel.
    And that's why I'm leaving.
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    Funyarinpa reacted to Fiddle in I'm leaving Fuwanovel, because I'm starting to realize that this community and the VN community at large has hurt me.   
    If you don't get rid of the Santa hat in your avatar before leaving, I swear I'll eat my shoes.
    Here, I'll even give you (AGAIN) the proper version of it. Wow, isn't Fiddle a nice guy? If I were someone whose avatar still had a Santa hat in it, I'd want to get rid of said Santa hat, especially out of courtesy for the guy who gave me that Santa hat in the first place. A fine parting gift, if I do say so myself.

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    Funyarinpa got a reaction from Dreamysyu in Is Euphoria worth it ?   
    Honestly, no. 
    Most people on here have somehow managed to desensitize themselves about literally the most disgusting scenes of assault I've seen in any work (seriously, the amount of literal torture going on just... ramps... up). There's a story that stitches them together, and it's a decently good story on its own, but even though I've seen interpretations of Euphoria that justify the gratuitous sexualization present in all assault scenes, the sexualization is still there, and most characters seem to conveniently not have much of a response to being tortured and assaulted whatsoever outside the scenes themselves, which signifies to me rape is prominent in this VN for the shock/literal torture porn factor, and not for writing. 
    Frankly, this is a story that could've been written without sexualized rape (and without a stupid amount of sympathy imposed by the text for the protagonist). Euphoria is a game that has in a rather literal sense hurt me (partly also because I played it way too young), and I believe the reason it ends up being recommended is 90% because people who want to jack off to fictional torture got a decent story with it and 10% because people played it for the story and found it was worth going through 30 or so scenes of torture. 
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    Funyarinpa got a reaction from Dergonu in Fuwanovel Confessions   
    I'm losing my shit 
    That's so stupid but makes so much sense at the same time (hint: the incel identity isn't just about being lonely and wanting a partner)
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    Funyarinpa got a reaction from Plk_Lesiak in Fuwanovel Confessions   
    I'm losing my shit 
    That's so stupid but makes so much sense at the same time (hint: the incel identity isn't just about being lonely and wanting a partner)
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    Funyarinpa reacted to Plk_Lesiak in Fuwanovel Confessions   
    Confession: I've just learned that there's is a large subreddit (and more broadly, a large community) of femcels, that is more or less female incels, but them and male incels hate each other with a burning passion (instead of, like, hooking up and cancelling each other's problems?). If this doesn't represent perfectly how screwed up modern society is, I'm not sure what does.  (+ crying inside)
    EDIT: And funnily enough, I think the lady that introduced me to the fact of femcels being a thing is the same person that made this memorable Bing search I mentioned in my previous post. She went to /vnsuggest subreddit today looking for "yuri lolicon visual novel" and got downvoted to hell, but her nick, "femcelforever", sparked my curiosity.
    BTW, that's probably on my top 5 list of saddest nicks anyone could use online. 
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