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Japanese Super Challenge 2013








Do you want to learn Japanese?


Do you want to play Visual Novels/Read Love Hina/Watch Pokemon in Japanese?


Do you want to learn to do so with a bunch of friends?





Then join with me and take Super Challenge 2013!





(Background Music for this post -
Link)








QUICKSTART GUIDE




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* * * * * * * * *


Introduction to the Challenge





There's been a lot of talk about learning Japanese on the forums. I, myself, essentially found Fuwanovel through Aaeru's landmark blog post about learning Japanese (
link). For many, learning Japanese becomes a years-long (or lifelong) quest that is full of fresh starts, re-starts, and re-re-starts. Some make it all the way to the level of reading/writing/speaking (or a combination of those three), and some never do.




I'd like to propose a Fuwanovel group dedicated to learning as much Japanese as possible this year.








Here's what the group will look like:


Sign Up. People interested in taking the challenge will sign up - The "Founding Members" (aka, anybody interested in starting ASAP) will sign up by responding to this post. If there's enough support, we'll create our own little sub-forum with a dedicated sign-up page Strength in Community. Members will post progress updates at least once a week (more on this below) as to how they're doing. People who are struggling can request (or, if we like the idea, be given right off the bat) a "buddy" -- somebody dedicated to the program, or who is further along in the program than they are -- to regularly check in on them and give them encouragement. We'll all be encouraging each other in the forums along the way. Once we have a sub-forum, each person will have their own "topic".
Four Stages. There will be four stages in the program:
1) The Kanji Stage
2) The Kana Stage
3) The Grammar Stage
4) The Advanced Stage
Fuwa-Centric. All material necessary for success will be linked to/provided as we go. While we all have different learning styles, some tools are important for everybody to use. We'll link to lots of different resources to help us out on the way.








* * * * * * * * *


* * * * * * * * *


The Four Stages





The Kanji Stage





We will start by learning ~2200 Kanji (the
Jōyō kanji, or a list of kanji the Japanese government determined to be the most used and most important in regular life). This is the biggest hurdle for learning Japanese, but once it's over, the rest is MUCH easier (for two reasons: 1) you already have good study habits, and 2) Kanji are a huge psychological barrier).




The easiest way to study the Kanji is by using Dr. Hesig's Remembering the Kanji (RTK) method. This involves two resources: #1) Hesig's book (
amazon) (link) and a SRS-based memory program like Anki (program link) (RTK 6 recommended deck). I will be using the 6th Edition of his book, and recommend you do the same, as it has multiple corrections as well as new kanji.





Kanji Stage Breakdown:




Members are encouraged to choose a study plan: Pick a number of new kanji a day, such as 10, 25, 50, etc. Ex: 25/Day - Done in three months! Ex: 50/Day - Done in less than two months! Using Anki on your computer/phone/tablet, you will study 25 NEW kanji a day per Hesig's study method (more on this below), and review old kanji based on SRS spacing technology Seems like a big hurdle, but it's not! Once you get going it's fun and quick



One important point about the Kanji stage (and, really, the other stages): you will continue to SRS the Kanji through the rest of the program (and, in fact, your life). The day you finish RTK1 you'll have tons of reviews (though you'll be used to the load/pacing). Those will start spreading out further and further, though, proving mastery.
















The Kana Stage





For those that have already studied the Kanji, whipping out these puppies is a snap. I got both alphabets down in about 3 hours. My big advantage: I've already got great study habits from learning the Kanji (plus, I've learned great strategies for memorizing Japanese symbols). For this program, however, we're going to be a little more conservative.





Kana Stage Breakdown:


1 week of study One day devoted to Hiragana, one to Katakana Five days of practice (waaay more than you'll need, but just in case ) Mastery will come quickly, especially when we move on to grammar studies

















The Grammar Stage





This is where Japanese becomes very real and very fun. With our now-solid foundation of Kanji/Kana, we're now ready to move forward into learning how the language is structured. We will be using the AMAZING (and free!) grammar guide by Tae Kim. You can access the guide a number of ways:


On Tae Kim's website Via complete PDF version, compiled from the website A hardcopy version (my choice, which I'm very happy with) (Pic 1) (Pic 2) (Pic 3) On iOS devices via iTunes.





This grammar guide is AWESOME. You should plan to work through it at your own pace. I'm not to this step yet, so I'm not sure what's a reliable timeframe to suggest.












The Advanced Stage





There's a lot to do once you've got this amazing super-foundation. I'll post resources for advanced students, but at a glance they include:


Reading VNs (for both enjoyment and vocab/practice) Watching Anime with subtitles Reading Manga Practicing vocab/grammar through "Sentences" and "Cloze Deletion" decks on Anki (more on this later) Farming sentences And more!
At this point you're ready to really start enjoying your Japanese skills. From what I've heard by many folks, reaching this stage generally takes 6-8 months for the power-learners, but still less than a year for those who are persistent.

















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* * * * * * * * *


The Roadblocks and Why We Need a Community





Research has shown that any large undertaking is likely to hit a barrier at a few different points in the process: after 3 days, after 1 week, after 2 weeks, after 3 weeks, after 4 weeks, and then ~once every three months after that. Hitting a barrier can come in different forms: discouragement, feeling overwhelmed, and -- very pertinent to our project -- getting so busy with other things a person "puts the project on hold for 'one or two days', and never returns."











One fantastic solution to this problem has been demonstrated by repeated clinical trials and observation: a phenomenon called "Community Recruitment". Community Recruitment means that a person tells a friend/spouse/child/or group of people about a goal, and then asks for encouragement and follow-up. They then have to regularly report their progress. By utilizing community recruitment, success rates DOUBLED in most trials.








So how are we going to use this in our program?


All members are asked to write up a progress report at LEAST weekly for the Kanji stage We ask a special report be written on day 3 about how it's going, as well as first impressions By doing a day 3 report, as well as weekly reports during the Kanji stage, the community can encourage each other through the toughest part of the trip Post-Kanji stage, we'll recommend monthly updates







* * * * * * * * *


* * * * * * * * *


Signing Up




For now, if you're interested in signing up, please post your desire below. Also indicate when you' like to start. Tay (me) will be starting on Monday 1/28/2013.




The first comment under this topic is a "Quick Guide to Starting". Refer to that for instructions on how to start, as well as a forecast through the Kanji stage.







* * * * * * * * *


* * * * * * * * *


The Tools / Resources








Below is a list of recommended/alternate study tools and resources.






http://kanji.koohii.com/

Anki (ankisrs.net)


Remembering the Kanji, by James Heisig


(Also, see
this note if you can't afford the books)

Japanese Super Challenge 2013








Do you want to learn Japanese?


Do you want to play Visual Novels/Read Love Hina/Watch Pokemon in Japanese?


Do you want to learn to do so with a bunch of friends?





Then join with me and take Super Challenge 2013!





(Background Music for this post -
Link)








QUICKSTART GUIDE




* * * * * * * * *


* * * * * * * * *


Introduction to the Challenge





There's been a lot of talk about learning Japanese on the forums. I, myself, essentially found Fuwanovel through Aaeru's landmark blog post about learning Japanese (
link). For many, learning Japanese becomes a years-long (or lifelong) quest that is full of fresh starts, re-starts, and re-re-starts. Some make it all the way to the level of reading/writing/speaking (or a combination of those three), and some never do.




I'd like to propose a Fuwanovel group dedicated to learning as much Japanese as possible this year.








Here's what the group will look like:


Sign Up. People interested in taking the challenge will sign up - The "Founding Members" (aka, anybody interested in starting ASAP) will sign up by responding to this post. If there's enough support, we'll create our own little sub-forum with a dedicated sign-up page Strength in Community. Members will post progress updates at least once a week (more on this below) as to how they're doing. People who are struggling can request (or, if we like the idea, be given right off the bat) a "buddy" -- somebody dedicated to the program, or who is further along in the program than they are -- to regularly check in on them and give them encouragement. We'll all be encouraging each other in the forums along the way. Once we have a sub-forum, each person will have their own "topic".
Four Stages. There will be four stages in the program:
1) The Kanji Stage
2) The Kana Stage
3) The Grammar Stage
4) The Advanced Stage
Fuwa-Centric. All material necessary for success will be linked to/provided as we go. While we all have different learning styles, some tools are important for everybody to use. We'll link to lots of different resources to help us out on the way.








* * * * * * * * *


* * * * * * * * *


The Four Stages





The Kanji Stage





We will start by learning ~2200 Kanji (the
Jōyō kanji, or a list of kanji the Japanese government determined to be the most used and most important in regular life). This is the biggest hurdle for learning Japanese, but once it's over, the rest is MUCH easier (for two reasons: 1) you already have good study habits, and 2) Kanji are a huge psychological barrier).




The easiest way to study the Kanji is by using Dr. Hesig's Remembering the Kanji (RTK) method. This involves two resources: #1) Hesig's book (
amazon) (link) and a SRS-based memory program like Anki (program link) (RTK 6 recommended deck). I will be using the 6th Edition of his book, and recommend you do the same, as it has multiple corrections as well as new kanji.





Kanji Stage Breakdown:




Members are encouraged to choose a study plan: Pick a number of new kanji a day, such as 10, 25, 50, etc. Ex: 25/Day - Done in three months! Ex: 50/Day - Done in less than two months! Using Anki on your computer/phone/tablet, you will study 25 NEW kanji a day per Hesig's study method (more on this below), and review old kanji based on SRS spacing technology Seems like a big hurdle, but it's not! Once you get going it's fun and quick



One important point about the Kanji stage (and, really, the other stages): you will continue to SRS the Kanji through the rest of the program (and, in fact, your life). The day you finish RTK1 you'll have tons of reviews (though you'll be used to the load/pacing). Those will start spreading out further and further, though, proving mastery.
















The Kana Stage





For those that have already studied the Kanji, whipping out these puppies is a snap. I got both alphabets down in about 3 hours. My big advantage: I've already got great study habits from learning the Kanji (plus, I've learned great strategies for memorizing Japanese symbols). For this program, however, we're going to be a little more conservative.





Kana Stage Breakdown:


1 week of study One day devoted to Hiragana, one to Katakana Five days of practice (waaay more than you'll need, but just in case ) Mastery will come quickly, especially when we move on to grammar studies

















The Grammar Stage





This is where Japanese becomes very real and very fun. With our now-solid foundation of Kanji/Kana, we're now ready to move forward into learning how the language is structured. We will be using the AMAZING (and free!) grammar guide by Tae Kim. You can access the guide a number of ways:


On Tae Kim's website Via complete PDF version, compiled from the website A hardcopy version (my choice, which I'm very happy with) (Pic 1) (Pic 2) (Pic 3) On iOS devices via iTunes.





This grammar guide is AWESOME. You should plan to work through it at your own pace. I'm not to this step yet, so I'm not sure what's a reliable timeframe to suggest.












The Advanced Stage





There's a lot to do once you've got this amazing super-foundation. I'll post resources for advanced students, but at a glance they include:


Reading VNs (for both enjoyment and vocab/practice) Watching Anime with subtitles Reading Manga Practicing vocab/grammar through "Sentences" and "Cloze Deletion" decks on Anki (more on this later) Farming sentences And more!
At this point you're ready to really start enjoying your Japanese skills. From what I've heard by many folks, reaching this stage generally takes 6-8 months for the power-learners, but still less than a year for those who are persistent.

















* * * * * * * * *


* * * * * * * * *


The Roadblocks and Why We Need a Community





Research has shown that any large undertaking is likely to hit a barrier at a few different points in the process: after 3 days, after 1 week, after 2 weeks, after 3 weeks, after 4 weeks, and then ~once every three months after that. Hitting a barrier can come in different forms: discouragement, feeling overwhelmed, and -- very pertinent to our project -- getting so busy with other things a person "puts the project on hold for 'one or two days', and never returns."











One fantastic solution to this problem has been demonstrated by repeated clinical trials and observation: a phenomenon called "Community Recruitment". Community Recruitment means that a person tells a friend/spouse/child/or group of people about a goal, and then asks for encouragement and follow-up. They then have to regularly report their progress. By utilizing community recruitment, success rates DOUBLED in most trials.








So how are we going to use this in our program?


All members are asked to write up a progress report at LEAST weekly for the Kanji stage We ask a special report be written on day 3 about how it's going, as well as first impressions By doing a day 3 report, as well as weekly reports during the Kanji stage, the community can encourage each other through the toughest part of the trip Post-Kanji stage, we'll recommend monthly updates







* * * * * * * * *


* * * * * * * * *


Signing Up




For now, if you're interested in signing up, please post your desire below. Also indicate when you' like to start. Tay (me) will be starting on Monday 1/28/2013.




The first comment under this topic is a "Quick Guide to Starting". Refer to that for instructions on how to start, as well as a forecast through the Kanji stage.







* * * * * * * * *


* * * * * * * * *


The Tools / Resources








Below is a list of recommended/alternate study tools and resources.






http://kanji.koohii.com/

Anki (ankisrs.net)


Remembering the Kanji, by James Heisig


(Also, see
this note if you can't afford the books)

I don't normally post content online but since Tay asked so nicely I figured I might as well post something.
This is pretty much the only drawings I have preserved digitally as I have only began to use my tablet recently. Hope I'll get som drawings scanned in so I can colour them later.


This is a stylized self-portrait. Its also the first picture I drew on my tablet in years.



One of my own characters.



A wallpaper I drew up yesterday and finished today. Since I can't draw decent backgrounds I used a stock photo.
I linked it as it wont fit inside the post.

Be sure to read Haru's route as it really is the 'definitive' G-senjou experience. As nice (or not nice depending who you ask) the side routes are they are obviously tacked on afterwords and don't resolve the story in the fantastic way as the former. I wouldn't even call it a route since to read it you just have to play G-senjou straight to the end. It really just is the actual ending to G-senjou.

But yeah G-senjou is really great. I have read it 4 times I think (though I only read the side routes the first time). And I'll probably return for more after reading some other VN's and rereading Sharin.

Here's what I've come up

Welcome
Announcements/Rules/ FAQ
Site Feedback
Introduce Yourself

Chatter Box
Anime/ Manga Discussion

Visual Novel Discussion
Fan Translation Discussion
Walk throughs --- sub board :Requests
Game Help /Troubleshooting

Dev Lounge
Development and Tools
Visual Novel Translation Projects

Volunteer Discussion
Volunteer and Recruitment
Visual Novel Translation Process Help and Development




Ooh , thanks Aeru! :3

Well VNs for me are never ending stories
Even after I finish, I still live with the characters in my mind
And I finally look up all the MADs, mashups etc on youtube and niconico xD
And since I have full soundtrack unlocked I download OST so I can listen to it outside of the game.

Well, what more to say, if the ending is good, it just inscribes into my heart and stays there forever.
I never skip ED song and I just enjoy it the last second, sometimes if the VN doesn't automatically transition into menu, I just stay there looking at the company logo or whatever the last screen is, thinking about how good it was
Often tiemes it transitions into menu and the menu is changed so I look at the new menu xD

Then I often replay good moments from memo saves I make throughout the game.

Don't know what more to say without mentioning specific VNs, but that would be for the specific VN topic including spoilers, not this one.

LOOOOOOLLLLLL I do feel speshul~ have a +rep for making me laugh

Yay! Freaking yay! Happy New Year, Ryoji! (and all!) (except Harry...)

Speaking only for me: I'm fine with Australia time, as my work keeps me up late. I'm in the US, so anything in the middle is even less than no problem.

InvertMouse's idea is, as always, a great solution as well.

There's something about Fuwanovel that makes me want to blog. Often, while browsing the forums or playing Clannad for the first time, I feel like chronicling the games I'm playing and my thoughts about the site and community. This post is something of a personal journal entry, and exists to share some of my thoughts about fuwanovel.





What is Fuwanovel (to me)?
Fuwanovel is a website which celebrates the medium, culture, quirkiness and depth of Visual Novels. The mission of Fuwanovel is to make Visual Novels accessible to everybody, and to ultimately foster their production and distribution. It's also an attempt to create a new community and gathering place for VN fans where enthusiasm and respect replaces the toxic and despotic cultures of some other VN communities.





Why did I choose Fuwanovel?
There are several VN communities whhich I respect and actively follow, but the majority of my VN time is dedicated to Fuwanovel. I chose Fuwanovel for four reasons:

The Fuwanovel forums and community were respectful, friendly, and helpful. People were actually nice to each other on the forums; Aaeru wasn't/isn't doing this for her own ego; Making VN games as accessible as possible is, in my view, the right path to making them popular; Fuwanovel was changing and becoming something new.




In what way has Fuwanovel changed?
For those who have belonged to the VN community for a long time, Fuwanovel was often associated with Aaeru's research on copyright reform (see her Sharing is Liberty blog). Today, those that speak ill of fuwanovel never fail to obsess over that fact. After spending dozens of hours on the forum, working behind the scenes on the site, and spending a lot of time talking with/coming to understand Aaeru a little better, I'm prepared to declare the sum of my experience: Fuwanovel is bigger than any one person now. Fuwanovel is bigger than Aaeru, it's bigger than a single game, and it's bigger than the sum of its forum posts. Fuwanovel is about Visual Novels and their distribution (see my first point). I joined Fuwanovel because I saw the start of this shift, and have now seen it through to near-completion. It's a great thing, and it's allowed a unique and positive community to grow.





My reaction to Fuwanovel's biggest criticism: Distributing Pre-patched Games, And My Ultimate Goal for VNs
(Aaeru has written her own perspective on this topic, and it's found on this FAQ page) If you look through the game torrents on this site, you'll see that several English patches specifically request that they not be bundled with the corresponding Japanese games, or be distributed as a complete unit. Fuwanovel has clearly chosen to disregard these requests. Our games come pre-patched and bundled into handy self-extracting RAR folders. While some will disagree with what follows, I think everybody can agree that pre-patched game distribution makes playing a VN *VERY* easy, and usually requires no installation or installation tutorials.

Aaeru believes that it is hypocritical for a translator to determine rights of use when they themselves essentially pirated and/or hacked the original games. I also agree with Aaeru in that translators, by distributing patches, put their work out into the vast reaches of the public internet, and no longer have control over its use.

Yet, the true reason I support Fuwanovel's distribution ideology has to do with my understanding of Fuwanovel's core: "The mission of Fuwanovel is to make Visual Novels accessible to everybody, and to ultimately foster their production and distribution." I want Visual Novels to catch on in the West. I want Western VNs to evolve into their own style. I want those future Western VNs to combine and hybridize with Japanese VNs and create new art and new dimensions for the medium. In short, I want this "Visual Novel Thing" to catch on. And because I want it to catch on, I want to make it as easy as possible for people to try out these games.

After all, when you compare the process of finding a Japanese torrent, downloading and following (often-poorly-written) English Patch installation instructions, and then troubleshooting errors based on your system with Fuwanovel's download, unzip, play method... there really isn't a question that Fuwanovel makes VNs easier to try out. And that, friends, is where all of this has to start.

There's an old saying along the lines of "sometimes you don't have to make the elephant dance well, you just have to make it dance."
In some ways Fuwanovel is about getting an elephant to fly... even if not very well

I've been debating whether or not to post about this here on Fuwanovel... but, as you can see, ultimately I decided I'd give it a try.

Has anybody else played/beaten Mass Effect 3? Anybody willing to talk about it?

I haven't been as invested and heartbroken and amazed and sad in a game (excepting VNs!) as I was in ME3. Not in years. I loved the ending, but tonight as I hopped on to play a bit, I felt the heartbreak all over again.

Behold! The Henyuu!





Henyuu: The death throes of some Tasmanian devil

Behold! The Henyuu!





Henyuu: The death throes of some Tasmanian devil

EDIT: I will use this top post as a placeholder for the latest versions of the inventory. You can always click the image below to get the latest and greatest inventory .pdf update.

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There's something about Fuwanovel that makes me want to blog. Often, while browsing the forums or playing Clannad for the first time, I feel like chronicling the games I'm playing and my thoughts about the site and community. This post is something of a personal journal entry, and exists to share some of my thoughts about fuwanovel.





What is Fuwanovel (to me)?
Fuwanovel is a website which celebrates the medium, culture, quirkiness and depth of Visual Novels. The mission of Fuwanovel is to make Visual Novels accessible to everybody, and to ultimately foster their production and distribution. It's also an attempt to create a new community and gathering place for VN fans where enthusiasm and respect replaces the toxic and despotic cultures of some other VN communities.





Why did I choose Fuwanovel?
There are several VN communities whhich I respect and actively follow, but the majority of my VN time is dedicated to Fuwanovel. I chose Fuwanovel for four reasons:

The Fuwanovel forums and community were respectful, friendly, and helpful. People were actually nice to each other on the forums; Aaeru wasn't/isn't doing this for her own ego; Making VN games as accessible as possible is, in my view, the right path to making them popular; Fuwanovel was changing and becoming something new.




In what way has Fuwanovel changed?
For those who have belonged to the VN community for a long time, Fuwanovel was often associated with Aaeru's research on copyright reform (see her Sharing is Liberty blog). Today, those that speak ill of fuwanovel never fail to obsess over that fact. After spending dozens of hours on the forum, working behind the scenes on the site, and spending a lot of time talking with/coming to understand Aaeru a little better, I'm prepared to declare the sum of my experience: Fuwanovel is bigger than any one person now. Fuwanovel is bigger than Aaeru, it's bigger than a single game, and it's bigger than the sum of its forum posts. Fuwanovel is about Visual Novels and their distribution (see my first point). I joined Fuwanovel because I saw the start of this shift, and have now seen it through to near-completion. It's a great thing, and it's allowed a unique and positive community to grow.





My reaction to Fuwanovel's biggest criticism: Distributing Pre-patched Games, And My Ultimate Goal for VNs
(Aaeru has written her own perspective on this topic, and it's found on this FAQ page) If you look through the game torrents on this site, you'll see that several English patches specifically request that they not be bundled with the corresponding Japanese games, or be distributed as a complete unit. Fuwanovel has clearly chosen to disregard these requests. Our games come pre-patched and bundled into handy self-extracting RAR folders. While some will disagree with what follows, I think everybody can agree that pre-patched game distribution makes playing a VN *VERY* easy, and usually requires no installation or installation tutorials.

Aaeru believes that it is hypocritical for a translator to determine rights of use when they themselves essentially pirated and/or hacked the original games. I also agree with Aaeru in that translators, by distributing patches, put their work out into the vast reaches of the public internet, and no longer have control over its use.

Yet, the true reason I support Fuwanovel's distribution ideology has to do with my understanding of Fuwanovel's core: "The mission of Fuwanovel is to make Visual Novels accessible to everybody, and to ultimately foster their production and distribution." I want Visual Novels to catch on in the West. I want Western VNs to evolve into their own style. I want those future Western VNs to combine and hybridize with Japanese VNs and create new art and new dimensions for the medium. In short, I want this "Visual Novel Thing" to catch on. And because I want it to catch on, I want to make it as easy as possible for people to try out these games.

After all, when you compare the process of finding a Japanese torrent, downloading and following (often-poorly-written) English Patch installation instructions, and then troubleshooting errors based on your system with Fuwanovel's download, unzip, play method... there really isn't a question that Fuwanovel makes VNs easier to try out. And that, friends, is where all of this has to start.

harry_kinomoto's very brief idiot's guide to creating a balls-to-the-walls awesome VN that will go down in HISTORY as a classic that changed the world


Guiding principles:

A desire to create something beautiful.
A desire to create something wonderful.
A desire to create something perfect.
A complete and utter disregard for everything else.



Suggested ways to go about doing this:

Creativity: as long as undertaken in the pursuit of the abovementioned.
A team of people who will talk to each other about the abovementioned.
A team of people who will listen to each others' ideas about the abovementioned.
A team of people who will work on each others' ideas about the abovementioned.
In other words: lots and lots and lots of love, tolerance and [pink]encouragement[/pink]. Pink colours optional.



Possible results of implementing the abovementioned (adapted somewhat from here):

A protagonist that isn't a blank slate.
A storyline that doesn't JUST focus on fappability.
More animated scenes.
More than one "true end".
Writing that doesn't rely so much on cultural references as it does fundamental human values everyone will recognise....
...but paradoxically, something that most people will not understand or "get", and thus...
A team who will be trolled to their graves for creating an absolute abomination; only to be recognised for their wisdom 50 years after their death.




tl;dr: a VN that is in the true sense of the word "ideal", does not exist at present,.

Hey! Welcome!

So... I'm still deciding whether or not we can be friends. See, Katawa Shoujo is, like, the be-all and end-all VN for me (it was my first VN). Lilly was my first route, and it simultaneously broke and mended my heart while blowing my socks off and leaving me breathless. Leaving such a... perfect gem... for last is either a great, great evil, or it's "Save the Best for Last." I hope it's the latter, for your sake, commander .

I joke, but seriously, welcome! Was Hanako your 1st or 2nd route?


PS: I've seen a LOT of avatars over the years, yet there's something about yours that gives me the jitters. lol

A Note Before Reading: I realize this isn't a topic to take lightly, but I'm interested in hearing other people's viewpoints on the subject. Historically they're a major part of the medium, and so I feel they're worthy of some discussion.
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I'm not a fan of H-Scenes. I love VNs too much to give them up, but when *those* scenes come up I generally click through at high speeds, looking away kind of awkwardly. (Now, I realize that there are two types of H-Scenes: ones intended to be "tasteful", and others in games which are blatantly sex-oriented. All of my comments are directed to the former, as the latter are... well... they are what they are.)

Is it because I'm "afraid" of sex or sensuality? No way. I'm happily married and therefore have a healthy context to this stuff. Rather, I feel like H-scenes cheapen the VN experience. I understand that these scenes can represent a culmination of romance between two characters, but I don't understand why they have to be so graphic.

I feel like these scenes are included in VNs for the same reason they're included in most AAA movies: the obligate sex-appeal to be used for advertising.



That's the short version of my opinion, more or less. I'm interested in hearing what others think. Again, I realize this isn't the easiest topic to discuss, but I'm interested in sounding out.

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: Katawa Shoujo Supa Numba 1 Ramen VN! Lilly forever, baby!

I would like to have Belle back now. kthx

lol No special reason.

I don't really agree when people tell me to be more egotistic, have one thing and then just run with it and defend it no-matter-the-costs. That's the MAN's way of doing it! (apparently).
I don't want to do that at all, it feels so out-of-character for me.

All I know is that if people have better ideas they should destroy mine. Slaughter mine. In the end it's the ideas that win. Whoever has the best idea we use those ideas. Not the ego. and not personal pride.

This is the anti-thesis of the current community: It's humility.

Im honestly not interested in using a bad idea if a better idea exists out there. That will be really screwed up. I don't have a monopoly on truth. I want people to teach me things. I want people to lead me. Most people in the previous community are incapable of that. That's why I think they are so disgusting, as men.

A Note Before Reading: I realize this isn't a topic to take lightly, but I'm interested in hearing other people's viewpoints on the subject. Historically they're a major part of the medium, and so I feel they're worthy of some discussion.
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I'm not a fan of H-Scenes. I love VNs too much to give them up, but when *those* scenes come up I generally click through at high speeds, looking away kind of awkwardly. (Now, I realize that there are two types of H-Scenes: ones intended to be "tasteful", and others in games which are blatantly sex-oriented. All of my comments are directed to the former, as the latter are... well... they are what they are.)

Is it because I'm "afraid" of sex or sensuality? No way. I'm happily married and therefore have a healthy context to this stuff. Rather, I feel like H-scenes cheapen the VN experience. I understand that these scenes can represent a culmination of romance between two characters, but I don't understand why they have to be so graphic.

I feel like these scenes are included in VNs for the same reason they're included in most AAA movies: the obligate sex-appeal to be used for advertising.



That's the short version of my opinion, more or less. I'm interested in hearing what others think. Again, I realize this isn't the easiest topic to discuss, but I'm interested in sounding out.