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    bigfatround0 reacted to Mr Poltroon in Sharin no Kuni Prefundia page is up   
    The issue being that said people who fund their stuff, like you, I presume, are getting pissed off on the basis of nothing. Yet.
    You argue against segmentation because the west went the bad way with it... I'd love to counter-argue, but I really can't. It is a possibility.
     
    What I can do, however, is point out that given the possible intent, and given the lack of evidence, there's absolutely no reason to call Frontwing and AkabeiSoft the scum of the Earth and lords of all that is evil, as some people have been doing. Yet.
    There is some reason, if you really hold it against this type of DLC, not to fund the kickstarter, but none to badmouth them.
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    bigfatround0 reacted to sanahtlig in Sharin no Kuni Prefundia page is up   
    I simply realize that one can't understand an industry without understanding the perspectives of both consumers and producers.  I actually put forth the effort to listen to both sides and try to see the world as they do.  Many VN fans only care about their own perspective as consumers.  That's fine, but you're not qualified to comment in any sort of objective manner if you can't see perspectives other than your own--and if I made a habit of doing that no one would ever take me seriously.
    You imply that I'm arrogant to search for valid justifications for a company's actions rather than simply assume they're greedy, incompetent, or both when companies do something that triggers us as consumers.  If I'm arrogant, I suppose that means anyone in this discussion who thinks they know how to run a business better than Frontwing--who I daresay have more experience at this--must be arrogant as well.
    With that out of the way, Rooke already nicely pointed out how the substance of your argument (the part that isn't just a personal attack on me) is utterly ridiculous.
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    bigfatround0 reacted to Darklord Rooke in Sharin no Kuni Prefundia page is up   
    They’re not removing the visual part of the novel, nor are they removing anything integral to the game - the experience of playing through the story doesn’t change once the CG gallery is removed.
    Sorry, but at best it's a desired extra.
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    bigfatround0 reacted to Darklord Rooke in Sharin no Kuni Prefundia page is up   
    Okay:
    A) The whole thing is being offered
    B) There is no indication it's being offered at an inflated price when compared with Western market norms, and therefore I have a problem with your use of the term 'exclusive'. I have a problem, also, with that figure you just pulled out of your arse, the one you're using as a catalyst to get angry over.
    C) There is a version being offered at a 'reduced price' in comparison to the deluxe version. There is no evidence you are paying 'extra' to see the CG, rather all that can be said for certain is it will be 'cheaper' if you don't want to view the CG. Once again, whether you have to pay 'extra' for the 'deluxe version' cannot be ascertained until prices are released. 
    D) While you do have to pay extra compared with the featureless version, at the moment it can be viewed as a boon for the people who don't want features, rather than a slap to those who want it. Probably because the company wants to lure in a different type of consumer, but doesn't want to offer the full VN at such a reduced price (guess alert!) It could also be viewed as price inflation, but nothing's been confirmed or denied. If it's offered at a reduced price for 'no frills' customers, it's because they're trying to offer an incentive for a different consumer base to leap into the game, but once again offering a special to a part of a market they're trying to lure in is in no way the SAME as offering the full version at a price that is a rip off to hardcore consumers. Can people understand this?
    E) I see a problem you MAY have in the future, depending on what the prices are, but nothing to justify the nonsense the community has spewed forth so far. 
    EDIT:Oh, and I do admit it could be better done. I understand their goal, but I do realise removing CG and sound mode is a clumsy way to do this. That being said, if the price of the deluxe version is reasonable, I don’t think it should matter to those who want the full version. You'd still be getting it at a reasonable price.
    Which means, wait for the prices before you go off your rocker peeps.
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    bigfatround0 reacted to Darklord Rooke in Sharin no Kuni Prefundia page is up   
    The only reason of stripping content (I can see) is to offer a cheaper version so as to target those who don't want to pay a premium price. What's the point of inflating the price of the full version so the regular (stripped) version is offered at the market norm? It's now not targeting the customers who are price sensitive (to use Sanah's words) and the deluxe (normal package) now costs the same as a AAA game, which means they've priced themselves out of the market. Now they COULD do this, but they'd be stupid to. The point is, it's not the only option though. IMO, it makes much more sense to lower the price of the stripped version to about 20 bucks.
    But people have been making baseless assumptions and drawing wild conclusions the entire time.
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    bigfatround0 reacted to Darklord Rooke in Sharin no Kuni Prefundia page is up   
    If routes lead to alternate endings to a VN, instead of the outdated and flawed design practice of needing to complete every route to get the true ending, then there would be no reason why you couldn’t offer separate storylines at a reduced rate and a complete package which offers all the storylines. Why? Because some people may not want to follow certain options/routes, and therefore a package which omits them may be of benefit to them.
    While it’s fun to be mad at stuff which doesn’t matter, the idea that you can get the full version (a version which nobody has established is being offered at an increased price,) means that this point in time (with no information on pricing,) you’re mad that there’s a reduced features option with separate features being available separately so the consumer has the option of purchasing them at a later date - and that makes no sense. Why ARE you so mad that there is a version offered at a reduced rate sans features that aren't necessary to the VN? And spare me the useless, teenage philosophising, or disingenuous assumption making most people have been engaging in.
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    bigfatround0 reacted to Dark_blade64 in Sharin no Kuni Prefundia page is up   
    Why is it necessary to pay full price if you can experience the whole story by just cutting out features you weren't interest to begin with? I mean there is nothing wrong by using this method such as this because there are just there as an optional way to cut the price. Now if they force you to pay extra money for the features that would be annoying, otherwise I don't see the problem.
     
    They never said they were releasing routes separately so I don't see the point in trying to use it as an excuse for making a sarcastic comment.
     
    Anyway it seems if there is enough demand for it they might release the 18+ version? If anyone is interested I guess they should tell frontwing directly?
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    bigfatround0 reacted to Deep Blue in Sharin no Kuni Prefundia page is up   
    yep littleshogun is right
     
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    bigfatround0 reacted to littleshogun in Sharin no Kuni Prefundia page is up   
    My comment, well why they should ripped Extra Mode while this should be normal featured for all of the VN out there. In this case since Sharin was already translated long time ago, I think it's once again already obsolete and therefore no need for this version imo (But to some newcomer and the people who not satisfied with old translation this version should be good). Oh, since Rooke here suggesting to made the new scene integral to the story, I kind of wonder if this is actually the real reason they omitted the voice here (Although it's still unnecessary move though). I said this because I remember that Eiyuu Senki also did that with the new scene was had no voice (But all of the other scene other than new one still voiced). Well, let's see it later.
    To answer bigfatround0 question, I think the scene in question would be at the beginning of chapter 2, and it's not with Eri but with Ririko (I think it's just Deep Blue did the typo there). About my rationality, to be honest I couldn't call myself the calmest and the most rational person in the world, but seeing as we already had this game translated long ago with the benefit they'll cut I think there's no need the reason to be freak out here.
    Finally as for Frontwing becoming localization company, guess it will be interesting to see how it will goes for sure (And hopefully with they announce Island for Steam or something like that, since Island was all age I think there's should no need for controversy in regard of H-Scene removal just like this one and especially Konosora). I think that's all I could write here.
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    bigfatround0 reacted to Darklord Rooke in Sharin no Kuni Prefundia page is up   
    I just checked their Prefundia page:
    We hope to release this game in September 2016, on Steam. As the original game contains scenes with adult content, these will be replaced by less explicit scenes to ensure there are no holes in the narrative. 
    There we go. That should reassure some ... should, anyway  
    There's others, but in general the VN community leans toward hysteria. It's like their default state, or something. I find if you don't offer a reasoned counter early, it just gets more and more hyperbolic and out of control. That's not to dis anybody who takes part in that, it's just what tends to happen in groups.
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    bigfatround0 reacted to Deep Blue in Sharin no Kuni Prefundia page is up   
    I guess they can always narrate the scene itself without showing anything I really want to see how they handle this since they cannot avoid it because is a crucial part of the plot and kenichi's character development 
     
    @bigfoot it did and like I said it's a really important scene too, read it again if you don't remember it  .
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    bigfatround0 reacted to Darklord Rooke in Sharin no Kuni Prefundia page is up   
    A pause feature is essential for slow readers. A CG gallery is just for those who want to look at the pictures outside of the game. One's essential and possibly needed for comprehension, the other's just an added feature (which I personally never make use of, TBH. If you want to gawk at just the pictures, you can always download them and then you can look at them without loading the game.) As Sanah said, it's a feature only hardcore VN readers would care about, and therefore something they view they can cut out of a 'no-frills' version they can then target at a more casual audience.
    If they sell it a higher price than market norms, I can assume people will be upset. But once again, I support the idea of 'more options for the consumer' ... in theory. Want to see what the prices are like first.
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    bigfatround0 reacted to Darklord Rooke in Sharin no Kuni Prefundia page is up   
    CG galleries aren't a key part of a VN. They're an extra, the key part is the story.
    I'm just going to cut and paste from the other No Kuni thread, because I don't want to type things up a second time:
     
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    bigfatround0 reacted to littleshogun in New here   
    For the cliche word here "Welcome to the Fuwanovel and hope you enjoy your stay here", although I'd definitely happy we got another new member here though.
    If you talked about Love Live, I think there were some user here who was fans of it, and I at least knew that @Jade and @bigfatround0 was fan of them (Although for bigfatround0 he was more Honoka fan though, judging from his avatar). As for me, I'm not too much of a fan, but at least I knew that Love Live was very popular in internet and also in Japan.
    Since you talk about Sono Hanabira, for yuri VN how about Katahane, Aoishiro, and Yurirei for your next VN. Katahane and Aoishiro was more like more subtle in regard of yuri (And Katahane was had one straight couple, but if you want more nitpicking the seiyuu for male in straight couple was female), while Yurirei was not so subtle in regard of yuri. And if you had any problem to playing VN, just come here and ask the help from us.
    Once again welcome to moonstarfc and hope you had fun here. Also for a little suggestion you better look forward for moe picture in your thread.
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    bigfatround0 reacted to Naoe in Translation Help Please!   
    Oh hey thanks for helping out!
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    bigfatround0 reacted to Scorp in What language should I learn (NOT japanese or chinese!)?   
    @bigfatround0 okay, but again, is there anything really interesting apart speaking with spanish people? Like VN/manga/anime is main benefit for lot of people to learn japanese. I have no plans to live in US. And seems only spanish-speaking country I would probably visit is Chile, which could probably not happen at all.
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    bigfatround0 reacted to Scorp in What language should I learn (NOT japanese or chinese!)?   
    But I already know english and I do not want either japanese or chinese, why suggest them?
    And give some reasons for me, man. I do not want just "learn XXX language", as I want to understand benefits of doing that.
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    bigfatround0 got a reaction from LoganW in Rap music   
    I haven't really kept up to date with music but 50 is my favorite rapper. Chamillionaire is right behind him and following him is Flo Rida.
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    bigfatround0 reacted to DarkZedge in High School of Death Question   
    I'm also on the side of those who liked it even if it got a bit over the top at times...It's a fun anime and there's been rumors of the writer of the manga getting back to it, so we may get more from it if we're lucky
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    bigfatround0 got a reaction from DarkZedge in High School of Death Question   
    I thought it was pretty good. Some parts were ridiculous but it was fun overall.
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    bigfatround0 got a reaction from kingdomcome in Poll: Assessing interest in text-hooking resources to play Japanese visual novels   
    I never noticed how toxic /r/vns can be. Holy shit.
     
    I'm probably no better though.
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    bigfatround0 reacted to Arcadeotic in Poll: Assessing interest in text-hooking resources to play Japanese visual novels   
    r/vns can be really butthurt about Machine Translations, but yoy get used to it as time goes by.
    Good poll, and I kind of expected there to be a thread on reddit full of clashing opinions about the poll
    The results were interesting
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    bigfatround0 reacted to sanahtlig in Poll: Assessing interest in text-hooking resources to play Japanese visual novels   
    What really aggravates me is that I convinced someone--a person much more adept with text hooking than me who's been a mentor to me in the past --to seriously consider implementing one or more of the ideas in the initial question of the poll.  You know what was holding him back and his initial response to the idea?  "But I'll be labeled [incorrectly] and ridiculed as someone who machine translates [by all the community elitists]."  I thought the notion was ridiculous.  Then what happens next?  I make a poll to explore user interest in the sorts of text hooking services he could provide and his unfounded fears were confirmed!  He could very well backpedal after seeing this reaction and decide that such a toxic community isn't worth the effort.
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