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1 hour ago, ReliusC said:
Sadly I can't read japanese. Do you have any recommendation of vn that are similare or at least have the same genre as this one ?
Euphoria is made by the same company, and is available in English from Mangagamer. It has some similar themes to Natsu no Kusari, and is a very good read overall. I would recommend checking it out.
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22 hours ago, Mr Poltroon said:
Or they're scared.
If they're anything like myself or my ilk, they'd do their damndest to not directly or indirectly violate rules.
Luckily they have nothing to be scared about, as it doesn't get you in trouble. Tons of eroge have been funded on KS. Heck, one of the biggest campaigns ever was Subverse, which is just blatantly stating "this is poooorn!" in the trailer itself, which is the first thing you see on the campaign. Hopefully people pointing this out to them will clear things up so we can get the full game. I doubt the campaign is going to make it at this rate. Adding all the content would at least get them some more pledges. At this point it's not even clear what exactly you're getting, as a big part of this game is wooing the girl into bed. Without that content, it's hard to say how much is left.
Heck, just look at the images they have up on the KS atm. Those are supplied by the circle, and you can clearly see one image in there which is actually meant to be a part of an H-scene. It's Konko saying she can't wait any longer, which is a part of an H-scene. Though here it's just captioned "flirting in your room", lol.Update: They have confirmed on Kickstarter that the localized version WILL have the 18+ content and that they were indeed just playing it safe not mentioning this since they weren't sure how Kickstarter would react to mentions of R18 content.
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Natsu no Kusari is sadly not translated, so there is no English version. You can buy the Japanese version here, though there is no English language support whatsoever. You could try using a machine translator if you really want to read it, but machine TLs are rarely very accurate, so keep that in mind.
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10 hours ago, XChaosX said:
It is worth noting that Kickstarter doesn't allow adult content, so they are likely trying to skirt the rules by being coy about it.
There are many ways to get around this. Nearly all eroge kickstarters do. Some won’t even try to hide it and still manage without getting in trouble. So they are either that unfamiliar with the western market, or this was a choice made by the circle to lessen costs or something.
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13 minutes ago, Kiriririri said:
Never thought I would see Dergonu support censorship.
Never said they should stop production. I think this is in bad taste and wouldn’t want to back it myself for that reason. They are free to make whatever they want, though, even if it does make people go "but why though?" That’s the beauty of free speech, I guess.
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Uh, this one might be going a little far. They make a lot of these parody games, but this is one is too much imo.
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Just now, XChaosX said:
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Where does it say that it was censored and the 18+ content was removed?Look at the comments, the very bottom one. They confirm that this particular version is all-ages, and that no 18+ patch is planned at this time.
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EDIT: It has been confirmed on Kickstarter that this will have all the 18+ content.
Kickstarting a censored version of an 18+ doujin game from a small doujin circle making 18+ Japanese ASMR. Interesting... might be a bit too much of a niche within a niche. + With the 18+ content removed, I’m not sure how much game is left. The porn is like, the main thing the game advertises on DLsite. Heck, these characters come from audio porn, like I said. -
Or right, this thread exists. Let's help it stay alive ( ﾟДﾟ)/
Been playing Tetsu to Ra recently. I really like it. It has this really oldschool feel to it, despite being fairly new. It's like they designed the whole UI and what not with the intent of making it look like games from the early 2000's.
Story wise I find it very enjoyable. I was expecting a nukige ish game, but it actually uses a lot of time setting up the protagonist and his motives, as well as the world and the other characters around him. Heck, so far I have been reading for hours, and have only seen a few H-scenes.
I went into the game with somewhat low expectations based on a review I read, but quickly found that I strongly disagree with that review. The game is great so far, and it only keeps getting better in my opinion. Looking forward to reading more. Just need to finish up moving so I have more time to read, bleh. Will try to write my own review of it once I finish. -
2 minutes ago, Kiriririri said:
See anything by KID or Sci ADV games.
But this is kind of my point, there are two examples that breaks the norm, not ones that sets it. Heck, KID has released mostly all-ages only games, with only some of them being 18+ to begin with. We're talking about console versions of eroge. On the other hand, here are some major examples of companies that DO it the way I said:
Inre, Saga Planets, Harukaze, Lose (seems to be changing this from now on, though previous games have done this), Frontwing, Pulltop, Skyfish. I could go on, but you get my point.
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Just now, Kiriririri said:
Fuck off with the lies.
As far as I know, this is true. Among the console versions I know of, every single one has been released a long time after the original. Of course, I'm sure there are some that were released at the same time, or close to, the original. But, these are the expections that confirms the rule.
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2 minutes ago, adamstan said:
Are there really many people that buy both versions? I find it a bit hard to believe
Yeah! It's fairly common. There are some who literally do not have PCs who settle for the console versions, though this is rare.
It's common for people in Japan to buy the console version as a second copy. This is also one of the reasons why these versions are usually sold quite some time after the initial 18+ release. If the market was screaming for all-ages versions only, these would probably be more common on day of release. But as far as I know, there are basically no console versions that came out close to the 18+ version on PC. It's just generally considered a secondary platform for many eroge fans in Japan. In fact, only the popular eroge that sells a lot of copies usually gets them. So, the 18+ version selling well is basically what determines if an all-ages version comes out or not.Japan's market is pretty different from the western one.
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1 minute ago, adamstan said:
Those two lines are somehow contradictive. Because if the JP console version sold well, then that means that it has its place, and you cannot say "Noratoto wouldn't sell without H-scenes". The platform doesn't matter.
One thing to note about this is that in Japan, console versions are always made AFTER the PC release, and often serves as a secondary platform to play the games on, after people have already read the 18+ version on PC. With the all-ages version being the only version available in the west, western consumers don't have that choice. So, the "place" the console version has in Japan is somewhat different compared to the western one.
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54 minutes ago, Kiriririri said:
Only problem with Amagami is that the routes the game has are like 15 mins long really.
I don't know what you're talking about, I spent hours and hours playing minigam— ooooh...
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I loved the "route based" approach Amagami had. They actually did it well, too. I compared the game's routes to the anime, (the ones I have played so far anyways,) and they really did summarize the girls' stories well despite of the 4 episdoe limit per heroine. I'd like to see more anime take that kind of approach to VN adaptions, as most VNs do have routes, and mixing one ending from all routes generally does not work well, seeing as routes usually have romantic segments. Not everything can work as one big harem story.
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Tl;dr support the industry and buy games! In a niche market like this, individual sales can literally make a difference.
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25 minutes ago, Speeny said:
I think I only bought one game through MangaGamer. Their website seemed pretty dodgy to me. But I know they have a decent reputation?
It's completely safe, nothing dodgy about them at all. They are one of the biggest localizers in the business. They sell a wide range of different games, with all sorts of adult content. This is likely one of the factors that keeps getting them in trouble with their payment processors. They also had an incident with a bunch of people cancelling their orders on the site in the past for the steam codes that used to come with the games. But, this wasn't MGs fault, they just wanted to give something extra with the purchase of their games. Scammers sadly saw this as a golden opportunity.
Mangagamer is a totally legit and safe site, so you don't have to worry about it "looking dodgy." I suppose that's just an issue with the design of the website.- Kenshin_sama, Silvz and Freestyle80
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It’s still possible to buy from them. Send their support an email and they will help you with buying points through paypal, which you can use on games. They also recommend stocking up on some if you think you will buy more games soon, so that you don’t flood them with emails.
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See, this is why I keep my translation files saved in three different places when working, lol. (Updated daily.) Call me paranoid, but losing tons of work is never fun.
RIP non-pixilated penis power.
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5 hours ago, Wildbreed said:
They do mention about the Patch everywhere tho..
They mention it on their Twitter handle,.. On the reddit release post as well as on vndb and various other forums as well as on discord...and most new players will visit the store mostly when they come across its mentions on the above social media sites where all the information about the Patch is provided..
That is true! Unlike Sekai Project they actually talk about the patches openly on their social media.
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3 hours ago, Fred the Barber said:
I don't really get what you're trying to argue here. If it's "every eroge localizer needs to have their own store", it would seem to be a silly thing to argue, given there are numerous other examples you can go after (at least one of which you yourself work for!).
Sol Press making a store is independent of Panty Press making a store, for reasons which I think I laid out pretty clearly. Each of those actions comes with a separate cost-benefit analysis; the costs are separate (and quite substantial in both cases), and the benefits are separate (and much larger on one of those than on the other). What fact or consideration are you taking issue with here?
There are lots of eroge loc companies performing this same cost-benefit analysis and ending up on one side of it (Denpasoft, Mangagamer, JAST USA), and lots of eroge loc companies performing the same analysis and ending up on the other side (Kagura Games, Cherry Kiss Games, Panty Press). I don't understand why it's something to get worked up about.
I don't really know myself either, to be honest. I totally agree with what you're saying, it makes perfect sense. I just honestly get way too worked up about these kinds of things sometimes, and end up forgetting what point I'm even trying to make, lol. I should save that energy for the Moenovels and SakuraGames of the world, heh.
There are some issues with the store, but it just launched so I am sure these are issues they will address in the future. (Like being unable to sell one of their own games. I am interested in seeing how they go about handling this one.)I do think they should still offer a link to their patches on the store, or if this gets them in trouble with their payment processor, at least mention that the games have been altered and that there is a patch available to restore the content. New customers finding this store, perhaps through the manga and light novels, won't know what "this is the all-ages version" means. The idea of patches being needed to play the full game is probably alien to them. They will probably get more "mainstream" customers specifically because Sol Press is a more "mainstream" company. I suppose this is the only real gripe I have with the site. The other companies you mentioned do this. KaguraGames offer the patches on their own website, which is linked on their Steam profile, and while CherryKiss does not have a store, we sell our games totally uncut on Steam. The theme here being that the patch / uncut versions of games are easily available and not hidden away on a secondary site that you need to know about to find. That I guess is the only real thing I would like to see them fix.
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36 minutes ago, Fred the Barber said:
The key difference you're missing is that Sol Press is an all=ages company which sells more than just all ages visual novels. They also sell other products (especially LNs and manga) from license holders which will not accept being associated with adult content (unlike most VN license holders, since even those releasing all ages content are typically comfortable with 18+ associations, by the nature of the VN industry).
There could conceivably be both an all ages site for Sol Press and an 18+ site for the separate company which deals with 18+ releases of the associated adult content of some of the VNs for which Sol Press releases all-ages versions. However, said site does not currently exist. Maybe it will in the future; I do not know any more than you. The all-ages shop is a sound business decision, because they will benefit from selling their LNs and manga, and yes their all-ages VNs, themselves. Whether it makes sense for that separate company to make an 18+ site to sell their wares, and to then go through all the associated likely payment processor woes mentioned here, is a separate concern.
I'll also add that, from my understanding, payment processors handling adult content typically charge a great deal more overhead due to the higher-risk nature of the product, especially when dealing with small companies.
Long story short, it's a lot more complicated than you're claiming.
Yes, very true.
I guess I have an issue with the fact that they are trying to remain an "all-ages" company, yet they localize tons of eroge, including games as fetishy as Nukitashi. (A game they cannot possibly make an all-ages version of, and therefore CANNOT sell on their own store!) Of course, I guess they could just sell it on sites like JAST and cut their losses for that particular title, but you have to admit, this is kind of weird. Why localize this if they know they can't even sell it.
I just find it so puzzling that a company that wants to stay so mainstream and "all-age" friendly is so dead set on doing eroge in the first place. It really would make more sense for them to use the "Panty Press" brand like a separate company, like Sekai did with Denpasoft. No matter how hard they try, they won't be able to avoid the fact that they ARE selling eroge, lots of them. I just don't see this all-age only site as a good idea, considering the amount of eroge they localize. -
24 minutes ago, Nandemonai said:
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No. I specifically avoided mentioning MG because their issue IS unique. All the other big loc companies have an 18+ site, and run it just fine. It's an objective fact that what Sol Press is doing goes away from this norm. That's it, my point is made. We are having different arguments at this point.
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They have a lot of games they are working on, and can only translate so many at a time. They are currently working on another Clock Up game, Maggot Baits. If that does well, maybe they will do more. Sadly, they don't have the capacity to translate all the works from every developer they make deals with, so some games will be left untranslated. Hopefully Natsu no Kusari does get translated at some point, but for now, there are no public statements about it, so it's not coming any time soon.