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I know, you can use VNDB for that but what I am actually asking, are there games where characters not just say "it's eroge or something" but acknowledge the existence of readers, speak to them like they do to each other. It's ok if it's japanese, I'm use to VNR. And it would be great if it's nukige. Yeah, I can't believe myself how rotten I've become...
Thank you in advance!

It's clear, that Frontwing losses the AX. The most anticipated titles are being pushed to 2018 and Subahibi suffers from deleted content. It's funny, that, apparently, from the lawyer's point of view lolis are fine and bestiality is not. Regardless, I'm more worried about Subahibi TL quality. I heard it has quite unordinary "crazy" style of writing.

Oh, no, my dear Majikoi! Why, why JAST? I will never have my sweet time with maids... Better start learning moonrunes, because now I definitely have all the time in the world.
Also, FLOWERS -The volume of summer- (Winter 2017), JAST, come on!
As for the long-awaited 18+ Maitetsu, I still have a doubt that we'll get the full version without the most controversial content being cut. It's so loli and with Steam coverage, so it could potentially raise some SJW hysteria. But if Sekai would have chosen to make the unofficial patch (like JAST with part of SD), I would forgive them all the sins. Their upcoming lineup is so huge right now, that I'm scared of how many Kickstarters it would take to release everything. 
Still, it's funny that the only thing I'm really interested in is Damekoi. I like "adult protagonist" tag.
Anyway, great AX so far.

I just came back from the dead to say some words about the AX announcement.
Mangagamer: plain and expected with Evenicle being hyped for almost a year and Moonstone's title that nobody cares, but Damekoi is interesting.
Sekai: Yuzusoft gamble, and expect delays, kickstaters, broken promises and weird TL choices, especially with 18+ version, the usual SP crap. Nanairo is good though, great choice.
PS: To all Dracuriot team - not nice, guys. Glad, I'm stupid ESL that had played with unedited patch months ago.
Oh, yeah, since ChuableSoft is dead, I wonder, how MG will deal with SukiSuki or possible another "secret" title from this company.
In conclusion, SP wins this round. You can't beat Nekopara money

Dawn of the new World was my first Tale's game and I liked it. Much more than f.e. Tale of Zestiria. And as I'm aware we don't discuss plot material here. Only a questionable part of it called romance sublot.
It's just aside those really well-done emotional videos I can't feel that Tidus/Yuna relationship is real for me. They are together almost the whole game but rarely speak to each other or show noticeable affection. Then by author's will happens such powerfull bonding moments like
or
and I wonder, how the hell they got here without me noticing. And then it ends on
and I'm just completely baffled. Not enough foreshadowing and bad directing is what FFX love story for me. A big letdown after heartwarming romance subplot in FFIX.
To write a good love story, one need to follow three basic rules.
- You need to show how the characters fall in love, when and why.
- It is necessary to demonstrate how they change their attitude towards each other throughout the story, and how they change themselves.
- And it must be certain in the end that they're lovers even if they don't end up together.
They don't have to confess their love to the world, they don't need to speak the oaths at the altar, but their feelings should be unambiguous for the audience. The great example is Trip and Monkey from Enslaved: Odyssey to the West. But it's not jrpg or J-game.
 

I love romance in games. Let's the topic live a bit. Another bunch is coming from me:
SNES: Terranigma, Illusions of Gaia, Luminous Arc, Lufia 2
NDS: World ends with You, Soma Bringer, Radiant Historia,Nostalgia
PC: Embric of Wulfhammer’s Castle, Alpha Kimori
PSP:  Mimana Iyar Chronicle, Hexyz Force
PS2: Mana Khemia, Magna Carta: Crimson Stigmata, Xenosaga, La Pucelle Tactics, Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King, Dragoneer’s Aria
PS1: Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure, Azure Dreams
Please note, I can't vouch that all of them have a decent romantic storyline. But it's there even if just implied. I could get a longer list if you would accept western or action games.
Another thing about FF frunchise. While early games V-IX have more or less good romance subplots, avoid FFX at all cost if you're only looking for the love story jrpg. I don't know why people claim it's the most beautifull romance in videogames. Take those CG movies away and all is left is awkward Yuna laughing scene and Tidus stupidity. Fran and Balthier from FF12 have better chemistry than those two wooden dolls. But it's still great game gameplay-wise.
Personally I love Persona's games, especially 3-4, but I don't like its romantic component, because dating with girls in game has no relation to the main plot at all. This is more of a simulator to improve your character.
Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World.
Also, for a good romantic story it's not necessarily for characters be together in the final. 

At least, now that the Sekai's financial future is secured, we have a good chance to actually see a release of Baldr Sky.

At least, now that the Sekai's financial future is secured, we have a good chance to actually see a release of Baldr Sky.

Seinarukana or its prequel. Just lighthearted yuri rape
https://vndb.org/v26
https://vndb.org/v74

https://forums.fuwanovel.net/topic/16363-11eyes-tsumi-to-batsu-to-aganai-no-shoujo/
 

How about that:
Wii: Arx Rise Fantasia, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, The Last Story, Xenoblades, Pandora's Tower, Fragile Dreams
PC: Akiba's Strip, Valkiria Cronicles, Conseption 2
3DS: Fire Emblem: Awakening
NDS: Sands of Destrution
PS1-2: Star Ocean series, Rogue Galaxy, Odin Sphere, Grandia series, Thousand Arms, Legend of Dragoons, Atelier Iris
Do you need more?
I'm a big romance fun myself and I've played tons of games with romance sublot. Not just "jrpg".
Tales of Zestaria doesn't involve any decent romance, only bromance. And for now Trails in the Sky is the second best romance story in videogames. The first one is Xenogears.

How about that:
Wii: Arx Rise Fantasia, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, The Last Story, Xenoblades, Pandora's Tower, Fragile Dreams
PC: Akiba's Strip, Valkiria Cronicles, Conseption 2
3DS: Fire Emblem: Awakening
NDS: Sands of Destrution
PS1-2: Star Ocean series, Rogue Galaxy, Odin Sphere, Grandia series, Thousand Arms, Legend of Dragoons, Atelier Iris
Do you need more?
I'm a big romance fun myself and I've played tons of games with romance sublot. Not just "jrpg".
Tales of Zestaria doesn't involve any decent romance, only bromance. And for now Trails in the Sky is the second best romance story in videogames. The first one is Xenogears.

In Da Capo 2 in some point MC and his harem takes a trip to a ski resort. Not Cristmass but definitley winter themed backgrounds. 

Man, that title really looks like a nukige. I guess this time the prime target are 16 year old horny french boys instead. 
Yes, but those had - what was the word again - ah yeah, a 'story'. 

That post title is so desperate sounding it makes it abit cringy
Anyway, to clear up some misunderstandings, recommendations and general discussion is fine. Nsfw pictures or discussing matters that clearly sexualize lolis IS taboo on Fuwa though.
But think about it, we have a ton of projects here - both past and present - that have loli elements involved, that we openly discuss. Comyu, Dracu-riot, Wish upon a star, Ayakashibito, IMHHW, Noble Works, Majikoi - and many others as well. Point is, there's no harm discussing/recommending the various works with loli content - just don't be creepy and/or explicit.

Come on, guys. We're all "perverts" in some way or another, because almost every popular 18+ VN include sex scenes with high school girls. I know, it's "ok" to show torture and death of children in movies and it's taboo to draw them without clothes, but don't start this "knight in shining armor" thing on the forum where people consider "Euphoria" as masterpiece.
For the suggestions, OP, you should try vns from Loose: https://vndb.org/v8435 or https://vndb.org/v18131. It's the best you can get from lolige in a term of plot.
The last one will get the official TL in maybe 2017-2018, so you have to wait.
 

This one https://vndb.org/v87 has coodere heroine. The TL is partial, but the route you're interested is included in English patch. Also, Yumiko from https://vndb.org/v5154 is the famous representative of such archetype.
 

We got the answers from yorhel himself. So, if anyone is interested in how much is needed to keep VNDB afloat, you can check it out https://vndb.org/t8438#10
 
 

There's one in https://vndb.org/v1660 (loli shinigami) and one in https://vndb.org/v751... sort of. In the latter you only get to know her well after completing all the other routes.

We got the answers from yorhel himself. So, if anyone is interested in how much is needed to keep VNDB afloat, you can check it out https://vndb.org/t8438#10
 
 

You need to make two clicks and go to homepage from here https://vndb.org/p162
Same with Denpa.
Sekai need people to sponsor themselves
 

I ended up making an account to be able to answer here after all. I'm the guy who answered the questions earlier, I'm part of the moderator team on VNDB.

Sekai Project has monetary issues, because according to their own comments on VNDB, they spend a good chunk of their income to financially help Japanese VN companies stay in business with donations and such.

Well, Wiki founder asks visiters to support the site from time to time, but it's not the case with VNDB. I've been using this database since 2012 and have never seen any requests about money.
Your topic gave me the motivation, so I made the thread. We'll see if it'll give us the answers, but I do not think that the main devs are ready to descend to us for such petty reason. Besides, it's clearly to me, that VNDB is funded by elfes. With neko ears. Who wants to ruin this magic story?

It's up to person to decide what is boring or lazy. But you can't build your statement on the technical details and general impressions only. Well, you can but it doesn't make it 100% valid. The House in Fata Morgana has one of the lowest production values I've ever seen but it's considered as masterpiece. I know, it's doujin but even I can make better backgrounds in Gimp. Were the authors lazy or maybe it's because of a tight budget?
You know there's a rumor, that "Grisaia no Kajitsu" was the "Final Fantasy project" for FW and basically saved them from the bankruptcy. Even if it's a lie, most of the VN's companies live in constant fear of failure. Key is no exception. Their engine is so old that Rewrite was lagging on my high-end laptop. But still the stories they create are engaging and colorfull most of the time.
And the last example. I'm currently playing Dracu-riot and can confirm the lack of CG. They reuse one scene again and again and have no sprites for supporting cast at all. Does it make the game mediocre? Or less funny?
Bait or not, I still believe the good game doesn't deserve such treatment. If someone has different opinion, he or she better shows us the real arguments.

Imai Asami aka Makise Kurisu from Steins Gate. A very long number of eroge with her VA:
https://vndb.org/s240
Also, she played a part in hentai OVAs:
https://myanimelist.net/anime/3050/Panchira_Teacher
But usually popular seyus don't involve themselves in eroge business at all. Too bad, otherwise Tokyo Babel would have become a masterpiece