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    What do you seek from VNs?

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted · Edited by visualnovelfan

    The obvious answer for most mediums is the story.

    But what do I seek in visual novels? An experience.

    An incredible experience with a great story, memorable music, high level of immersion, great characters, story that reaches out to you and your emotions. I want to feel like I am in the story.

    I did not read many visual novels so I can't say I can judge their quality well. But I did get such experiences in G - Senjou no Maou, Ever17 and in some other visual novels.

    But that is not a full answer. What I "seek" is not the only thing I find but it doesn't mean I don't appreciate it. There are many things we don't know that maybe we would have liked and want to seek.

    Learning things, experiencing new things, in different ways, different perspectives, different stories and emotions, things that are hard to describe but that weren't part of you,... There are many things one can find in visual novels.

    So,  I know some of the things I seek. But there are probably many things I don't know I want. That is also something that I probably seek.

    I would like a recommendation

    in Recommendations

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    2 hours ago, Nandemonai said:

    I second Kara no Shoujo and Cartagra.  I'd start with KnS, then do Cartagra, and then don't bother with KnS2, it's a landmine.  You should also try Persona 3 if you haven't.  Hotel Dusk is pretty good.  Koihime Musou has a great story.  Steins;Gate is amazing.  Can't believe nobody's recommended Demonbane yet (I second the other NitroPlus recommendations).  Root Double has some struggles with pacing issues, but is really good anyway.  I haven't gotten very far in it, but Gahkthun definitely sounds like it fits the bill.  And I know you said not to mention sequels, but you might not know these count: Persona 4 Arena, P4A Ultimax, and P4: Dancing All Night are all VN hybrids, believe it or not.

    And now my iffier recommendations.  This one's really old, meaning the translation is going to be sketchy; but I liked it a lot anyway: Eve Burst Error.  And you might want to check out Funbag Fantasy, it actually has a real plot.  I'm also going to give a qualified recommendation to Critical Point.  The story (meaning whodunit) actually changes based on what choices you make.  The true route is quite interesting, the others ... vary.  Soul Link has a terrible prologue, a kickass first half, and an okay second half - but it definitely fits your criteria.  Only problem is it's out of print.

    I also tried Persona 3. Persona 3 also had a very interesting start. It grabs your attention early in the game.

    Of course, when I say it has to grab my attention, I don't mean the story has to start immediately. I am willing to give it some time but not hours and hours of absolutely nothing story related.

    I didn't know that those Persona 4 Spinoffs were visual novels as well. Are they really worthy when compared to Persona 4 Golden, though?

    Root Double seems interesting. I really liked Ever17, so I would probably like it.

    I heard a lot about Gakthun but I don't really understand what it is about. What visual novel would you compare it to?

    I would like a recommendation

    in Recommendations

    Posted · Edited by visualnovelfan

    So, I noticed that I find it hard to get interested in some visual novels because they don't grab my attention from the start.

    I am not completely against slice of life but I find the story much more important. So, if at the beginning there is no story and it takes very long for the story to start, it probably won't grab my attention.

    I like visual novels with great stories. I prefer if they are serious but I don't mind some slice of life or comedy. The story should have an external problem (I don't mind if there are also other types of problems)

    I can't read visual novels in Japanese. I don't like if the gameplay is hard and it can't be skipped. I am not familiar with strategic and tactical games.

    Here are some visual novels I liked:

    G - Senjou no Maou (My favorite visual novel)

    Ever17

    Sharin no Kuni

    Grisaia no Kajitsu (The story doesn't really have much of an external problem until you choose the heroine though I guess there is some story from the beginning that keeps your attention)

    Symphonic Rain (I guess there is a lot of slice of life but there was story from the beginning and a very clear external problem)

    Comyu

    Toushin Toshi 2

    9 Persons, 9 Hours, 9 Doors

    Danganronpa and Danganronpa 2

    Phoenix Wright

    Fate Stay Night

    Persona 4 Golden

    I tried Rewrite, Eien no Aselia and Ayakashibito and they did not grab my attention. I also tried some other slice of life visual novels but they did not grab my attention.

    You don't have to recommend the sequels, Umineko or Muv Luv Alternative.

    Visual novel where you are in control

    in Recommendations

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    11 hours ago, Deep Blue said:

    True Remembrance, you are one of the few very people in the world with a particular ability, I can't say more or I will ruin you the plot

    G-senjou, same writer of sharin, you have a lot of power...kinda...but you do...not really....just read it :P

    Swan song, I cant say anything about this one you need to read it. (very dark vn but not just for the sake of being dark)

    I watched G-Senjou no Maou. I might try True Remembrance.

    10 hours ago, Kaguya said:

    Hmm... What about Utawarerumono- a mysterious masked man with amnesia is taken by a tribe and helps them out until tragedy hits and he becomes the village's leader, leading them and eventually conquering the whole of their world. 

    Another similar one would be Rose Guns Days- the protagonist changes by the season and some are underlings, but it's basically the story of how this night club becomes a mafia power and then a hyper-nationalist group, set in fictional japan after WW2, with the protagonists being the main figures in the group's history. 

    Other than that there's also Hanachirasu- the protagonist is the lover of the owner of a very influential group and he has her on his fingertips. Hanachirasu is a very poetic short story about revenge, though. Not sure it's what you're looking for. 

    Well, give them a try if you'd like.

    Utawarerumono might be interesting.

    7 hours ago, pual said:

    G-senjou and Sharin no Kuni are probably closest to that description, others you might try:

    Cross†Channel - Protagonist is a citizen with conformity coefficient of 80.
    euphoria - if you usually skip h-scenes don't play this one, there is story worth reading but they are part of it. There is mental domination and sort of cat & mouse game. 
    Grisaia no Kajitsu - generic school VN but sequel (in translation) might be interesting. Protagonist isn't regular student.

    I played all of them except Cross Channel. I don't really know what that means, is his level of conformity high or low? I assume low, if 100 is average.

    Visual novel where you are in control

    in Recommendations

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    31 minutes ago, spademan said:

    sharin no kuni, you are aiming to be one of the top leaders in society, and have to supervise criminals.

    also bunny black, you start off as a grunt and work your way to the top of your harem

    I already played Sharin no Kuni.

    Is the other one you mentioned good?

    It does not sound like something with a good story.

    Symphonic Rain Al Fine ending is canon

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    I thought about this recently.

    The ending Al Fine seemed the most convincing ending. I always assumed Al Fine is called that because Tortinita's surname is Al Fine. I had no idea what da Capo meant.

    And then I thought to myself, it probably has a different meaning.

    I checked and there is.

    1. to the end (a direction, as after a da capo or dal segno, to continue to fine, the indicated end).
     
    The fact that there are da capo and al fine proves that it was meant like that and not just Tortinita's surname.
     
    And the bonus ending is da capo ending, so it is not the real ending. Al Fine seems to be the only ending that goes to the end.
     
    In my opinion and considering the name which implies it is the end, the Al Fine ending is canon.

    Grisaia No Kijatsu - 3 days after Amanes good ending

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    15 hours ago, Decay said:

    And I disagree with that. See my earlier post in this thread. I guess I never get invested enough in the characters to feel like I'm losing anything when I move on to a route, even a true route. I still experienced those stories, and nothing about how I felt towards them at the time will change by reading a true route.

     

    15 hours ago, Decay said:

    Spoilers: None of it actually happened and they're all what-if scenarios, even the true routes.

     

    15 hours ago, nohman said:

     

    Sometimes the designation is just a reflection of the most well-thought out and best scenario in a game, other times it the foundation a sequel is built on?
    I think what Decay was trying to say was that it's all just stories, something being designated as a true route takes away absolutely nothing of value from another route. It's a mostly arbitrary designation from the perspective of solely enjoying a work for the contents of what it is.

    Aren't you overlooking that usually the true story is canon? You may enjoy other stories, what if scenarios or even fanfiction. But if it is not canon, it is much harder to use it as a proof in discussions. And in my opinion, thinking about it and discussing with others is often a part of an overall experience of some story. I agree that emotions you feel may not change but the idea that what you read or experienced is not canon may change some things. Also, the canon stories are more likely to get sequels or other content.

    Of course, most of the time you could say that all the stories are canon and that they happened in different universes. The true end would simply mean the canon story of the universe creator focused on.

    What is your opinion? What is your view on the importance of what is canon?

    Is 12Riven a good visual novel?

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    Posted

    I read the description for visual novel 12Riven. It seems very interesting. So I wonder, is it good. It seems to be from the people who made Ever17. I really liked Ever17.

     

    What kind of novel is 12Riven? Would you recommend it?

     

    And is it possible to play it? From what I understand it is translated but I am not sure if there are other things to be done.

    Show off your Writing!

    in Creative Corner

    Posted

    I've been working on a mystery novel. Inspired by Agatha Christie after reading a few of her works.

     

    I only submitted the prologue and first chapter. ~5000 word count.

     

    If you're interested in reading more, let me know. I've written up to three chapters. Total word count 15,017

     

    Please, any critism on the introductory pages would be very welcomed!

     

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxLlyhfxdTjAeXJhd0J6aTFBSEk/view?usp=sharing

     

     

    This is surprisingly good. I really like. At first I thought it was going to be just introduction of everyone but it really turned into something you can imagine.

     

    I like how the ending makes it feel that the main character doesn't feel well. But perhaps it made how the things went down slightly unclear.

     

    Who is Ken? You said there were 10 scientists and 3 crew members. Is Ken a crew member? Is captain included in the crew?

     

    Also, perhaps you could include more about the main character and the kind of person he is.

     

    But that is just my opinion. Well done.

    Visual novel where you are in a position of power

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    Posted

    I am looking for a Visual novel where you are in a position of some power. But you are not at the top and can't afford doing anything. So, you do have people who are superior to you but you are still not just an ordinary human.

     

    Well, position where you have certain privileges that allow you to do some things that other usual people are not allowed or can't do. By privileges I mean rights, not magic powers. Well, unless rights were about using magic.

     

    Example of this would be G - Senjou no Maou or Sharin no Kuni.

     

    Both characters have their superiors but have certain privileges themselves.

     

    Grisaia no Kajitsu would not be the best example because while you do have superiors, you do not have any rights over other characters.

    I am searching but I don't know what

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    I just finished playing Symphonic Rain. And now I feel like reading or playing a new Visual novel.

     

    But I don't know what kind of Visual novel I am currently searching for. I suppose the melancholy atmosphere in Symphonic Rain affected me.

     

    I suppose maybe for a Visual novel that puts conflict outside of main character's inner conflict. Or at least story, where inner conflict is not the only one. And that a story is not focused only on romance, I don't mind if it is present.

     

    I guess something with great plot. With smart protagonist. Not mecha. With good music. Probably with action, hopefully battle of wits.

     

    I already played G Senjou no Maou, Sharin no Kuni, Ever17, Fate Stay Night, Griasia no Kajitsu.

     

    I apologize for my style of writing. Especially if I sound depressed or tired.

     

    I hope for a great and serious story.

    VN's that can teach you something

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    Try Ever17, there are many new things you can learn.

     

    Sharin no Kuni might make you think about certain things.

     

    Symphonic Rain might teach you a few things.

     

    G Senjou no Maou is a great game and I am not sure whether it fits the criteria or not. It probably depends on what kind of person you are. It did change me somewhat.

    Symphonic Rain

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    So, I just finished Symphonic Rain. I really liked it but it left me wondering about some things.

     

    Warning, there are spoilers.

     

    I don't feel Phorni's ending is the real one. I am not really sure but is there a confirmed real ending?

     

    The most real ending to me feels Torta's best ending.

     

    But even so, the plot does not seem to answer all questions. And many things are left not unsolved.

     

    Which is the real ending?

    If it is either Phorni's or Torta's, that means that Fal and Grave are not dealt with. And they are free to do as they please.

    How does magic work, what is Phorni?

    What happens to Asino? Surely his character must have had some point.

    Why did Lise pretend it was raining?

    Was Fal really just using Chris?

    What was the point of Fal being mentioned to be orphaned by Grave? Why was Fal nice to Lise?

    What is Asino's motive? What is he trying to achieve? What was the point of Asino mentioning Grave in Phorni's route.

    Why didn't Chris realize he imagined rain in Phorni's route?

    Who is Chris really? Are there even more secrets about Chris than shown in Al Fine story?

    Is Arietta real? Were all routes just a dream and Chris is the one in coma?

     

    Am I missing something? Are there things suggested but not said in the story. Does story reveal some new or interesting things if you return to replaying previous paths?

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