firecat

Because YOU DIRTY FOREIGNERS  don't deserve the good vns and you SHOULD BE GRATEFUL for the few fan tls you get. If you beg hard enough MAYBE you will get one good official localization in 5 years.

So i'm seeing many newbie developers (yes that one guy who brag about getting past Steam greenlight), thinking steam is special, join steam, steam is everything, etc. The truth is, Steam is not special in any way shape or form.

Why? it's just another website to upload games. you do not get special treatment for uploading a game on steam, you just proven that you got a game build and had it uploaded to a website.
"Well i get downloads, more than any site", false you (the developer) worked hard to build an audience. Steam did not buy, offer, direct, users to your game. Everything you did for your game was done by you, the only thing you asking your fans in return is forcing them to download the steam app.

"i got news coverage from steam", again false. they choice to pick the games they want to cover, there are hundreds of games released each month. just having small coverage means you got something for people to play, steam doesn't force or buy reporters, every news media just wants a good game.

"i become popular in steam", false. it's your hard work that made it. your fans only know about the game, you has a developer only are recognized by a fans who want to know who you are as a human. unless you did something horrible (like fnaf, that youtuber, that guy who scam people on steam, etc) or something cool (like undertale, bloodborne/soul series, etc) that was all you.

"Steam is cool", ya if you like to spend days on end filing paperwork, releasing personal data to valve, bad support, forcing users to use steam app, doing extra work for achievements that gamejolt/xbox does for free, losing downloads because it's considered old game, and losing income by the day.

"i did get greenlight and upload it to steam", again it's just another website. greenlight cost $100 so you just lost $100 for a game that might not come out for the next 2 months or a year. that means if you dont get your game uploaded, you lose interest in news media, you lose income, you lose some of your fans attention, you lose credibility for not being smart and had it uploaded to another site like gamejolt or itch.io, your friends will never forget the mistake you did, and lastly you feel bad for no reason, peer pressure has taken over your life.

so remember, steam is not special, i dont want another thread posted saying "i got greenlight after 3 months", we all know why it took that long to upload. steam its just another website with people who want to play games, developers are directing users to steam. its your choice to fall into these childless day dream of becoming a star. life doesn't work that way and either does steam.

@everyone
this is not a customer viewpoint, think about game development. steam does have people but you can force them to download/buy your game, its no better than having a page on itch.io or gamejolt. also since steam requires greenlight you are losing time, your game could be playable for many people (its a sin to not release a good game because of some crazy vote rule). steam takes you way too serious for asking you to have a real bank account when you could use paypal on other sites.
just like i say, you cant force people to keep 24/7 news coverage on your game (well pay them but thats losing income and there are rules). if your game is just another game in steam then you just another game developer with many other game developers.
lastly, steam will do nothing for you. everything i can do is what steam already offers: 
upload a game? already can do that on itch.io, gamejolt, indiegamestore, google play
steamspy? already can do that on itch.io, gamejolt, google play but in a way more private way.
sell? already can do that with itch.io, google play, indiegamestore
discounts at your own free will? already can do that in itch.io, google play, indiegamestore
audience? developers are the ones that worked hard to build an audience, any website can do this. just because a platform is popular, doesnt mean games will be popular. (example: every vn in steam is never placed on the front page.)
upload mobile games? only itch.io, indiegamestore, google play/itune store, amazon, and (secret website that i have no idea or forgot but it does exist here).
 
also steam allows bad games and here are 10 examples:
Sakra Santa (admit its bad and we all know it) : http://store.steampowered.com/app/421700/
HuniePop (repeat your sin): http://store.steampowered.com/app/339800/
the 1 dollar 1 hour for bad steam games: 
 
its fun they say, its on steam they say, my greatest evidence on steam bad games: http://store.steampowered.com/app/353560/
a curator on many bad games: http://store.steampowered.com/curator/7048177-Worst-games-of-all-time/?appid=329950
this, i dont know: http://store.steampowered.com/app/27020/
its a AAA game it should work, nope: Batman Arkham Knight -> http://store.steampowered.com/app/208650/
remember this scam game on steam: Journey of the Light -> http://store.steampowered.com/app/371440/
it looked like a good game but...: http://store.steampowered.com/app/392050/
this link to many bad indie games: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=218344472
last and not least: http://store.steampowered.com/app/226700/
they all had a chance but fail, remember being popular means risking your credibility has a human being.

So i'm seeing many newbie developers (yes that one guy who brag about getting past Steam greenlight), thinking steam is special, join steam, steam is everything, etc. The truth is, Steam is not special in any way shape or form.

Why? it's just another website to upload games. you do not get special treatment for uploading a game on steam, you just proven that you got a game build and had it uploaded to a website.
"Well i get downloads, more than any site", false you (the developer) worked hard to build an audience. Steam did not buy, offer, direct, users to your game. Everything you did for your game was done by you, the only thing you asking your fans in return is forcing them to download the steam app.

"i got news coverage from steam", again false. they choice to pick the games they want to cover, there are hundreds of games released each month. just having small coverage means you got something for people to play, steam doesn't force or buy reporters, every news media just wants a good game.

"i become popular in steam", false. it's your hard work that made it. your fans only know about the game, you has a developer only are recognized by a fans who want to know who you are as a human. unless you did something horrible (like fnaf, that youtuber, that guy who scam people on steam, etc) or something cool (like undertale, bloodborne/soul series, etc) that was all you.

"Steam is cool", ya if you like to spend days on end filing paperwork, releasing personal data to valve, bad support, forcing users to use steam app, doing extra work for achievements that gamejolt/xbox does for free, losing downloads because it's considered old game, and losing income by the day.

"i did get greenlight and upload it to steam", again it's just another website. greenlight cost $100 so you just lost $100 for a game that might not come out for the next 2 months or a year. that means if you dont get your game uploaded, you lose interest in news media, you lose income, you lose some of your fans attention, you lose credibility for not being smart and had it uploaded to another site like gamejolt or itch.io, your friends will never forget the mistake you did, and lastly you feel bad for no reason, peer pressure has taken over your life.

so remember, steam is not special, i dont want another thread posted saying "i got greenlight after 3 months", we all know why it took that long to upload. steam its just another website with people who want to play games, developers are directing users to steam. its your choice to fall into these childless day dream of becoming a star. life doesn't work that way and either does steam.

+ international people = 100+ trillion.

lets try more dark...

proving that valve is evil.

proving that valve is evil.

in the most simple terms
main conclusion? valve is evil
the risk both developers and players face when using valve steam?
http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/
in legal terms
what i shown demonstrates what valve has place to keep making money and not favor the user/developer. Since valve is running a international business, this agreement has broken more than 6 countries that have laws to protect users/developers. AU, FR, USA, UK, JP (japan is still new but its a law nonetheless), and KR. On the developer contract we dont know anything about since valve has another agreement for developers.
lastly, what you must do to sell a game:
https://partner.steamgames.com/documentation/payment_info
steam has crazy talks, unlike any of you i do have experience in selling a game. also getting a game on amazon, what valve has offer is complete BS as this never happen in my time with both amazon and itch. the risk is real, from a IT point of view as you see there is many loopholes to gain access into the developers info. If you account got hacked too bad all games might get deleted and have to wait for valve to do something, if your bank account got hacked, you lose a way to gain money and steam doesn't want paypal,  if you develop outside the usa then expect lower income from bank fees, lastly you are stuck with steam only offering PC marketing nothing like mobile game can sell.
you to imply that a company should leave themselves legally vulnerable in order to be in good graces with their consumer:
no, they should do better to support consumers not make it worst. 80% of the agreement is fine but 10% of it is just pure evil, 10% is something they need to fix or add. this is a legal question thats too customise (its an actual bloody word) to talk about and only leads to nowhere but unlimitedly this agreement doesnt help the consumer at all. This happen on ebay, sprint, Bayer (the drug doesnt work), FIFA (They’ve been known to accept bribes. They have billions of dollars in reserve even though they’re supposed to be a non-profit organization), For-Profit Universities (long story short watch out for bad universities), and more. the only reason valve is target is because its the only platform that offer it, everyone else is download by website or download on our app and offer refunds if anything is bad, steam is steam only game with lock-on wallets to force users to use the money they spent.
Moving along, you then go on to say that Valve makes bad games...
R.I.P half life 3, R.I.P portal 3, R.I.P team fortress 3 we all want them but they just dont care.
 the expert admits that he is unfamiliar with the type of programming that Valve uses - dude its on your PC, it doesn't use one programing it uses several language which can cause problems. its the reason why you have to keep updating steam, its why many developers complain about importing it to steam, its the reason for the bug, and many other problems.
so ask yourself, when's valve even going to help people.
 
 

this guy explains it perfectly, he once worked in the IT development and like you also has played games that valve put out:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaiZKV2Quv0

well the main problem is not the games but valve, people still believe its better to lose game ownership then have the game able to run.
p.s someone fix this quote bug

other than cheating (they could at least update it like every mmo game i know), i do expect valve to at least do something creative with their games. i'm not saying add more maps or change the game that everyone knows, something better like the zombie version of the game and maybe more maps.

valves owns counter strike so they should at least be held responsible for it and on steam they are claiming that they made it: http://store.steampowered.com/app/730/
this happen: http://steamed.kotaku.com/valve-admits-controversial-counter-strike-changes-didnt-1748386942
then this: http://steamed.kotaku.com/counter-strike-player-takes-out-four-enemies-with-a-sin-1749343245
and lastly this: http://kotaku.com/counter-strike-champ-makes-cheating-teammates-life-a-li-1728785807

greenlight doesnt work, people have reported to have gotten greenlight free from publishers (or so called publishers), also your research is wrong:
fr version:
face it valve is evil, they are a cash cow and you fools are buying it.

valve has the power to not let users download steam app, not use personal information (paypal only would be better), treat developers nicely ($100 for greenlight is wrong), and stop breaking international laws (fr and au government are suing valve).
you only looking at the mask that valve has place in steam, if you look a little closer you see a monster.

now for the real question, do you trust valve with your information?
Developers are at risk of personal information being shown to the wrong person, players not able to fight valve agreement, and valve making bad games (if you ever played counter strike you know what i'm talking about). why use steam if you the player will never own the game? why do the developers free or profit are forced to share sensitive information? and why do you believe this error wont happen again?
just food for thought

oh and check your (C:) steam files hides in your system.
where to find it:

yep its called  security theater and its a real definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater
@Down - google it and deal with it

why yes this been covered many times other the years, your CC# are shown everywhere.
http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/articles/2013/07/10/how-credit-card-companies-spot-fraud-before-you-do?page=2
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92278323

i warn you about steam...

you did take into consideration that higher resolution sprites means longer downloads, not everyone has unlimited data or fast wifi.

my would be breavy and smarts, two great tranits that cant be beaten.

Now at first glance this seems bad, but isn't really just kinda annoying? Like many games, wouldn't it be incredibly easy to "game" the system. Like sharing several dozen pro-government posts to off-set a single anime import? I can also see a small group of people that dedicate themselves to raising their score and offering to friend other people to raise their score in turn for a small monthly payment. 
Like all things brand new this specific program will likely end in failure, but it is entirely possible that it will pave the way for something worse latter on. 

you forgetting that people that do not get anything interesting will just give up on following it. giving gifts will cost money, as history shown give people gifts and they will find a way to abuse it. this isnt about following a law, its about how much will people stand for it until they give up on it.

good news, its never going to work. the first game to ever do something like this is from google (yes they were trying). it was called ingress but people stop playing due to phone fees and just plain not worth it. if china wants to give people something it needs to be useful or else they just quit.