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Yeah I think in even regular eroges it would be good to see the guys visibly instead of a disembodied husk or some faceless horror.

In my experience talking to otome fans, absolutely there is a market. Everyone likes some good smut to an extent

So, just kind of piggy-backing (is that the right term?) off my previous thread, re: finding good +18 otome with good artwork... Is there a genuine interest for +18 otome games, with good art style and heavy, plotwise? I'm just going to come out and admit that yes, I AM working on an +18 otome game, but I'm only familiar with the Asian market and while otome games are a niche market, the +18 otome games are a niche within a niche, making me worry that I might be producing a product that ultimately will not have an audience in a English speaking market. So TLDR; would you play/buy an otome game with +18 elements?

Creature Romances because misery is a thing best shared Other than that Campus Notes: Forget Me Not turned out to be quite funny.

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The romantic subplot has finally culminated in the kiss: Credit: Red from Overly Sarcastic Productions

Chapter 2: Death In The City Members in this chapter: “Tch. Where did that little worm go?” VirginSmasher came to a halt as he scanned the area. The blazing sun made the asphalt below his feet feel like liquid magma, and the light from the sun reflected in the countless windows around him, making it even harder to spot his target. VirginSmasher had been one of the Fuwanovel members picked for the second week of the death game, and he had already been caught in a fight with another user. But, after a few minutes of battle, his opponent had fled, and VirginSmasher lost sight of him. “I was this close, too…” Kicking the ground in frustration, VirginSmasher made the asphalt below his feet explode into a million pieces, sending rubble and dust flying around the area. His powers were quite simple. His strength and agility had been increased tenfold, essentially making him a human wrecking ball. Problem was, the person he had been chasing had some kind of teleportation ability, making it impossible for VirginSmasher to land a hit. “Ugh… What’s with this arena though?” VirginSmasher looked up at the sky. He was standing in the centre of a massive city, in the middle of summer. It had to be at least thirty degrees in the sun, so all the moving around made him feel like he was melting. “Last week they got a nice and cool forest, yet we’re stuck in this hellhole. What a jok— Huh?!” Sensing something approaching from above, VirginSmasher sidestepped and turned to face whatever it was. Two arrows graced his throat, and slammed into the ground behind him, producing two large holes in the concrete. A thin trail of blood ran down VirginSmasher’s neck. Had he moved just a fraction of a second later, he’d be dead. “Heh. Looks like I got some new pray.” VirginSmasher said with a smile, as he looked up at his new opponent. “...” Sitting on the top of a nearby telephone pole was Alden_0023, pointing a strung bow at VirginSmasher. Alden wore a grey cloak, with a quiver on his back and a range of different throwing knives stuck to his belt. “I won’t miss a second time.” Alden stated in an indifferent tone, and before VirginSmasher could even move an inch, Alden sent another arrow towards his target. The arrow soared through the air with incredible velocity. VirginSmasher barely managed to react in time, slamming the arrow out of the air with his palm. The arrowtip dug into his hand, ripping through the flesh like it was butter. “Hmph!” Not bothered by the pain one bit, VirginSmasher slammed his right hand into the ground, and a large crack in the concrete moved towards the telephone pole, which started to collapse moments later. Alden leapt in the air, and after a graceful backlip, he reached for another two arrows, and fired them both at his target, before landing on another telephone pole about ten meters away from the previous one. This time VirginSmasher managed to dodge the arrows completely, and jumped towards his opponent. It was an impossible leap for a normal human. The ground below his foot cracked, and VirginSmasher’s body shot forward. In the air, he thrust his healthy hand towards Alden’s chest, then, before hitting his opponent, he twisted his arm sideways and opened his palm, producing a shockwave which pushed Alden off the telephone pole. “Kuh…” Alden groaned in pain, but still managed to fire another arrow at VirginSmasher before he landed on the ground. While the arrow did not hit VirginSmasher, it distracted him for long enough to keep him off Alden’s tail for another second. That second was all Alden needed. With incredible speed, he sprinted towards a nearby building, and jumped up on the wall. As if his feet were layered with glue, Alden ran straight up the wall, firing several arrows at VirginSmasher in the process. “Tch, the hell is with this guy?!” Dodging the arrows by a hair's breadth every time, VirginSmasher danced around on the ground below as the barrage of arrows rained down from above. “Guess I’m switching to long range attacks as well. Hmph!” Grabbing a nearby piece of rubble, VirginSmasher threw it up at Alden as hard as he could. The concrete block split up into several smaller pieces as it moved towards its target, smashing into the building with a loud bang. Broken glass and rubble fell towards the street below, as a large chunk of the building was torn apart from the impact. “Did I get him?” VirginSmasher squinted, trying to find Alden in the middle of the chaos. He soon spotted the shadow of a person rushing out from the rubble, and right after, several small objects flew towards him at great speeds. “Tch, more arrows?!” VirginSmasher prepared for another volley of arrows, but what was thrown at him was in fact just some rubble from the building. “Shit!” Realizing the attack was just a distraction, VirginSmasher spun around. “Got you.” Alden released the bowstring, and sent an arrow flying towards VirginSmasher’s exposed back. Although he did notice Alden’s trick in time for him to turn around, he did not manage to dodge the arrow, which dug into VirginSmasher’s chest. “Guaah!” VirginSmasher reached for the arrow, and snapped it in half. Then, he grabbed the arrowhead which was sticking out of his back, and ripped the arrow out of his torso. Meanwhile, Alden landed on the ground about twenty meters away. Although his physical abilities were heightened, he had still fallen about ten meters, so he needed a second to collect himself after the landing. “You little bastard!” VirginSmasher rushed towards Alden, filled with rage. The pain from the wound in his chest only fueled his anger. Putting all of his remaining strength into one last attack, VirginSmasher charged his enemy. “You don’t… give up, do you?” Scrambling to his feet, Alden reached for another arrow. While he had not been injured from the fall, it had knocked the air out of him, making it difficult for him to avoid VirginSmasher’s sudden charge. “Haah!” VirginSmasher lunged at Alden with everything he had. Alden barely managed to throw himself to the side, dropping his bow in the process. VirginSmasher’s hand collided with the wooden bow, smashing it into a million pieces. “Heh, what are you going to do now?” VirginSmasher spat out, as he watched the pieces of Alden’s weapon fall to the ground before him. “This.” A sharp pain spread through VirginSmasher’s body, as Alden seemingly threw something in his direction. “Huh…?” Looking down at his own body, he saw three throwing knives buried into his chest. “Well, fuck…” The world around VirginSmasher grew cloudy, but he did not collapse right away. “I’ll at least… take you with me…” Raising his trembling arm into the air, VirginSmasher tried to charge at Alden one last time, but before he could move, another set of throwing knives dug into his torso. “...” As the life left VirginSmasher’s body, he managed to flip off Alden before his dead body collided with the ground below. Meanwhile, on the top of the tallest building in the city: Two figures stood face to face on the roof of a skyscraper, located in the centre of town. They were too high up to see or hear the commotion happening below. “Heh, so you finally caught up to me, huh? I was hoping I could avoid fighting...” Mr Poltroon paused and eyed his opponent, adjusting one of his white gloves. “I’d especially like to avoid fighting you of all people.” With a wry smile, Mr Poltroon took a step back, moving towards the ledge of the skyscraper. “... Sorry.” Snapping his fingers, Kaguya created a force field around the roof, trapping the two of them inside. “*Sigh*... That’s what I thought. Well, I guess only one of us gets out of this thing.” Mr Poltroon tilted his head to the side, and smiled wryly once again. “I don’t suppose I could talk you out of this?” Kaguya didn’t respond, and instead brought his hands together. His entire figure was drowned in a bright white light, and the outline of a moon appeared above his head. "<蓬莱の薬>" <Hourai elixir> A small flask appeared in Kaguya’s hands, and he quickly brought it to his mouth, emptying the bottle in a second. Hourai elixir, also known as the elixir of life. Those who drinks from it are, in short, immortal for a set period of time. Even if Poltroon destroyed Kaguya’s body while he was under the effect of the potion, he would just regenerate. In other words, Poltroon had to stall until the potion wore off if he wanted to win. Summoning his trusty cane into his hands, Poltroon struck a cool pose and prepared for battle. “I suppose it would be rude to attack first, so I’ll wait for you, kind sir.” “You’re fighting with that?” Kaguya looked at Poltroon’s cane. “What, is it not to your liking? I find it quite dashing, personally.” Kaguya shook his head, and jumped towards Poltroon, and unleashed a flurry of punches at an impossible speed. Poltroon blocked each punch with the back of his cane, deflecting the attacks with ease. “Not bad. I expected nothing less from one of my underlings.” A smile spread across Kaguya’s face. It would not be such a short battle after all. Kaguya attacked again, but this time he conjured two blades of pure moonlight in his hands, slashing at Poltroon’s body. Still, Poltroon deflected the attacks with his cane. The blades did not leave a single scratch in the wood. Needless to say, it was no ordinary stick. With each attack Poltroon stopped, Kaguya unleashed another. Realizing he would eventually get hit if he didn’t do something, Poltroon leapt backwards, distancing himself from Kaguya. As Kaguya was about to give chase, Poltroon thrust the tip of his cane into the ground, creating four large circles before him. Kaguya was not sure what they were, but did not really care, because of his immortality. Even if it did end up hurting him, he’d just heal right back anyways. Ignoring the suspicious circles, Kaguya rushed towards Poltroon. The moment Kaguya’s foot grazed one of the circles, a powerful force puashed Kaguya’s body to the ground, pinning him down. A gravity trap. “Kuh… You think this will hold me?” Kaguya’s body started shaking, as he used everything he had to force himself onto his feet. With sluggish movements, he moved off the circle, and was released from the magic infused in the trap. “Guess it won’t be that simple.” Poltroon raised his cane, and prepared for another one of Kaguya’s onslaughts. The two moderators were caught in an intense fight for over twenty minutes. Kaguya was on the offensive the entire time, while Poltroon deflected most of the attacks coming his way. He did get a few hits in himself, too. But, each attack that hit Kaguya was useless as long as the elixir was in effect. The roof they were standing on had been all but destroyed, and the barrier kaguya had raised was long gone. “Haah, haah, haah…” “Haah… Haah…” The two were catching their breath, taking a short break from the intense fight. “It doesn’t look like I’ll be able to finish you like this.” Kaguya raised his arm above his head, and the sky above grew cloudy. Thick clouds moved in front of the sun, leaving the city covered in darkness. “I have to praise you for pushing me this far. But, this is where it ends.” “<満月>” <Full Moon> Kaguya started hovering above the ground, and slowly floated up into the sky. Above him, the clouds began to disperse, but the sun was nowhere in sight. In its place was the moon, dyed in an ominous shade of red. Large spheres of moon energy formed around Kaguya’s body, and with a snap of his fingers, Kaguya sent the spheres raining down onto Poltroon. “Hmph!” Poltroon knocked the first two out of the air, sending them crashing into the adjacent buildings. But, he could not stop them all. Eventually, one of the spheres hit Poltroon’s body, knocking him through the roof, hurling him down into the floor below. “Ouch…” Lifting his body up from the rubble, Poltroon tried to come up with a plan. If he didn’t do something, Kaguya would turn him into dust within a few minutes. Poltroon made his way towards a nearby window, where he had a clear view of Kaguya, who was sending more spheres into the building. Explosions erupted all around Poltroon. It was only a matter of time before one of them hit him. Looking up at Kaguya, then down towards the street below, Poltroon made up his mind. He had no choice but to flee. “Well, here goes nothing.” Poltroon brushed some rubble off his shoulder, then jumped forward, crashing through the window before him. Tumbling towards the asphalt below, Poltroon knocked down another sphere, which Kaguya shot after him. “Running, are we?” Kaguya gave chase, flying after Poltroon, sending several spheres towards him. Poltroon kept knocking them out of the air, as he approached the ground below. “I won’t let you get away.” Kaguya kept on firing sphere after sphere towards Poltroon. Meanwhile, the street below was growing closer and closer. The situation was dire. Even if Poltroon slowed his fall and landed safely, he would simply not be able to run away from Kaguya. In a desperate attempt to slow him down, Poltroon conjured several magic circles along the wall of the skyscraper beside them. Kaguya saw Poltroon’s trick coming, and easily avoided the traps by simply stopping his fall before he reached them, hovering about thirty meters above the ground. But what Kaguya did not expect was that the spheres he fired towards Poltroon were also affected by the traps. They were pulled in by the magical circle, and large explosions erupted all over the bottom part of the building, making the already damaged skyscraper collapse completely. Hundreds of tons of rubble, steel and glass tumbled towards the two moderators. Poltroon, who had somehow managed to brace his fall with a spell, just barely managed to move away from the rubble before it crashed into the ground. But, since Kaguya was thirty meters above, he did not have as much time, and the rubble pulled him down with it, pinning him below the massive pile of debris. Kaguya's immortality potion was still in effect, but even someone as strong as him would not be able to lift the hundreds of tons that rested on top of his body. Once the elixir’s effect ran out, he would be crushed to death by the rubble. “... Phew.” Mr Poltroon let out a sigh, and started to walk along the street, his entire body aching from the exhausting battle. As Kaguya’s power began to vanish, the clouds he had conjured dispersed completely, and the sun once again began to shine down on the city. A few minutes later, across town: Weiterfechten was walking through a back alley, lifting up his top hat as he wiped som sweat from his brow with the cuff of his victorian tuxedo. His attire did not exactly help against the scorching heat. He had seen a battle unfold a few blocks away some minutes ago, and chose to get away from them as quickly as he could, not wanting to be caught in the crossfire. While a battle between two members could mean a possible easy kill for him if he snuck up on them, it was apparent from a mile away that the two fighting were not normal members. Weiterfechten had fled as soon as the giant balls of energy began raining from the sky. “Hm?” Noticing something stir in the darkness a few meters in front of him, Weiterfechten came to a stop, and reached for his fencing sword, which was resting in a hilt over his left hip. “Who’s there?” A small girl walked out from the shadows of the dark alley, gazing at Weiterfechten with an emotionless expression. Had he not watched last week’s game, Weiterfechten might have thought of the little girl as a defenseless bystander. But, he knew better. He had seen the little girl stab her “ally” in the back in cold blood, laughing. “Funny I should run into you here, little girl. The person you killed last week happened to be a good friend of mine. I shall take this opportunity to avenge him.” Kiriririri opened her small hand, and a beautiful sword with a silver blade and a golden hilt appeared out of thin air. She then brought the blade behind her head, and took a swing at Weiterfechten, who quickly drew his own sword and blocked the attack. Despite being a little girl, she was strong. The impact of her attack made Weiterfechten take a step back, and a dull pain ran down his arm. She was no ordinary girl, that much was obvious. “初ノ型〈紫電〉” <First strike: Purple Lightning> Kiriririri whispered and closed her eyes. Then, her blade glowed in a purple light, and she cut at the place Weiterfechten had been standing. Being a skilled fencer, Weiterfechten jumped out of the way on instinct, which was smart of him, as a deep cut ran through the ground where he had been standing just moments before. The light that erupted from the girl’s sword looked like lava melting its way through steel, as steam rose from the cut in the ground. While the girl seemed to lack technical skills with her sword, she made up for it in brute strength. If Weiterfechten was going to win, he had to wait for the right opportunity, preferably right after the girl used one of her attacks. Testing her out a bit, Weiterfechten thrust his blade at the girl. Like he thought, she moved awkwardly, and barely managed to deflect his attack. But, as he tried to move in for another thrust, the girl’s blade began to glow once again, and she unleashed another purple ray of light from her sword. The light grazed Weiterfechten’s jacket, setting it on fire. He ripped off the jacket in a fluster, and threw it onto the ground. “Careful with that thing. You’ll poke someone’s eye out.” Weiterfechten pointed at Kiriririri’s sword. “You know, I really liked that jacket. Now I’m even more angrier.” Weiterfechten sent several precise attacks Kiriririri’s way, trying to prevent her from unleashing more of her pesky attacks. He focused on stabbing at her right side, forcing her to keep her dominant arm back, which in turn, meant she couldn’t raise her sword. “二ノ型〈流星〉” <Second strike - Meteor> Pushed back by Weiterfechten’s onslaught, Kiriririri whispered the name of a different attack. Thinking he’d be fine as long as she couldn’t use her sword, Weiterfechten kept pushing forward. Then… “Whoa!” Barely managing to notice before it was to late, Weiterfechten jumped awkwardly to the side, as a purple circle started forming around his legs. Right as he jumped out of the circle, a rock dyed in the same color as the circle crashed into the ground, digging about a meter into the dirt before it came to a stop. Thick smoke rose from the small crater, making Weiterfechten cover his mouth with his arm. “What the hell… Hm?” Looking at the girl again, Weiterfechten noticed that she was breathing heavier than before. While that could just have been because she was dodging his attacks, another idea popped into his mind. Could it be that the special attacks she was using tired her out? If that was the case, all he had to do was keep avoiding her strikes, and he should be able to land a killing blow. “Phew… Hmph!” After catching calming his own breathing, Weiterfechten stepped forward, once again resuming his attacks. Kiriririri did not even try to deflect his attacks with her sword, and dodged them the best she could instead. Although her movements were awkward, they were really fast, so landing a hit became quite challenging, even for someone as skilled as Weiterfechten. Her small build made the task even harder, as his target was much smaller than he was used to. Kiriririri suddenly took a step back, and her blade began to glow again. “Here it comes.” Weiterfechten thought to himself, and prepared for another one of Kiriririri’s attacks. Kiriririri brought her blade above her head, and sent the biggest ray of light yet flying towards Weiterfechten. It moved faster than the previous attacks, too, making it even harder to dodge. Moving out of its way by a hair’s breadth, Weiterfechten felt the heat of the purple light searing his skin as it rushed past him. “Guh…” Staggering for a second due to the incredible heat, Weiterfechten took a moment to regain his balance, then moved in for a counterattack while Kiriririri herself was recovering from the powerful attack. “Hmph!” Weiterfechten thrust his fencing sword towards the little girl’s chest. The blade moved towards Kiriririri at high speed, and for the first time in the entire fight, Kiriririri’s expression was filled with emotion, as her eyes shot open in fear. The sudden resistance of human flesh made Weiterfechten’s arm come to a halt. But, he had not hit the target he expected. Kiriririri had moved her left arm in front of the blade in the last second, and the tip of Weiterfechten’s sword had been stopped a few inches from Kiriririri’s body. Fresh blood ran down her arm, and her expression twisted in pain. Nevertheless, she raised her right arm high above her head, gripping the hilt of her sword firmly. 終ノ型〈天絶閃衝(ラスト・ パフェ)〉 <Final strike - The last Parfait > After she stated the attack’s ludicrous name, her blade lit up in a brilliant purple light, and Kiriririri cut at Weiterfechten’s body. Weiterfechten jumped back, letting go of his own sword, to at least avoid the attack, but it was no use. The glowing blade grew longer, like it was chasing him, and even though he jumped a good meter and a half back, the blade reached his body with ease, carving into his flesh, making fresh blood sprout from his chest. “Graaagh!” Letting out a primal scream, Weiterfechten collapsed. "Hehe." Kiriririri looked down at Weiterfechten's corpse, and chuckled. Wildcards This Week? Yes (A user has recieved a second life. Read details about wildcards here.) Dead This Week: Still Alive: Hope you enjoyed! See you again next week! (Let me know if you find any issues/ inconsistencies!)

The Best Eroge Ever is the only thing that comes to mind. It may be a bit too silly though.

Yyyyy... Anything more specific (about the friend and what you're looking for)? DDLC comes to mind as a pretty obvious choice. I also know a ton of good, free OELVNs but it depends whether you look for something serious-looking or cute fluff can work too. This is also a good option. Or something like Love at First Sight? Short, cute and weird.

I would focus more on telling the story you want to tell. If that story involves 18+ and it thematically makes sense, go for it. You don't want to shoehorn in 18+ just to have it.

Fixed that for you.

I'm rather shy, the only person who knows about my visual novel addiction is my boyfriend and some very long-term friends who I'm hanging out with for years.

Hi! I'm looking to play an 18+ otome game, preferably from Japan, with some sexual content, and good storyline/art, ala Otomate games or Mystic Messenger. Thanks in advance for the recs!

Incest is not a rare theme in visual novels – many titles, even very serious ones, have romance routes involving protagonist’s sibling in various different configurations, while nukige are full of taboo sex in every conceivable form, including that between family members. Still, this topic is very rarely done in a deep, compelling way, usually leading to a cliché conclusion like “we’re not blood-related after all, we can be together” or simply ignoring the deep social stigma connected to it and delivering an unconvincing happy ending. Even pieces of Japanese media that tried to get away from these tropes, like Oreimo, authors of which wanted to lead brother/sister romance to its logical conclusion, were cut short by the producers wary of negative reactions such story development could gather. Love Ribbon, a yuri visual novel developed by Razzart Visual and published on Steam in January 2017 is a rare exception to the trend I’ve described above – it not only offers a rather unusual sister/sister romance scenario, but also gives its full focus to the theme of an incestuous love affair and explores it in interesting and rather realistic ways. It’s also an example of OELVN that offers very explicit erotic content, but implements it as an optional feature that fits rather well with the story content, but isn’t in any way essential for experiencing it and doesn't affect the "SFW" version of the game in negative ways. Read the full article at evnchronicles.blogspot.com

So tomorrow I'm meeting with a close friend of mine and y'know, instead of the good ol' plan of watching a movie, we agreed to have some fun reading a VN and roleplaying some. Do you have any ideas of a short and hilarious VN? Thank you!

They did not, which leads to speculation this year being more difficult in a way.

I'm hoping for another AliceSoft announcement at the very least. Something like BBH maybe?

There are many characters I would gladly go lesbian for (Rikka, don't be sad about Suou, I'll make you feel better ), but I would have to find a proper gender-bending wizard first.

As long as the story is moving along, then I don't see it being too much reading. I often find some VNs too short though cutting out development and going straight to the result.

Some BxG H scenes from Girl perspectives * Grisaia no Meikyuu (1 Masturbation Station scenes only) * Swan Song (only one of the few vanilla ones) * Fashioning Little Miss Lonesome (all of them) * Cute Demon Crashers (all of them) * If My Heart Had Wings/KonoSora (like half of one)

Well, atleast I tried.

Dustmania Grotesque would be great. @Dergonu approves of it, so you know it's good. w

Hey, reading VN along with a friend is the only way to go for me, any VN becomes fun with two morons reading it at the same time! As for suggestions: - Dot Kareshi series is an otome that focus more in comedy (poking fun at RPG tropes) than romance; - Any short game with the "High Amount of Bad Endings" tag. Playing those without a guide is very fun, just try to reach the ending! (I tried an otome called "Monochrome Heaven", it's story is pretty shoujo cliché, but there's like five or six ways to die in the common route alone) - So bad it's good games like "John Cena's Sexy High School Adventure" or "Señor Volky McLupinstein and the League of Extraordinary Dentists" (I played this last one and my god that voice acting is gold)

This actually interest me greatly. And it's just as solidbatman said above, if you write the 18+ parts with care and to serve the plot, not simply shoehorning it in, by all means, do it! But if you want to do a story also fully revolving around the 18+ parts, that's okay for me too! Sometimes I have that feeling too. It would be cool to have more "by girls, for girls" VNs, without "trying to appeal to male readers too to sell more". There's some OELVNs that do a good job with this, and I'm thankful for that. Of course, I like those JP Otomes too, but something different once a while is surely refreshing. And, as the good and pure horny girl I am, I only ask to make the nude guys fully visible, it's only half the fun only showing the girl. K, thanks, bye!

Also, isn't the fact that there aren't many 18+ otomie games out there all the more reason to make one? (At least in English) Don't the best market leaders provide a product or a service that is currently underused or not in existence? What better way of standing out against the tide of visual novels that are out there. Especially if it's a VN of great quality.

Finished Risa x Miya and starting Nanami x Yuuna route. As for Risa x Miya route, in regard of this I would say that this time it's slightly better now that we knew what's our two heroines family situation like. I say this because if I recall, there's no much family talk in previous Sonohana except for Sonohana 2 (Sara and Kaede are cousins) and Sonohana 7 (Runa's sister leave her alone). As for the story, well it's usual Sonohana so it's mean that we only saw of how both of Risa and Miya approached each other, although this time it's more complicated compared to previous Sonohana because we have Risa angry at Miya who is always skip the school. Of course what follow is that at first both of them were quite distant to each other until Miya made advance to Risa, and Risa still don't know if Miya really love her until Christmas (Or perhaps Risa still try to deny her real feeling). At Christmas, finally they declared that they love each other and from there we have both couple flirt with each other. Compared to past Sonohana, I think the development for our main couple (Risa x Miya) was more complex if only was because they become the focus of the common route (And Risa being MC) for the most part, and the post Christmas scripts for them was slightly longer compared to one Sonohana VN, so I see that they put the effort for their first official release. As for the art, while I think both of Risa and Miya art is fine enough actually the couple from past 10 games was redrawn, and some people might find it awkward to see the new art style compared to the old one - Risa and Miya was not so awkward though because both of them were new characters and therefore need a new sprites. As for the setting, I think there's no enough explanation that Risa is half Japanese because I only hear her said that near the end of her route, and I only knew that she was half British from VNDB description. Other than that, I see that while I did call this Sonohana all star, at most Risa was only interact with both of Nanami and Sara although it's pretty reasonable though because only both of them were fellow 1st grade. I think that's all for what I can write in regard of Sonohana 11 for now.

It's such a simple question, but it's really hard to give an answer, because there is no single right answer. Every single answer usually includes "it depends on..." and one major factor is personal taste. The best answer I can give is to make the good parts long enough and the not so good parts as short as possible. If there is a section, which ends up being boring, it will take forever to get through and the risk of dropping the title increases significantly. It doesn't matter if the good parts are really long as long as they are good and worth reading. I don't think you should view the VN as a whole as too long or not. The issue is rather each scene. For each scene, possibly each line, you should ask yourself if what you are looking at will be interesting to read, if it has significance to the plot in the future, character buildup (as in reader gaining knowledge of personality) and so on. You should consider not using something where you have to say no to all those questions. Even if the section is interesting, you should consider if it could be done in 20 lines instead of 30 and if it would be better or worse for doing so. Your goal is to cut away as much as possible without removing anything good or needed. Perfection is not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. One thing people often complain about is way too long H scenes, but any suggestions to remove them aren't popular either. However somehow I get the feeling you aren't adding any, which is ok. It's a genre decision and some VNs are better for not including H scenes at all. Some of the really popular VNs have no H scenes at all and instead focuses on something completely different, such as a well written story with carefully fought out plot elements. One thing, which is fairly important when writing a VN instead of a book is that it doesn't go A to B. VNs usually have a number of choices, which either makes the story branch right away or answered are stored in flags to be used to branch later. In some cases both. There exist VNs without much branching and in some cases none at all. However proper branching is generally viewed as a good thing.

I see. Then it's good that I used double spoilers. I edited my previous post, just in case.

You're not at Episode 10, are you? In that case, you still have a long way to go.

No I think he was referring to Operation 21st. Operation Ouka comes much later.

I've been trained so that I no longer consider them genitals if there isn't mosaic. *Clephas eyes turn flat and dead briefly*

Not really.

If you are making a story with actions scenes, the more detail and description (and the more graphic) the better. If you are making a philosophical ramble, similar. Sci-fi and fantasy are also more tolerant of infodumps and extensive explanation of details. However, if you start going off on explanations of making coffee and cakes in an SOL story about a guy working as the owner of a cafe, then you are probably just going to irritate your readers unless you are a total genius at making it interesting. In that kind of case, you should restrict action descriptions to the 'bare bones', rather than going insane with it. You can get away with spending the equivalent of half a page on the making of a special tea or coffee in a novel, but in a VN, it is just irritating. As an example... Modesitt (the fantasy author who writes the Recluse and Imager series) is a genius at making relatively mundane tasks interesting. However, most people can't do that and shouldn't try. What is your area of mastery? Every writer has one. Mine is setting design and action (violent) scenes. However, I suck at slice-of-life, because it really isn't possible to make something interesting if you don't find it interesting. The key is figuring out how to translate your area of mastery from the novelized format to a VN format.

The limit of "too wordy" really depends of what you are writing, genres like sci-fi have much more tolerance in that aspect than SoL, the excess of words tends to be a problem to less skillful writers, but in the right hands and concepts could make a really good work. If you are uncertain, use the motto "less words, more meaning". In my opinion, a negative example of a wordy vn is Tsuki ni Yorisou Otome no Sahou 2, the phrases per se are already lengthy and there some random background info dumps that are totally fucked by how lengthy they are, resulting in a horrible flow to the history.

Pretty much this (assuming there are any good parts to get to :p). To be more specific though, I'm quite a patient reader after I get into a story, but if something bores me or bums me out it's usually long descriptions or overly-long, exaggerated internal monologues. The VN that bored me like no other Sweet Volley High, starts with 10 minutes of the protagonists thinking about how bored and average she is. The VN was consistently shit, but even a good one would have problems to salvage things after such an introduction. Everlasting Summer, generally a very good VN, have a solid 5 minute sequence of the protagonist freaking out after being inexplicably transported to the pioneer camp where the action takes place. After two minutes its really clear enough how he's feeling (and the fact he left behind a completely miserable, empty life really makes the whole thing even more annoying). Some people hate "pointless" slice-of-life interactions, I personally don't mind them, as long as they're decently written. The problem starts for me when the game stops flowing properly, like in the examples mentioned above.

Too much reading is any reading you have to do to "get to the good part/s"

Well for me I've noticed that my attention span is not what it used to be so I have a harder time staying engaged with a Visual Novel over it's slow parts. Right now I'm playing Aoishiro and while I'm liking quite a bit right now it spends far too much time focused on talking about food and obscure Japanese folklore than by advancing the plot. At this point it feels like I'm drowning in all these terms that I can barely understand and could care less about. Still I am really enjoying the visuals and characters and the story is interesting enough to hold my attention which I think is the most important thing.

Agreed- whether a VN is too long or too short depends pretty much entirely on the subject matter and how it is tackled. Saya no Uta wouldn't really work as a 30 hour VN but, say, Umineko wouldn't be the same if it were only 20 hours.

I usually read in periods of anywhere from 1 to 3 hours unless I'm completely invested in the story or vn in question in which case I can just read for hours on end. I've blazed through 50hr vns, on the flip side I've taken ages with 10hr ones simply because I wasn't into it. For me if it starts to feel "wordy" or "too long" it's because I'm not into it or don't find it interesting, otherwise I'm not likely to notice it because of how engrossed I am in the content.

If you do it in a style similar to Light, there is literally no reason not to use the NVL style and fill the entire screen with text, with the characters and CGs in the background. The one thing you need to do that you probably aren't used to is to firmly separate dialogue and narration lines. In addition 'he said/she said' is unnecessary. Dialogue boxes make that irrelevant. Rather, when narrating, you simply describe their body language or tone of voice to provide emphasis. Honestly, if your game is slice-of-life, you should avoid heavy narration like the plague. Slice-of-life stories just become interminable if you narrate it heavily. Also, adjust your dialogue to narration rate so that dialogue is at least somewhat more heavily favored than it would be if you were writing a novel. Some of your narration will inevitably be made less relevant by the use of sprite poses and expressions, necessitating somewhat less in the way of detail.

I read on average 4-5 hours per day when I read VNs. I still don't think that's too much compared to the 10 hours I used to spend on them.

Yeah visual novels have always known to be very long in in terms of length. For example, Fate Stay Night is more than 1 million words in length, which is more than twice the length of the Lord Of The Rings trilogy. This is why it can take much longer for people to finish a visual novel as compared to a standard novel. I used to frequently read standard novels a few years ago (when I was 13-15) and I could finish a trilogy within a day. Meanwhile, a very long visual novel which is over 50 hours in length will usually take me at least a week to complete, provided that I dedicate all my time to it (which is about 10-12 hours). If you are looking for a wordy vn, I think it would be Higurashi as it took me months to complete it (though to be fair, I didn't dedicate much time at one go in the earlier half of the game).

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when you read VN more than doing other things per day???

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Well, actually my average vote is just below 7, mostly because, just like @bakauchuujin said, I just don't finish most of the VNs that fall into 1-5 category according to my system, unless they are very short. 5 in my case is more or less a vote for a VN of absolutely average quality, which is something I wouldn't normally enjoy if there are better VNs out there.

That previous example was fairly subtle compared to how bad it can be. I can do much better than that. Nuff said: