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We host it because it remains popular. I mean hell, the "Appreciation Appreciation Thread" was allowed, among other silly G&C threads. I would appreciate it if you did not needlessly call out threads/people in public and instead kept that private by messaging a mod with your complaints.

What of people who lack any sufficient skillset necessary to make what would be in your opinion a meaningful contribution to Fuwanovel? Should they be cast aside or ostracized simply because they came to Fuwanovel for the sole purpose of sharing their love of Visual Novels and discussing various topics with others? "Fun is good, but it doesn't help." Why do you read VN's Maefdomn? Is it not because you enjoy doing so? Why do people frequent the games and chatter section of Fuwanovel? Is it not because they enjoy doing so? Most of us are here do not have the capability or will necessary to contribute Fuwanovel in a practical sense. Yet do we not contribute by simply being a fanbase? Something which is a product and aspect of the popularity of Visual Novels. We are here because we love VN's. We are here because we have found others that love VN"s and discovered a place where we can express our mutual fondness of VN's without being criticized or condemned for it. "I don't think Games&Chatter should be considered the dumpyard of fuwanovel and that everything should be allowed in it." One man's trash is another man's treasure. It is easy enough to call something that you personally don't like trash and worthless, but don't you feel somewhat wrong for attempting to use your own opinions to try and disregard and trample upon the opinions of others? If you don't like something personally isn't it better to just ignore it and not participate in it? Why do you feel the need to put down and demean others who do participate and enjoy the chatter section of Fuwa? Ren's thread was thoughtful and welcoming, but in it's current form I can't see your thread as being anything more than lashing out at things you deem to be not not useful or unnecessary,

I could perhaps sympathize with Maef if Fuwa was a place designed solely for the purpose of seriously working on VN translations, but it's not. It is a place for people who enjoy VN's to gather and share their enthusiasm for a similar hobby. "Making visual novels popular in the west". Reading VN's is in itself a leisurely activity and done for the purpose of personal enjoyment. To single out the Majikoi thread is simply whining because he deems it to be an eyesore, and this thread is soley made for him to whine and complain. The problem is that Fuwa is a community of individuals who are not like minded. Some people will like what you like and others will not. It isn't an issue it should be expected and accepted. Calling what other people enjoy doing worthless is a really closeminded and arrogant attitude to have. Since this thread was actually being discussed somewhere i found interessing to post the high points of the conversation

We get quite a number of people ask about the progress constantly, and always tell them. The only time I remember saying ti someone "please check the posts" was when someone demanded (not asked) a detailed explanation on the progress when it has been said a couple of posts above. Considering that what used to be anons are now registered users who enjoy the chat, and that in no way we are aggressive towards newcomers, I fail to see how the Majikoi thread demands any bravery from anyone. The critique would probably make more sense, too, if it didn't feel to all of us like a "I really dislike that thread, so screw it". If I saw a regular visitor of that thread making concerns, I would talk with him about them, but the posts here just give me that feeling I said.

I nominate Lucky for that crybaby/bullied younger brother/sister.

Here is what it comes down to everyone. The Fuwanovel staff is still working on finding a balance between letting people have fun, and being a place for constructive discussion. When Aaeru began Fuwanovel, I don't believe she ever expected it to become as big and as popular as it did, so many of the guidelines for the staff are pretty outdated. Fuwanovel should absolutely be a place where you have some fun. It isn't like there is all that much VN discussion to go around with how little the western market sees. That said, we really want to make sure topics are useful, and especially on topic without being derailed (as I've seen some complaints popping up about that). We don't want to become too strict and stifle what you guys have come to enjoy though. Because the staff has allowed everyone to become accustom to the old way of doing things here, it makes it difficult to change things up without upsetting a significant portion of the user base. The staff is still working on some changes to the rules and the way they moderate to hopefully remedy some of the complaints I'm seeing in this thread. For now though, please bear with the staff as the new system is ironed out and more specifics are drawn up. Just keep in mind though, Fuwanovel will not lose what makes it different from the rest of the VN community. Fuwanovel will remain a friendly, welcoming place to VN enthusiasts of all levels; from new to veteran. I want to think Maef for posting this thread despite the negative outlook of Fuwanovel. It has allowed the staff to get an insight into what the members actually think of the forums right now and will allow the staff to better draw up a new set of rules for moderation. I will now be closing this thread. If you still wish to discuss this thread, you may do so by messaging the staff and talking with them.

In what capacity does anyone have the right to judge the worth or merit of someone else's discussions so long as they abide by the rules? Regarding the Miyako thread the progress for the translation while not as detailed as some may like is available to see on the very first post of the thread. https://forums.fuwanovel.net/index.php?/topic/2060-majikoi-miyako-route-translation-aka-random-talk/#entry34008 If the progress wasn't there when you checked it last then it was because the translation group had not previously noted an ETA, but is it not simple enough to create a post to ask what the TL progress is if you can't be bothered to find it yourself? I can sympathize with you if your are upset that the Majikoi thread seemed to get a free pass for going off topic, but the decision to turn the thread into a random banter thread was the solution that was decided upon by the mods and the thread currently is in no way a detriment to Fuwanovel at all. Being moved to the games and chatter section your posts no longer count and it doesn't interfere with the rest of the forum in any way. To me it seems more of a case of I personally find this thread to be an eyesore kind of scenario.

The example and scenario I used was entirely rhetorical. It was a roundabout effort to explain why it isn't ok to go around bashing things that others enjoy simply because you don't. Regardless of whether or not yaoi is tolerated, Insulting and antagonizing others is still against forum rules isn't it? You also haven't offered a very good explanation for why the Miyako thread is a detriment to Fuwanovel other than the fact that you find it inconvenient and have a personal bias.

Thanks for the feedback- your points are fine, but I'll have to disagree on almost everything First off, about G&C- that is in fact the place where everything goes. As long as you don't go against our guidelines, you may talk about whatever worthless thing you want there- for more "serious and meaningful" discussions, there is GD. The need for the G&C subforum has already been discussed at length, and I think it's a necessary evil. If you think a particular thread there is legit, just send a report and tell that it should be in another forum. Personally, I think the core of fuwa is friendliness. We're actually growing a lot (there are like, 5 times more active users than there used to be when I joined) and our policies are being reviewed as we grow. Joining hands with other sites for more growth would be fine, but remember that fuwanovel tries to be different than the rest of the VN community, which is largely elitist and toxic. As we have conflicting viewpoints, getting a partnership with them is pretty hard. You were just talking about how to get more people in, but you must realize people enjoy different things. See my "what makes a thread interesting to you" thread, for example- there were people there who said they liked nonsensical, topicless threads where they can play around. G&C is currently serving for that purpose very well, so I think it'd actually be bad to remove it. Dropped Projects- Tay has been very busy lately, so he stopped his own projects. The chatbox thing was actually never approved in the first place. I talked to Steve about the Member of the Month thingy, and there were some pretty good reasons for that (though I won't be able to reproduce his argument right now. Perhaps he can do so, if he sees this thread). The main site isn't getting heavily updated because we lack a coder, but fear not, changes are coming, eventually. There was some talk about renovating the blog to put more interesting content there, for example. Well, great post. I love seeing members dedicate so much of their time to improving our community- Even though we disagree, the feedback is much appreciated.

And now I'm convinced. Wanko is the energetic sister everyone loves. Just like in the game!

Some parts of the anime are better than the VN (pretty much only VA), but aside from one or two episodes I didn't like the anime.

well for clannad both anime and VN are a masterpiece...

Sono Hanabira games 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,and 12

First things first, my personal opinion (not as a staff member) is that I agree with most of what maefdomn said in his two posts. Now to address a few things. *The abandon of the fuwa projects: this was not due to "internal drama". We all agreed on the direction we wanted to take, but we couldn't. Because of legal issues and issues with people outside the forum. A lot of shit happened really fast, and somehow at the end Fuwanovel still existed and everything went back as it was before - with no advancement made and Tay no longer able to take care of his projects for various reasons. I won't disclose more, it's personal stuff and it's a thing of the past - not interesting to dwell on it. Anyway, with the instigator of the projects unavailable and some motivation loss from the staff due to these events, things have stagnated. If there are people willing too, and with Tay being progressively back, there's no reason it will stay this way. *Lack of moderation, spam, G&C: we discussed this internally too already. The Fuwa policy have always been minimal moderation. If some of you think it's not enough, we'll think about it, but I don't think there's that much spam out of G&C (we'll pass on mistakes like the Majikoi thread growing out of proportion), and G&C will probably stay the way it is. Again, I personally agree with Maefdomn and there's no reason silly fun and serious discussion can't coexist in the same forum if they are in separated sub-forums. I think the essence of the post is "we have fun, why don't we do more than just that and also make interesting projects and have more constructed discussions".

Regarding moderation and rulesets versus random spam and thread derailing - such posts are often like those little yellow flowers, that grow on your lawn. One or two look nice and definately add to the atmosphere, but if you won't do something with them fast, soon there's going to be thousands of them growing everywhere around. Spam only attracts more spam; posts without any actual merit should be removed, since they are like cancer. I think these forums became way too lax in terms of moderation and rulesets. There's too much breeding ground for nonsense and when one does see he's allowed to post in a whimsical kind of fashion, others start to do it as well. I have nothing against "friendliness", but note that it does not always go along with being substantial on internet message boards; It's very easy to derail preety much anything. People should remember, there are no real friends in people you randomly meet over internet - only users, who share their interests. Getting overly friendly with everyone around often leads to dissaray. There's a big difference between being "open", "welcoming" and "matey", where people simply pat themselves on the back all the time. In that way, a lot of people sense that loose atmosphere and get the wrong impression they are allowed to do anything they want, while that shouldn't be the case. Forums like these should always try to remain neutral and it's the job of the moderation team to keep everything in order.

No, it's because the TL "team" is just a group of people doing it. There's no web of blog, there's no representative writting a weekly post that gets lost inside the spam. If you made a complete thread for the status, it would still be empty of content. The TL was going to be done completely and the patch released without a single informative post, but some info was given due to the people on the random thread being curious about it and newcomers asking. This is the difference, and this is what we tried to explain to maefdomn but didn't succeed. The randomness that is the eye of the complains is also the main reason some info is given about the project, because as random as the topics may be, it's still a group of fans supporting the translation, welcoming any new members, and giving out any information that's known.

Nothing stops anyone from simply asking for the progress, appart from the fact that the thread author already updated the first post for anyone who doesn't want to ask. Also, let us not lie to ourselves, noone unless the people who enjoy reading it, go through all the pages to look for the progress. Absolutely every person asking us for it, has stated they were asking cuz they couldn't bother with looking for it. And what did we do? We simply gave them the progress. And people has been glad that there's a thread with people still waiting on a daily basis for the Majikoi translation, instead of this being another Yandere or Wairu, where people just crossed their fingers hoping the project wasn't dead. And cuz I didn't explicitly say it before: we have had quite a bunch of people who simply logged in, asked for the progress, and were never seen again, so that people who just want the info, also get it.

You have earned a cookie sir.

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Sorry, didn't have enough time to answer yesterday. I'm pretty sure "kuse" means "peculiarity" in this case, so the whole sentence means something like "I should go with something safe for the first time", i.e. "something with low peculiarity". I presume he's making this tea for someone else, and trying to please the other party.

Saginomori-sensei:「これは共和制と呼ばれている制度でね、これに対し, は立憲君主制と政府は言っている。立憲君主制についてはライゼルグの反対といえばわかるかな？ This structure of government is called a republic, where as in contrast, Japan is known as a constitutional monarchy. Would someone be able to tell how a constitutional monarchy is different from in ライゼルグ? Fran:「法律によって定められた君主が存在する政治形態ですね」 It's a form of government where there exists a monarch established by the law.

Grisaia's Kazami Kazuki. It doesn't have to be incest (but hey, if it is then why the hell not). Kazami Yuuji and Kazuki both have intricate backstories and Kazuki is the heroine who has the most history with the main character. The chemistry between her and Yuuji as siblings and colleagues can go to any direction and carry any sort of haunting memories or unfinished business from the past. It could also be the most canon plot-relevant route of the entire saga. And Kazuki is the biggest badass ever put on visual novel. so why the hell not?

(it's Fanime not Famine btw) [edited topic title for you. "Anybody going to Famine this year?" -> "Anybody going to Fanime this year?"] I'm like near it (Fanime) but I'm not going cause i have work I'm going down to socal for A-X though. for like... 1 day lol (parents schedule conflict for the rest of the days~....)

I have no problem with the G+C, as the name of the subforum suggests it's just random talking so people should be expecting what they are getting into when they go there. When I was a newcomer to Fuwa I was pretty uncomfortable going through the Visual Novel talk and other main forums just because I didn't really know anyone. The place I posted most frequently was the True and False thread and because of that I got warmed up to the community and slowly started to become a regular member. I'm not sure if I'm an anomaly on that but it did help a lot. What I do not support is the derailing of topics in the more serious forums. I couldn't care less about the like system but I see no good reason to get rid of it because it's not really doing anything. These are just my thoughts on the matter, today is kind of an off day so I'm kind of having trouble writing down my thoughts, sorry if I'm a bit confusing. I may post something else when my head clears up.

Someone like me may never be able to meaningfully contribute to the cause of "Making Visual Novels Popular in the West". Or even have the desire to. I've never considered myself a 'leader', I have no desire to organize and run a major project. I don't know Japanese, so I can't translate text or anything. Could I learn? Sure, If I wanted to enough. But I don't. At the end of the day when I'm exhausted from work, I just want to do something which I find fun and relaxing like playing games, watching anime, and reading VNs. Writing a review would mean actually 100% completeing a VN, which I absolutely don't have the time to do, ever. That being said, a Sprite/Data extraction project sounds kind of cool, and I'd get involved in that if it was something I could do. dictionary.com defines "chatter" as "purposeless or foolish talk". That's pretty much what goes on in there. G&C isn't a productive corner of Fuwa. I don't think it was ever meant to be. But it's fun. Yeah, I shitpost a lot, but I've also discovered new VNs since joining, shared my thoughts on ones I've read, helped fund ones I've heard about from here, and so on. I guess I don't actually contribute something meaningful. But I enjoy and appreciate the things other people do here. Is that not good enough? I like the friendly/relaxed atmosphere, I wouldn't have joined without it. I don't see why Fuwanovel needs to be "less friendly" in order to be "more useful". I wouldn't even want to contribute to something like that. 1. Don't post in Games & Chatter. 2. Don't use the voting system. 3. Ignore the post count. One last thing: Are you anti-fun, sir? *throws 2 cents on the floor and struts out"

Link ^Contains all the info plus some fantastic artwork from the game. Short-ish quote describing the game if you don't want to check the link(you should ) Currently aiming at a Summer release. They are also bringing Agarest 2, but considering that they are now starting to bring non-Agarest stuff and it's a JP Wizardry like with goddamn THAC0 IMHO this eclipses it by far <333333333333

Not really the best way to start in my opinion. Sakura Trick is, in essence, fanservice yuri. I'd personally suggest something lighter for a start if you want to get into yuri. If you like moeblobs and cute girls then yuru yuri is a good start (that's where i started). It doesn't take itself too seriously and it doesn't try to shove yuri in your face all the time, it's just a cute show and a much lighter version of sakura trick. If you want serious yuri/shoujo ai something like Sasameki Koto would be my personal recommendation. But read the manga after since the anime doesn't adapt all of it (including the conclusion). Sakura Trick just displays girls kissing over and over with a bunch of moe elements. And although that's nice for some yuri obsessed fans, it's not the best way to get into yuri as it can be too much for some (some of those kisses can get quite awkward). Then again I don't know what you like. I personally love it because i love cuteness and yuri, but you might not. Just thought I'd give you my personal thoughts since the world of yuri is wonderful and I don't want someone turned off after watching only 1 anime. Though if you're okay with fanservice and a ton of kissing and like yuri then you're likely to enjoy it~ I know I did.

I've always considered our welcoming atmosphere an important selling point, and something that increases the amount of people drawn in after being exposed to the site. The idea here is that people who are just starting to try VNs out will come here, and really get into it. This enthusiasm then leads to word-of-mouth spread of VNs increasing (if infrequently) and increasing the total dedicated playerbase, which increases the amount of people that will either pay for localized VNs (alright, small percentage here most likely) or contribute to fan translations. Active recruitment is a good point. That said, grabbing users from other VN sites is meaningless - after all, they already know of VNs. Reaching out to anime communities and the like was actually something we once did on Facebook, but for reasons that's not happening right now. Main problem is getting someone trustworthy and motivated. That goes for any project, really. Regulations: essentially tighter moderation? We do already have decent modding of threads going off topic, though I guess it could be stepped up. Explicit rules, other than the kind of small core we already have... tend to go badly, to be honest G&C being dumpyard: every topic should still be monitored for uncivil behaviour, of course. However, having fun together creates bonds within a community. Admittedly, It's partly bad as new people may feel excluded. The other main good is that it keeps less serious topics away from the other discussion boards, and this is infinitely easier than strictly moderating threads and perhaps locking/deleting a lot of topics - which is going to piss people off, as well. On the whole I'd say it's good. I don't think you're providing enough reason as to why it is harmful. Isn't this line an oxymoron? Partnerships: We once had someone doing this on Facebook. For reasons, they are no longer doing it. Again, we need trustworthy and motivated persons. Review threads: how does this help bring more people to VNs? if anything, you want to encourage review blog posts on external blogs. Actually happening mostly due to MG and JAST these days, from what I can tell - sites don't want to cover unofficial patches, even for otherwise extremely popular stuff like CLANNAD (the anime being the popular part). Lexicon: how did that one go, anyway? One of the actually interesting projects, I admit. Was too lazy to contribute. Sprite/data extraction thread - start it. That said, the methods vary wildly from engine to engine, so this might be better served by threads asking for specific info in fan tl discussion. One possible method would be a pinned thread containing info on a wide variety of engines. You could probably steal a lot of it from other sites like TLWiki. Have to admit, if you're going that far it shouldn't be that hard to find the tools - maybe I'm overestimating people though. The rest is either >opinion or stuff already covered by motivated, trustworthy people (admittedly trustworthiness is less needed for the pinned threads, as mods can check content before approving it). Tl;dr either >opinions, stuff that would be good if people did it, and stuff that is currently pretty much impossible or ruled harmful by public or mod opinion. Pretty much the only takeaway for me is getting more projects going. It's unlikely to be me, but you're right in this.

I've been around here ever since Fuwanovel was even born. I lurked for ages afterwards before I resurfaced again and trust me, barely anything important changed and I doubt it ever will. Aaeru wanted to create a more newbie friendly community, dedicated towards visual novels and she kind of succeeded. Unfortunately, the sole fact of what Fuwanovel became is it's own limiting factor and nothing won't get past that without people themselves influencing some major changes within the community. Personally, I find threads like the whole G&C section, voting systems, post count and other fluff completely meaningless and distracting; I don't mind talking about certain medium related topics, like anime/manga/LN's or japanese popculture, but certain threads simply shouldn't be ever allowed to exist and get instantly purged when they surface. In fact, stuff like voting systems, membership levels etc. tend to be subjective and do everything except serving their actual purpose, not to mention they are often breeding grounds for various community-related issues and useless drama. Ask yourselves: do you like to share knowledge with others, because you feel it's the right thing to do - because you're doing it for yourselves, or because you're doing it only cause of other people around you? If it's the first one, there's no need to actually judge whether one person is more useful than another; it's actually unfair and insulting. Second choice always leads to massive circle-jerking and in the end, tends to hurt and leave deep scars within the community, changing it into something no sane person would ever want to be a part of. It's also a question whether people gather here just to feel secure and chit chat about eroge, or because actually they want to contribute something, share interesting stuff and work on visual novels, in one way or another. To be honest, Fuwanovel is the first and barely covers the second. It used to be slightly different in the beggining, but I guess that's one thing even Aeru didn't predicted; as communities grow bigger, they also tend to go more lax and lose their original goals or purpose, unless there's some sort of a control, which firmly, yet gently steers it into bright, open waters. I can't agree with statement that whole visual novel community remains toxic and elitist. Which part of it? How many of the sub-communities do you see? How many of them do you think we have? How many do you actually know? Visual novels were, are and will always remain a niche. You won't change that. It's not possible. Most propably, never. There are veterans around here as well and as much as I'd love to see vn's to flourish and become something more recognizable on the same level as - lets say - anime or manga are, I have to facepalm more often everytime when I see people trying so hard, you can sense the pain radiating from their very own pitiful existences. We arent doing anything for the internet, or people. We are always doing it for ourselves. World isn't interested in our vn's; they don't care about some shitty chinese porn games. At least, not yet so stop trying. Be more reasonable. Start working around the very own corners of the place you belong to. Perhaps, things will slowly change for the better as the time passes. They always do. It's not something you have any actual impact on, anyway. To be honest, people don't even talk that much about vn's anymore, either. Most discussions that happen are on personal, very subjective level and relate to trivial things which have no actual value, or "substance"; you rarely see anything objective and meaningful (as in, contributing) nowadays. To be honest, I'd rather wish to see Fuvanovel "less friendly", but more useful - both for people within and outside the community.

I've been enjoying Hitsugi no Chaika quite a bit . To be honest, shows based off light novels are usually quite meh so this was a pleasant surprise. A lot of the light novels' covers and illustrations were lewd but the show was surprisingly classy. Relatively so, at least. I really like Akari because she's a strong girl with no stereotypical big boobs or moeblob personality. It's so unfortunate that she still has the brother complex thing going on. Otherwise, it would've be a great step in an interesting direction . Oh and white Chaika for life B).

Without a coder, any sort of new project on the site was pretty much put on hold. That's the state we're in right now regarding that. This is also no secret to anyone so don't think I'm putting Fuwa's dark secrets here. But is trying to make the forum grow exponentially really a good thing? You have to consider the side effects too. There will be more unwanted visitors (AKA trolls) with a larger user base. That's something you can't avoid. And while growing is indeed the direction we want to head torwards, it needs to be done with caution because we don't want the forums to turn toxic. While I do see the help having affiliations brings, it can also bring unwanted stuff so it needs to be planned. But it would definitely be something to bring up as a project. I do like the projects you posted but ,like i said, without a coder, right now editing and adding stuff to the main site is complicated. At least that's as far as my knowledge of what's going on goes. I want to see the awards and memeber of the month thing coming back too. That would fix the "like" system problem you mentioned since it will award members what they deserve even if they don't have rep. However I don't think the like button is really an issue. You're saying people aren't rewarded for posting meaningful comments but for being funny but the reward is the respect from other members. For example I want to call out Clephas who always has very insightful stuff to say (in my opinion) and he doesn't have that much rep when compared to others. Despite him not having the most likes, people still come to him for insight. That's something that's not set by a like button. The like button is there if you like the content. It never said it has to be relevant content so I don't think there's any issue with the like button and it can stay there. However i do support some other forms of recognition. Regarding G&C i do see where you're coming from and there was already some heavy discussion about this some days ago and that's when G&C threads stopped appearing in the new content box. I believe this fixed the major issue which is "it's pushing down legit threads". Now I'm not saying it shouldn't be moderated and controlled, but G&C has always been somewhat of a lax forum and it's purpose was indeed to be kind of the dumpyard of threads that have no relevance and don't contribute to anything. I do think the appreciation thread and AMA thread thing should probably slow down (or end). That was a bad trend. But the purpose of any thread on G&C is on the same level which is near 0 so you can't say one thread is stupid and the other isn't simply because their level of purpose is pretty much the same. If something is legit then it goes on GD for relevant discussion. That's how it's supposed to be.

Watching Detroit Metal City Because why wouldn't I watch something with this title and cover. Just after hearing the OP it's clearly the most brutal thing I've watched. I expect great things in these 10 mins. Edit: Finished episode one. I feel like my lungs will come out if i laugh more than this. Seems like I have my schedule for the night filled. What a great find. Love confessions 101:

Granted, but they now start their fight for freedom. I wish this thread didn't die.

Osu!Osu welcome n hve fun enjoy a pun My grade in Marine Biology is below sea-level. Sharin no kuni is awesome, hope you enjoy it. Try Saya no uta if u like dark vn.

According to science, I came from my mother's womb. Though I recently came from reading a doujinshi.

1 word: wut?

Faruso, mai kyuutu igirisu izu kyuuta~ The next person talks to him/herself when nobody is around.

turu, amu asumo. the next person is jelly of my kiuto igirisu

Inoue from Rewrite, maybe? She's has a pretty cool scene in kotori's route and interesting rivalry with Akane.

Granted, you're gonna die an unavoidable death tomorrow. I wish I could find wall-e in the picture above.

Granted, because everyone moved to Mars I wish for a wishing well.

granted, but you can only be invisible when nobody is watching. I wish for a lifetime supply of doritos.

Granted, but as soon as you attract them, they become chicken. I wish that Key had more works out.

ITS AN IBN5100!